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    Again it all depends on you. How you manage your life and your finances.

    I have colleagues who would attest that they wouldn't have been able to put up their own business had it not been for their "bigger" call center salaries.

    Although it has "evolved", the call center industry has been here for a long time and I think it would stay for even longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joanrie777 View Post
    Hello Fellow Istoryans...
    I have read this article
    just now and I wanted to
    share this to you all, I, myself
    is guilty with what is written
    in this article but still I'm
    loving the job...Enjoy. And
    let me know your thoughts!

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    Quit Your Call Center Job
    by purevoid
    December 16th, 2007


    Quit your night-shift call center job. Well, maybe not today or tomorrow but when you have learned enough and saved enough to get by for a new career. This is one opinionated post that will surely touch a nerve with the huge population of young working people in the industry but I’m writing from experience.

    And as an added disclaimer, I do not hate the call center industry at all. I recognize its value from providing opportunities to thousands, improving the economy, and fully opening the Philippines to the global market. I would even say that any entrepreneur would benefit from cold and warm calling skills that you would definitely learn in a call center. I would just advice workers here not to stay too long as a night-shift agent or manager.

    College All Over Again
    A strange thing I found out when I was working as a deputy director for start-up call center is that a majority of the employees from my former company kept working despite low pay, disputes with management and other negative factors simply because of their co-worker friends. In relation, another thing I saw with my own eyes is that most of them stayed because of a competent, and well-liked supervisor or team leader. This social aspect of the call center, while I generalize, cannot be discounted. The call center atmosphere is almost always fun, laid-back and basically feels like college all over again with many drinking sprees and out of town trips.

    Health Issues
    But what are the costs to staying in a night-shift work, particularly in a call center. In terms of health, even without looking at studies linking night shift work to breast cancer, diabetes and many other illnesses, everyone I know who has worked for years in a call center is generally unhealthy. It may be any of these indicators - paleness, overweight, hand spasms, frequent fever and colds, underweight, smoking, drinking too much, eye bags, stomach problems and most common is lack of energy. Again, I am generalizing from my experience and from knowing at least a hundred call center workers that I have met and have been friends with.

    Unfortunately, the common age bracket of the call center worker is early 20s to 30s. This is the time our bodies should be at our prime and punishing it at this stage rather than stabilizing its strength for the rest of our lives is very destructive.

    Career Paths Remain Hidden
    Career-wise, a call center agent is neither in luck from what I have seen. You may be put in a better campaign, better Australian shift, become a trainer, team leader and whatnot but as long as the improvement is not major and you are still using the basic set of skills, you are probably in a dead end. An agent must understand, that more than most other industries today, the call center and BPO industry is founded on cost saving. Hence, it is always cheaper to hire new people, fresh graduates then to promote a current employee.

    Even if you are excelling in the call center it is also not much different from other careers in the corporate world - it takes years to get to the top. And for this reason, you must focus on a general career direction you can sustain for a long time.

    My rule of thumb has always been that if in a year there is no MAJOR improvement at least in terms of position and pay, you should change jobs. This rule of thumb, take note, has been applicable only in recent years with our fast changing world. Companies can crumble, merge, restructure in any given day. New technologies and new economics can obliterate an industry in weeks.

    Or another rule of thumb is if you are comfortable, better do something new.

    Take more lightly the advice of your parents and elders to get a secure and stable job - there is none. The only security is investing wisely, developing your talents, and business skills while you’re working in any company.

    Do not just look at your monthly salary and savings. Whether you are an office worker or self-employed, it is crucial to look at your relative income (that is your income divided by the time you spend working or simply hourly rate) and where you’re putting your money.

    The worst thing you can do is spend years in a career that is not your calling just to save money and build your resume. “It’s like saving *** for old age,” according to Warren Buffet.

    If I have yet to convince you to change your career, I beg you to read “Who Moved My Cheese?” and the newest edition of “What Color is Your Parachute?”


    ***

    My old friend, who is one of the first generations of one of the best performing call centers in the Philippines, maybe lucky that she was one of the pioneers and she is enjoying a massive salary and a high position. She’s married, well-respected, and financially secure. But she is still on night-shift and has been for the last 8 years. And one look at her, from a pretty, glowing and energetic girl back in college, she’s now a delicate waif with sullen eyes and balmy skin. Given the chance I would really convince her to quit while she’s ahead and improve her health while its not too late. She must enjoy her new family and maybe just use her savings to invest instead. No career or amount of wealth is worth the irreversible costs on her time and health.

    ***

    So my unsolicited advice if you are working in night shift:

    1.Make a definite time line of a year and no more to stay (even if you get promoted to the next rank). Do not get baited with promotion promises.

    2.Work extra hard to master cold calling and negotiation skills and any other things you can learn. Make the most of it.

    3.Pay attention how management works; study their metrics to know where your performance counts.

    4.Eliminate after work drinking sprees. Stop smoking; it’s more dangerous when your body is weakened my abnormal sleeping habits.

    5.Contrary to intuition, do not engage in strenuous exercise at all. Risk of heart attack (even at our age) has become common because of a weakened state. Do only light stretching daily.

    6.Spend weekends with family and old friends instead of co-workers. While making new friends is always good, time spent with co-workers at the office is truly enough. This would ground you on your original dreams before you were in the rat race.

    7.Set aside at least 10 percent of your net income (after tax but before bills) for security and 10 percent for investment.

    8.Get a medical insurance separate from your Philhealth.

    9.Look into jobs in sales, marketing, PR, customer service and even real estate industries that are day shift and those with realistic chances for fast management positions.

