Is Evolutionist Science worth believing?

[Sinyalan]

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dodong, i can. and i don't deny that my belief of the existence of GOD is by faith. e ikaw dodong? science? so where is your scientific evidence on evolution? ah, unsa to ingon nimo....... muscles. bones, nervous system, blood supply, anatomy, physiology are all science! absolutely yes dodong but I have bad news for you dodong, these are not evidence of evolution. kataw-anan ka sir.

Not evidence of evolution? WRONG AGAIN.
Kung kahibaw ka mobasa ho chia… READ.

wala kay ebidinsya kay religion man dodong. mao walay ebidencya. hilabi na ikaw dodong. you have such a hard time getting it in your system.

If you think evolution is religion… CAN YOU PROVE IT? Naa pod kay ebidensya nga ang evolution is religion or based on faith and beliefs? That’s your definition of creationism pre not evolution. Ug naa kay ikahatag, PROVE DAYUN!

creationist brain that we all came from dust? common dodong, you believe that we all came from dirt and by miracles of miracles we came about. so tell me isn't it as fairy tale as coming from a dust? what's the difference, we from dust, you from dirt! see now? evolution is not science it is a religion and your hooked to it and i don't mind, you have the right to your own belief!

You’re running circles here ho chia, if you think that evolution is religion as you have said that millionth times already… can you prove that IT IS ACTUALLY RELIGION? Your creationism is religion not evolution. See the difference?

what is there to learn from you? you haven't posted anything substantial and scientific to prove your argument, none, zero! i know the law of science, physics, mathemetics, that's why i object to your evolution as science because it defied a lot of scientific facts for it to stand!

I said if you can’t then read other publications or go to your local library. Besides, you can’t even prove your creation as scientific. Hahahahaha… dahum man ka pre. You defied because your close-mind is dictated by your faith, belief and religion. And you say you know the law of science? Pfftt… you don’t know squat. Your science is based on your biblical beliefs… more like illusionary than scientific.

yah go and research, precisely I am questioning your evolution because i learned it and found it to be fraudulent just like ernst heackle, remember him? you're the inferior evolutionary manifestation of him, if there is such thing..

Didn’t I mention everything that pertains to evolution? You’re only looking one specific area… looking for fraudulent mao na nga your keen to look for mistakes not weighing things correctly… I think you didn’t weigh them ho chia. Too, naïve I conclude. Here you think I am inferior manifestation of earnst… salamat pre, at least I am considered one of the great minds and contributor to the world of science. Unlike you, you will never be greater because you’re religion and faith puts you down to same spot. You will always be a made by your god magically… skip your parents. Hahahahaha…

hahaha. and evolution talks about anatomy, muscles and organ systems? such a cheap shot!

Hahahaha… cheap shot? I guess you can’t answer that ho chia. Sige kuno beh if you know the law of science and describe what human anatomy leads you to? Again, you haven’t answered my question yet… you’re trying to get away from it. C’mon ho chia, show me a full chapter in the bible that talks about human anatomy.

My little brain speaks of ignorance? hahaha. lets see what your brain teaches us:

let me remind you of what you said:
Ungoy kaon saging, tao kaun saging therefore tao ungoy. hahaha! cheap shot
ungoy kaon kuto unya kay ungoy mang ka kaon sab ka koto?

you're no evolutionist! you haven't said a single science ever!

Ho chia, ayaw pagbinugo pre. Your “dusty” brain drowns you to think of dirty stuff… think hard ho chia, mokaon kaha ka ug kuto? I mean that’s nonsense. I told you and your cohort (rcruman) that we evolve from sophisticated animal… we don’t eat dirty stuff, heck we don’t even eat flesh animal meat. Unless you are that dirty and cannibalistic then I gave that to you. But again, you failed to see the logic.
And you think you’re creationist also? Hahahahaha… can’t even prove magic man gani, or even your god that exists. You can continue your beliefs ho chia because that’s the only place you’re going to be… nowhere else.

