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[M.A.D.]

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If he just asked then nothing wrong with that. But if he forces that on them that would be very costly on the part of the US. Africa is the buyer here, choosing between US and China. China offers better terms so they might as well go with China. US? Well they have AFRICOM LOL.

Hmm... read my latest post about the part that talks about africa. And about libya, those terrrorists or what not where just a natural reaction to US intervention in Libya and Libya produces light, sweet crude which is superior to most heavy, sulfur-rich sour crude oil. Light, sweet crude oil is so fine already that once it goes out of the well you only need to refine it with little effort or sometimes you can directly use it in your internal combustion engine! That is why light sweet crude oil is so expensive because it is so easy to process and it has the least amount of impurities of all types of crude oil. And the rest is history.

For the MNLF, it was just a reaction to US imperialism. Unfortunately we the philippines are caught in the cross fire.

I am reacting to your post that "Obama chooses to bring his pro-gay advocacy to other nations such as africa." As I said, Obama just asked African nations to decriminalize homosexuality. What is wrong with that? Being jailed and beaten up because you are gay is just plain immoral.

IMHO, it is not right for a country to look another way if a crime is being committed on a massive scale. The U.S. has the moral obligation to stop atrocities from being committed being in the position to do so. Sadly, after the debacle in Mogadishu, the U.S. did not step to stop in the quagmire in Rwanda because the public would not support it.

It clearly made a mistake in Iraq but it was the religious conservatives in the Bush administration's fault. But everybody knows that Libya used to sponsor the MNLF and numerous other organizations, when they were still engaged in terrorism.


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Read my earlier post. And it is not any countries right to interfere in how they run their governments. Please look at the track record of america, they said Iraq was harboring WMDs, libya was financing terrorists, etc. but in the end it was all about their interests.

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[pak88]

Criminalizing homosexuality is just plain wrong and for the U.S. to look the other way is as immoral as putting Jews in concentration camps. BTW, Hitler also deemed homosexuals as undesirables with no place in his Aryan society.

I don't know where you got the impression that the MNLF was a reaction to US imperialism. The MNLF was founded to achieve independence from the Philippines. How it relate to US imperialism is beyond me.

If he just asked then nothing wrong with that. But if he forces that on them that would be very costly on the part of the US. Africa is the buyer here, choosing between US and China. China offers better terms so they might as well go with China. US? Well they have AFRICOM LOL.

For the MNLF, it was just a reaction to US imperialism. Unfortunately we the philippines are caught in the cross fire.

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[M.A.D.]

I know it is wrong but you just can't force it on other people who grew up not knowing and it is difficult to indoctrinate them those beliefs. How do you expect to do business with them when you meddle in their culture? They can simply go to china since china has more cash and gives better terms. Think for once and consider this, the US is the loser here because their influence is no longer as potent as it was before so they must know how to play their cards. Even Russia did not give in to their demands to give them Snowden.

For MNLF, it was funded by libya and the US. President Clinton talked with Erap on his all-out war campaign to rid mindanao of the muslim insurgents but Erap did not listen that's why he was demonized and eventually ousted from office because the US had interests in MNLF(which I think may be selling arms to them).

Anyway I won't reply anymore we are getting out of bounds here. Again, sorry mods.

Criminalizing homosexuality is just plain wrong and for the U.S. to look the other way is as immoral as putting Jews in concentration camps. BTW, Hitler also deemed homosexuals as undesirables with no place in his Aryan society.

I don't know where you got the impression that the MNLF was a reaction to US imperialism. The MNLF was founded to achieve independence from the Philippines. How it relate to US imperialism is beyond me.

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[bleedingboi]

Criminalizing homosexuality is just plain wrong and for the U.S. to look the other way is as immoral as putting Jews in concentration camps. BTW, Hitler also deemed homosexuals as undesirables with no place in his Aryan society.

I don't know where you got the impression that the MNLF was a reaction to US imperialism. The MNLF was founded to achieve independence from the Philippines. How it relate to US imperialism is beyond me.

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The same way on how you relate the Holocaust to "plain rejection on Gay marriages".

The holocaust if categorized, was like a Category 10 atrocity. It was the gravest of all crimes against humanity. It was engineered with pure evil intent.

Now, adto ta sa pikas na bahin. If someone says "I don't like two men getting married in my town"

Why would you call them immoral? Branding them like Hitler?. Typical LGBT non-sense.

[pak88]

I'm sorry but I must correct your statements here. I do not know where you got your comment on Clinton asking Estrada regarding MNLF. The logic is so far-fetched since a U.S. president spend time on selling arms to a terrorist organization, if ever it was true. The U.S. sells billions in arms to Saudi, Pakistan, Israel etc. and you're saying Clinton would have to stoop that low to sell several rifles and bullets to the MNLF?

