Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[MavsMan]

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murag kuwang man ang gibutang nimo sa rev 3:5 bro, mao man ni ang complete verse



bisan ug giblot out ang name sa Book of Life, still Jesus will confess them to the father, gireaffirm niya nga nabelong sila kay promise man gud na ni Jesus sa mga believers nga gijustify na sila...

i-confess lage ni Jesus if mka-overcome.. So dapat mka-overcome ta.

[rics zalved]

a true christian man pud is someone who perseveres, though molikoy gamay pero ang Ginoo ra man sad nahibalo kung giaccept ba jud niya si Jesus heartily..

1 John 2:19
King James Version (KJV)

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

carnal christians or someone claim they are Christians pero not seen by their fruits are not Christians in the first place, apil na diri ang mga lukewarm Christians pud, pero gitagaan na sila ug chance sa Ginoo kay patient ang Ginoo man sad nato tanan to repent..

[rics zalved]

i-confess lage ni Jesus if mka-overcome.. So dapat mka-overcome ta.

1 John 5:5
Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

actually sa rev 3:5 is obviously using a figure of speech called litotes, using negatives to affirm a positive,

so no true christians will ever be blotted out...i just learned lang ganina

sa later part sa revelations wala mam puy giingon na those blotted out kay malake of fire, instead those who are not written in the first place

[2nderemperror]

needs to work too..

according sa bible..

*lihok taw kay tabangan ko ikaw..
*patay ang pagtuo nga wala sa buhat..

same ra pud na sa example nga
naa ka sa building nga nasunog pero wala ka
nigawas kay confident raka nga maluwas ra ka..
wala ra ka nangitag paagi or ni aksyon para
maluwas ka..
so useless -_-)

[BetterPhilippines2015]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBnSrxzHy7E

[SioDenz]

There are atheist who do good works. So Atheist must have TRUE faith in Jesus and they must believe that Jesus is GOD.

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Yes they have the zeal and enthusiast to preach the Gospel.

Wrong analogy..

Ang subject ang CAUSE NOT the effect. If Duna kay FAITH, Mu epekto or makita sa imung buhat. Not the other way around. Dont reverse the sentence kay mulahi ang idea

Like if Naay FIRE - ang effect dunay HEAT. Fire => HEAT. Pero ang FIRE raba ang Source sa heat? DILI.
So if imu Balihun ang Sentence malahi ang meaning.

HEAT => FIRE is NOT the same as FIRE => HEAT. kay Dili raman FIRE ang Cause sa HEAT PERO ang Fire will Generally always maka Create ug HEAT.

[desiderata]

needs to work too..

according sa bible..

*lihok taw kay tabangan ko ikaw..
*patay ang pagtuo nga wala sa buhat..

same ra pud na sa example nga
naa ka sa building nga nasunog pero wala ka
nigawas kay confident raka nga maluwas ra ka..
wala ra ka nangitag paagi or ni aksyon para
maluwas ka..
so useless -_-)

I agree. Faith + works intawn uy. I mean, if you are truly moved by faith, it will show in your actions. Because faith naturally moves one to act.

"The fruit of prayer is faith, the fruit of faith is love, the fruit of love is service and the fruit of service is peace" - Mother Teresa.

Nag base ko sa quote ni Mother Teresa kay she is one of those people nga ni exemplify jud ug usa ka God-centered life nga naka benepisyo ug daghang tawo.

Also, if you can notice, wala ang Book of James sa Protestant version nga Bible kay wa kauyon/wa ganahi si Luther anang "faith + works" nga idea. Kay di man mo fit sa iya understanding/idea of what one's faith/spirituality should be like. Be careful sad oi sa originator anang mga idea nga "sola fide", tan awa pod ila kinabuhi if maayo ba pod ang dagan. The life of the person will speak for itself.

[MavsMan]

Also, if you can notice, wala ang Book of James sa Protestant version nga Bible kay wa kauyon/wa ganahi si Luther anang "faith + works" nga idea. Kay di man mo fit sa iya understanding/idea of what one's faith/spirituality should be like. Be careful sad oi sa originator anang mga idea nga "sola fide", tan awa pod ila kinabuhi if maayo ba pod ang dagan. The life of the person will speak for itself.

Kinsay nag-ingun nimu nga wala ang Book of James sa bible sa Protestant? Naa kaayu ui! , and by the way wala nay protestant run.. siguro evangeilcal nlng guro. Kanang protestant kay gigamit na na word sa una tungod kay nag-protest si Martin Luther tungod sa wrong doctrines sa Vatican.

[desiderata]

Kinsay nag-ingun nimu nga wala ang Book of James sa bible sa Protestant? Naa kaayu ui! , and by the way wala nay protestant run.. siguro evangeilcal nlng guro. Kanang protestant kay gigamit na na word sa una tungod kay nag-protest si Martin Luther tungod sa wrong doctrines sa Vatican.

Maayo! Pardon my ignorance, di na ko updated

I heard others say nga the term "Protestant" is a "blanket term" used for those nga dili sa Catholic faith daw. Murag general term. Kay nagsugod man gud kang Luther nga ni "protest" sa Vatican. Then nag anak anak iya initial movement into other branches etc., even those nga di "Lutheran". Mura bag "understood" nga any nga dili mo identify with the Catholic faith is part of the "protestant" movement.

[MavsMan]

a true christian man pud is someone who perseveres, though molikoy gamay pero ang Ginoo ra man sad nahibalo kung giaccept ba jud niya si Jesus heartily..



carnal christians or someone claim they are Christians pero not seen by their fruits are not Christians in the first place, apil na diri ang mga lukewarm Christians pud, pero gitagaan na sila ug chance sa Ginoo kay patient ang Ginoo man sad nato tanan to repent..

1 John 2:19, which refers to people who did not believe Jesus was the Christ, as shown in 1 John 2:22:

Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.

Yes carnal minds are not Christians because it is enmity against God. Rom 8:6-7 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.