[tripwire]

Hala oi, taas na man ning discussion diri. More like personal attacks than point of views. Not to step on everyone foot here but what is really wrong about evolution in the first place? To be honest, I too, is a believer of evolution. It maybe a theory but science gave us alternative understanding what and where humans really made of. In my years of Nursing, you can see evolution infront. The change, the stratum or branches of our evolved mechanisms tells us that science indeed offers a good understanding. Adam and Eve stories were good and there was nothing wrong with that story because to my views, there was no direct distinction of their existence basta lang the book tells us it was created by God. That's fine. But what science explained a single cell also have DNA structures... so as all animals. An even bacterium has one. Given time - I mean billions of time - change occurred. It was a very very slow process but that process science observed that patiently.

I watched a NatGeo episode last night about volcanoes from the deep (or something like that), and there are crustacean family lived there and you what food they eat, bacteria and that bacteria lived side by side with sulfuric acid. From shrimps, they evolved to a different set of family because the bacteria they eat has DNA structures that's similar to ours - creates a new form of DNA. Just like when you contracted by simple flu, from person to person the bacteria evolves. Illustrations like this. A person who got a flu... let's name it Bacteria A and after few day within the body of person A cultivates an immune system. Person A is cured but the bacteria A is now evolved - Person B get's the bacteria A. Stays in the body for few days BUT the bacteria A is adopting another immune system. Now that bacteria has two sets of immune system. Bacteria A and B. The process is very simple but that immune system is what we call evolutionary process. Each bacteria carries different DNAs that took from different hosts. In the long run (time as the only culprit), evolution in the illustrations of a bateria is similar to humans. Just a single cell - splits into 2 and that same cells merged and creates another set of DNAs. I hope this helps. Now, I don't know if you believe me or not... but as for me, that alone gives me more things to ponder because change is not an instant phenomena... it takes time.

Once my professor in zoology told me that - change is not that easy. It involves time, and understanding. All is well, God bless.

[Mr.Ho_chia]

Not evidence of evolution? WRONG AGAIN.

and i we will believe you when you say our point is wrong? is that it your majesty? YOU'RE DEAD WRONG.
Let your scientific knowledge do the talking and not you determining what's wrong and what's not. as if you have basis for that. you can't even clearly say what is your basis for what is good and what is bad or wrong.

oi, I remember nga pala, you said it's based on your common sense. wow. that's scientific! evolution science is based on sinyalan common sense. tsk tsk tsk. nice try. but really your not a true evolutionist. far from the real one!

Kung kahibaw ka mobasa ho chia… READ.
If you think evolution is religion… CAN YOU PROVE IT? Naa pod kay ebidensya nga ang evolution is religion or based on faith and beliefs?

Kahibao ko mo basa oi, mao btaw klaro nako nga you're a fake evolutionist. you don't understand science in the truest meaning of the word. you want proof. here it goes:

evolution says you came from a rock and became a life form with a single cell organism.
Science say in the LAW of BIOGENESIS only life begets Life. that's scientific facts. and since it is science that says only life begets life your evolution is not science and since you cannot prove how a rock turn into life form (no scientific evidence, then yours is based on hope and faith that indeed rocks turned into a life form.

see now false-evolutionist! its a fairytale imagination and its a religion. i bet you don't get it. well, not my problem anymore if you can't understand!

and who's running in circle here, ah you copied the idea from alel. so your not just a fake evolutionist you're a copycat too! double jeopardy! well, i am not running in circle i am refreshing your selective memories. since you cannot answer questions posted on you on how matter, space, energy, time came about, you just ignore it, because no science can prove it because it is not scientific in the first place., it is your religion and you dont even know that. hahaha.