    10.Do not revert back to where you once were. Strive above all for consistent, never-ending improvement in your life.

    11.Always have a career direction and purpose and act on them. Know what matters to you.

    This is a very inspiring message. I agree totally.

  3. #223
    di ko mu undang oi.. na unsa. tambay raman gani to akong gi buhat sauna. hehehe.
    bitaw, inig abot nako sa amu maka tog raman dayun ko, maka gym pa gani ko. wa sad koy mga sakit2x sukad2x nag callcenter ko.. depende rana sa tao oi kung di siya kahibaw mu manage sa iyang oras, basin inig human duty mag laag2x pa nya matog rag tag 4 ka oras. ahw kana yataps jud ang labas ana. hehe

  4. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by skel-g73 View Post
    di ko mu undang oi.. na unsa. tambay raman gani to akong gi buhat sauna. hehehe.
    bitaw, inig abot nako sa amu maka tog raman dayun ko, maka gym pa gani ko. wa sad koy mga sakit2x sukad2x nag callcenter ko.. depende rana sa tao oi kung di siya kahibaw mu manage sa iyang oras, basin inig human duty mag laag2x pa nya matog rag tag 4 ka oras. ahw kana yataps jud ang labas ana. hehe
    lig-on pa guro kag tuhod bradir, hehehe!

    stay a few more years longer, and you'll understand what this man's talking about...

  5. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by greywolf View Post
    post kuno unsa ka na companya ug unsay position para iverify nato. dako na jud diay kaayo kag rango kung mao na sobra pas 30k mabilin after bayad sa bills.
    @greywolf, diba taga cvg ka? i thought dako kaau ang sweldo dinha... my friend told me nga moabot ug 50k daw monthly. she was from sprint. she was an agent there. i guess you should've known it nga what masakiton said is also possible. 30k left should not be suprising for you diba? unless namakak ako miga hehehe

  6. #226
    yes thats true for certain accounts dako jud kaayo but not for all agents. just for the selected few. and i mean few. these people are those who work "really" hard, go "beyond" their stats and perform "way more" than what is expected of them. but right now, thats a bit hard to achieve. stats have changed. only the best of the best can get up to more than 50k.

    yes what masakiton said is possible. i didnt say it wasn't right?

  7. #227
    Quote Originally Posted by bowee View Post
    Back then, Call center is an alien word to most people.. in the 80's people can call 109 /114 and get to speak to an operator, but then again, back then was just oh so simple then.. you just tell the operator to connect you to this number and presto.. you are connected already...

    Now, you get to speak to someone from the other half of the world who whines on some isssues he/she has.. and sometimes berates you for not understanding his/her accent or language...

    Yes, you may categorically call the operators who answered your call before back then as 'Call Center agents' but then again, that was then and now is NOW.. times have change and you can't compare the operators then as call center agents because they are not and do not have the same functions as our normal call centers would do day in day out... plus the operators are just like you and me alos.. Pinoys lang...

    Anyway.. different strokes for different folks lang, some are contented to become a call center agent because they think it can fed their families for good.. well its your choice..

    Some have other purpose in life rather than just bloating and sitting every night on a cubicle and waiting for the "Kano" to call them and whine at them...
    naka limot ko sa 173 (tech support sauna)
    ang night shift nga call center agent sama ra sa night shift nga nurse mag atiman sa sakit nga dili iyaha

    bitaw... sa ka daghan nga night shift nga trabaho ngano kaha initan ang nga callcenter agent
    1. nurse
    2. system administrators
    3. onsite Transmitter engineers/technician
    4. security guard
    5. bank staff (sa cheque clearing man tingali nga dept)
    6. night shift staff mga 24hours nga stores (jolibee, Starbucks, mercury drug.. etc)
    7. police ug military (walai labot ang mga tapolan )

  8. #228
    naa man guy mga tao nga grabe kaayog mga accomplishments labi na sa school or experience sa work then lupigon lang sa sweldo sa taga call center nga undergraduate. kanang mga tawhana uban ana nila kay mga graduate ug unsa nga course pero half ra ilang sweldo compared sa naa sa call centers. lol! naay mga tao nga dili na nila matake or ma.accept kana nga fact mao na initan nila mga call center agents. mamatay nalang kayo sa inggit. hehe

  9. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by greywolf View Post
    naa man guy mga tao nga grabe kaayog mga accomplishments labi na sa school or experience sa work then lupigon lang sa sweldo sa taga call center nga undergraduate. kanang mga tawhana uban ana nila kay mga graduate ug unsa nga course pero half ra ilang sweldo compared sa naa sa call centers. lol! naay mga tao nga dili na nila matake or ma.accept kana nga fact mao na initan nila mga call center agents. mamatay nalang kayo sa inggit. hehe
    mao mao. hehe

  10. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by greywolf View Post
    naa man guy mga tao nga grabe kaayog mga accomplishments labi na sa school or experience sa work then lupigon lang sa sweldo sa taga call center nga undergraduate. kanang mga tawhana uban ana nila kay mga graduate ug unsa nga course pero half ra ilang sweldo compared sa naa sa call centers. lol! naay mga tao nga dili na nila matake or ma.accept kana nga fact mao na initan nila mga call center agents. mamatay nalang kayo sa inggit. hehe
    dakong sakto

    wala nila huna huna a nga mas high risk pa gali ang

    military and police nga naa sa field.
    nurse ug doctor pirmi exposed sa sakit
    Last edited by masakiton; 12-06-2010 at 01:43 AM.

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