It is wrong to force people in your know morality on other people, but using that same logic, do you think it was wrong for western countries to force South Africa from its apartheid policy? As Spiderman said -- with great power comes great responsibility.

I know it is wrong but you just can't force it on other people who grew up not knowing and it is difficult to indoctrinate them those beliefs. How do you expect to do business with them when you meddle in their culture? They can simply go to china since china has more cash and gives better terms. Think for once and consider this, the US is the loser here because their influence is no longer as potent as it was before so they must know how to play their cards. Even Russia did not give in to their demands to give them Snowden.

For MNLF, it was funded by libya and the US. President Clinton talked with Erap on his all-out war campaign to rid mindanao of the muslim insurgents but Erap did not listen that's why he was demonized and eventually ousted from office because the US had interests in MNLF(which I think may be selling arms to them).

Anyway I won't reply anymore we are getting out of bounds here. Again, sorry mods.

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[M.A.D.]

This is my last reply and I won't say anything anymore.

He knows precisely what to do and does it without hesitation. We will never forget how he almost crushed into oblivion the rebellion in the south. When former US President Bill Clinton and the bishops led by Cardinal Sin thought he was stubborn in refusing to call off the war in the south or was adamant in rejecting requests for government guarantees on foreign projects, his political will was at its best. Flak hit him all over by the elite groups that wanted him out when he started being true to his adage, “Erap para sa mahirap” when, despite the political costs he obstructed the plans to increase the rates of water and electricity and even pulled down the fare costs of the LRT to the consternation of the stakeholders.

Erap

I'm sorry but I must correct your statements here. I do not know where you got your comment on Clinton asking Estrada regarding MNLF. The logic is so far-fetched since a U.S. president spend time on selling arms to a terrorist organization, if ever it was true. The U.S. sells billions in arms to Saudi, Pakistan, Israel etc. and you're saying Clinton would have to stoop that low to sell several rifles and bullets to the MNLF?

It is wrong to force people in your know morality on other people, but using that same logic, do you think it was wrong for western countries to force South Africa from its apartheid policy? As Spiderman said -- with great power comes great responsibility.

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[pak88]

Ang gisulti nako na immoral kay ang pag criminalize sa homosexuality. Why put people in jail for what they are doing in their spare time? What they do is none of my business.

I did not call immoral ang opposition sa gay marriage.


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The same way on how you relate the Holocaust to "plain rejection on Gay marriages".

The holocaust if categorized, was like a Category 10 atrocity. It was the gravest of all crimes against humanity. It was engineered with pure evil intent.

Now, adto ta sa pikas na bahin. If someone says "I don't like two men getting married in my town"

Why would you call them immoral? Branding them like Hitler?. Typical LGBT non-sense.[/QUOTE]

[pak88]

This looks like an introduction written by Erap's speechwriters with dubious credibility and then expanded to claim that Clinton was protecting U.S. arms sales to the MNLF. Good thing Cardinal Sin was not in on the "arms sales" or maybe he was.


"He knows precisely what to do and does it without hesitation. We will never forget how he almost crushed into oblivion the rebellion in the south. When former US President Bill Clinton and the bishops led by Cardinal Sin thought he was stubborn in refusing to call off the war in the south or was adamant in rejecting requests for government guarantees on foreign projects, his political will was at its best. Flak hit him all over by the elite groups that wanted him out when he started being true to his adage, “Erap para sa mahirap” when, despite the political costs he obstructed the plans to increase the rates of water and electricity and even pulled down the fare costs of the LRT to the consternation of the stakeholders.

Erap"

[bleedingboi]

Ang gisulti nako na immoral kay ang pag criminalize sa homosexuality. Why put people in jail for what they are doing in their spare time? What they do is none of my business.

I did not call immoral ang opposition sa gay marriage.

Well, I cannot recall any 21st Century democratic state would imprison someone just for their sexuality unless of course naay sexual misconduct like two gay men kissing in front of a kindergarten school.

The statement you brought up, is seemingly describing Iran or Saudi Arabia. Not USA, Canada, RP or any democratic European state.

[pak88]

Believe it or not it exists, this is what Obama spoke against in Africa
In reversal, Catholic Church backs ‘Kill the Gays’ bill? | 76 CRIMES

I thought the Catholic Church was pro-life, even defending the right to life of hardened criminals and the unborn even it meant killing the mother? I am not pro-gay or anything but that is so #%&@ed up.


[/QUOTE]Well, I cannot recall any 21st Century democratic state would imprison someone just for their sexuality unless of course naay sexual misconduct like two gay men kissing in front of a kindergarten school.

The statement you brought up, is seemingly describing Iran or Saudi Arabia. Not USA, Canada, RP or any democratic European state.[/QUOTE]