I said if you can’t then read other publications or go to your local library. Besides, you can’t even prove your creation as scientific. Hahahahaha… dahum man ka pre. You defied because your close-mind is dictated by your faith, belief and religion. And you say you know the law of science? Pfftt… you don’t know squat. Your science is based on your biblical beliefs… more like illusionary than scientific.

read publications and go to libraries. hahaha, so evolution theory and evidence varies from one publisher to the other, that's why your confused, a fake evolutionist who is a copycat and a confused one too.whatever books you read, you can search all the site in the internet.... there is no single proof of your evolution that is exact science. so, you spit it out so you can shame the skeptics of evolution, knowing you, you should have done that already if you have it, but you don't that's why you fake it again by referring me to libraries and books. what a heap shot!

you say i don't know the law of science. Well, i know some. like the law of gravity, inertia, biogenesis, conservation of angular momentum, thermodynamics laws to name a few and evolution breaks most of them. you understand those? bet not.

and by the way, does all these laws of science, physics, math are true? you see the universe is govern by these laws, i wonder then who is the law giver? don't tell me it came from dirt also!

Didn’t I mention everything that pertains to evolution? You’re only looking one specific area… looking for fraudulent mao na nga your keen to look for mistakes not weighing things correctly… I think you didn’t weigh them ho chia. Too, naïve I conclude. Here you think I am inferior manifestation of earnst… salamat pre, at least I am considered one of the great minds and contributor to the world of science. Unlike you, you will never be greater because you’re religion and faith puts you down to same spot. You will always be a made by your god magically… skip your parents. Hahahahaha…

looking for fraudulent? you say... tinuod gyud d i nga fraud, tikas, deceit, lie! coming straight from your mouth. evolution is a fraud if you look at it at close range. tama ka gyud. and for you to acknowledge and be happy of being an inferior specie of the great fraud ( mangingilad) of evolution ernst heackle is nothing but a confession that either you are too dumb to have admitted nga tikasan ka or you are just that, a great fraud like your father ernst, the balintawak wanker!

i don't want to be great, i just want to learn science, reason and logic in believing things. I am not like you, who wants to impress people by joining what you perceived to be intellectual stands without even understanding it. a fake! and stupid at that, forgive me but there is just no kinder word to use in describing your brand!

Hahahaha… cheap shot? I guess you can’t answer that ho chia. Sige kuno beh if you know the law of science and describe what human anatomy leads you to? Again, you haven’t answered my question yet… you’re trying to get away from it. C’mon ho chia, show me a full chapter in the bible that talks about human anatomy.

and where's the full chapter in evolution that speaks just that? pagka pulpol! I believe My GOD by faith! no question about it.

you believe your evolution as science? DEAD WRONG! from the beginning dust and it becomes you. that is faith there not science!

Ho chia, ayaw pagbinugo pre. Your “dusty” brain drowns you to think of dirty stuff… think hard ho chia, mokaon kaha ka ug kuto? I mean that’s nonsense. I told you and your cohort (rcruman) that we evolve from sophisticated animal… we don’t eat dirty stuff, heck we don’t even eat flesh animal meat. Unless you are that dirty and cannibalistic then I gave that to you. But again, you failed to see the logic.
And you think you’re creationist also? Hahahahaha… can’t even prove magic man gani, or even your god that exists. You can continue your beliefs ho chia because that’s the only place you’re going to be… nowhere else.

kaw ni ubos sa imong kaugalingon dong... ikaw ni sulti nga gakaon ka saging unya ang ungoy ga kaon saging mao nga ungoy pud ka. so kaon kuto! kay imong mga kaparehas nga ungoy kaon man kuto, lamian man gani sila.
a sophisticated na d i ka sa noh, so dili ka ungoy, you have nothing to do with being a monkey, right? so where is evolution now since you are not a monkey of any sort. and a totally sophisticated being, made in the image and likeness of GOD.

there you go, a fake evolutionist admitting he is not of any monkeys wnanabee humans.

that's why I am a creationist because I Faith in my GOD. unlike you a fake who hid in the name of science but employs too far off imaginary magic, transforming everything living from a rock. and everything else from dust.

in the end that one word for you still stands! ---------- incapacitated!

[Mr.Ho_chia]

hahahaha... man, you really are obnoxious buddy boy. Again, for the last time ho chia, READ!

Because you obviously reading everything here with your mind closed. Besides, that's what everyone observed you btw. So. READ.

and what have you read? that you are so proud about?

that man eats banana and Apes eat banana therefore apes are men? nice try! your mind is not only closed but it has the highest resale value of all living creatures.... you know why because it is the most slightly used! almost brand new, panagsa kaayo lang magamitan!

[cosplay]

Belief is belief. Its a theory.

[rdyteves]

hahaha.... from what i believe jud... it's not just physical evolution...like how man learned how to stand up straight but from what i believe the belief of evolution as well... in the olden days where man had a simple brain and all he can believe was a person with such a much more greater brain capacity (ex. Jesus Christ, Julius Caesar) compared to theirs.

that was all that they believe in. ofcourse man grew more aware of his environment and thus explored and developed what we know as science.

to put it simply the belief of evolution and how things came about evolved as well.

from magical figures to scientific researches

[Mr.Ho_chia]

Hala oi, taas na man ning discussion diri. More like personal attacks than point of views. Not to step on everyone foot here but what is really wrong about evolution in the first place? To be honest, I too, is a believer of evolution. It maybe a theory but science gave us alternative understanding what and where humans really made of. In my years of Nursing, you can see evolution infront. The change, the stratum or branches of our evolved mechanisms tells us that science indeed offers a good understanding. Adam and Eve stories were good and there was nothing wrong with that story because to my views, there was no direct distinction of their existence basta lang the book tells us it was created by God. That's fine. But what science explained a single cell also have DNA structures... so as all animals. An even bacterium has one. Given time - I mean billions of time - change occurred. It was a very very slow process but that process science observed that patiently.

I watched a NatGeo episode last night about volcanoes from the deep (or something like that), and there are crustacean family lived there and you what food they eat, bacteria and that bacteria lived side by side with sulfuric acid. From shrimps, they evolved to a different set of family because the bacteria they eat has DNA structures that's similar to ours - creates a new form of DNA. Just like when you contracted by simple flu, from person to person the bacteria evolves. Illustrations like this. A person who got a flu... let's name it Bacteria A and after few day within the body of person A cultivates an immune system. Person A is cured but the bacteria A is now evolved - Person B get's the bacteria A. Stays in the body for few days BUT the bacteria A is adopting another immune system. Now that bacteria has two sets of immune system. Bacteria A and B. The process is very simple but that immune system is what we call evolutionary process. Each bacteria carries different DNAs that took from different hosts. In the long run (time as the only culprit), evolution in the illustrations of a bateria is similar to humans. Just a single cell - splits into 2 and that same cells merged and creates another set of DNAs. I hope this helps. Now, I don't know if you believe me or not... but as for me, that alone gives me more things to ponder because change is not an instant phenomena... it takes time.

Once my professor in zoology told me that - change is not that easy. It involves time, and understanding. All is well, God bless.

Hello Ms. Tripeire, I am a nurse too and a biologist as well. we are seeing the same evidence but we interpret it differently. I too believe in evolution..... Micro evolution that is. to me it is GOD's design that organisms are able to adopt in their environment. but to apply micro evolution to the highest level like a single cell amoeba will produce human is nothing but a scientific ignorance. the DNA will tell us that.

that is an assumption to say that given billion of times DNA structures change, it is pinned on hope and faith that it will. but ms. tripwire can you rewind a bit more, go to the very start of evolution that says in the beginning dust....... how can you explain that? i mean, i have been asking evolutionist here ( the real ones) to explain cosmic evoltuion and chemical evolution. there's simply no explanation.

as i have mentioned in my earlier post, the premise of evolutionist that chimp evolved to be men is found to be mathematically impossible to the highest level by math! Again, its 30,000 DNA in a double helix to evolve in random perfectly for apes to be human and the chance of this hapening is 1 in 10 to the power of 40,000.

again let me tell you that in math, and science anything that is beyond 1 in 10 to the power 50 is already impossible. see ma'am?

how about organic evolution, from non-living rocks with no DNA to a spongy soup in the ocean and to single cell amoeba with DNA --- How did it happen? there is no science in there, it is a system of belief, a religion. and if it is a religion also by faith and hope, then go ahead by all means, evolution religion is not a problem, we all have the right to believe what we want. but to call it a science in absolute terms is a deceit.

the story of dirt forming rocks and forming us eventually is similar to the Creation story. both should be a religion!

[Tattva]

If religion cannot prove their belief based on science we frown at them and say it is stupid to believe on something with no evidence. and we say it with automatic determination and immediate judgment.

but if evolution is found to have not satisfied scientific evidence and actually found to be breaking current laws of science, physics and mathematics, we say... its ok, trust me i'm with science and what i say is scientific.

common! who are you kidding.

show some proofs. otherwise your evolution is as good as any religion. based on Hope, pinned on faith!

Come on!

pls dont bring this argument to Science versus Religion. Science can support their claim, like jumping out of the window and you go down,thats called gravity. allele fluctuation in the genes is called evolution. But the explanation is not complete yet as we speak, but who knows that many many years from now as they are charting many many many uncharted territories in our genes they might come up with a complete explanation of Evolution.


The difference between unsatisfied evidence of science and Religion is, In Science there is actually an observable trends ,whereas in religion there is no observable scientific trend to prove that there is a God who created species. According to a respected figure of creationism,he said, "Creationism is not science". take a cue from there.

Again...Observable mechanism= Theory. Science cant come up with theories if WALA silay na obserbahan. This is no faith. It is base on OBSERVABLE trend.


proof? what do you want?

[rodsky]

All of you who consider yourselves as proponents and supporters of science and see evolution as logical, you are all just wasting time talking to close-minded people here. You have a lot of other interesting things to pursue, don't bother with the close-minded people--just let them be--the more you argue with them, the more they become happy because all eyes and attention are upon their "brilliant" and "unshakeable" ideas, and they are unshakeable because as they say, their ideas come from God and religion.

Hopefully, if we leave them alone, they will also leave us alone. The trouble comes only if they don't leave us alone.

-RODION

[Alel]

Alel, with all due repect to you, I am not hiding in the name of science! my belief in my GOD is based in my FAITH that HE exist, that HE created everything there is.

unya ikaw? your evolution? which is this thread is all about. if you say that evolution is based on faith as well then proof will not be asked of you.

clear sir? because really evolution is no science but a system of belief based on hope and faith!

me going around in circles? do you hear yourself? on the contrary it is you and the likes of you that is going around in circles.

you announce to the world that you have science behind you to back your evolution but you can't even prove it with the same science you are talking about!. all you want for us is to accept it as science because you say so? common on! wake up!

you should be sick! by the very lies that you believed in!. I am no authority, all i have are scientific facts and evidences that your evolution defy the known laws of the very science it professes.

you see sir, it's simple, if you want to end this all and shame me of my disbelief in evolution as science, all you have to do is prove it! and quit on making your own demands and diversionary tactics.

Then its me who is using diversionary tactics eh? WOW! Why dont you try to review the previous pages and try to determine who was diverting. Geez...

You misread my post Mister. IM NOT SAYING EVOLUTION REQUIRES FAITH. I WAS ACTUALLY STATING OTHERWISE!!

Man, I dont castigate you because you believe in GOD. Im just trying to make you realize how unfair you are as far as the discussion is concerned!

You are not supposed to judge whether we made a point or not...YOU ARE NOT A MODERATOR! and worse yet, YOU ARE ON ONE SIDE!

Better know the difference between belief and faith Sir...Geeez...


Alel