Is Evolutionist Science worth believing?

[Mr.Ho_chia]

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@ ho chia

Tell you what, do yourself a favor (as I have told you this before), research everything that pertains to evolution because you obviously your brain is stagnant from believing the same issues since your bible had been written. You will never improve from that line of thinking. FWIW. you could somehow understand what you are talking about. Besides, you will not learn from myself or anyone here to everything we gave to you - there is no point on giving more of my side. Go on, read everything about evolution and tell me if it requires faith and religion.

this is your best shot? I ask you to prove evolution in the most scientific way and all you can say is do research because my brain is stagnant?

Learn from you or anyone like you. you make me puke. you can't even understand proof, much more proving evolution. and you say learn from you? have you examined your posts? have you had any scientific reasoning posted about evolution? the answer is....... NONE! NOT ONE!

all you do is say things like........ do your research, learn from me. your bible is a fraud, my evolution is a science. i am therfore intellectual, i declare myslf a scientist, i am darwin and the apes are my ancestors, we all came from rocks.... etc... etc... etc....

where is the scientific explanation here?....... ZERO... NONE..... NOT A SINGLE ONE!

so what does this make you? the lowest form of ernst heackle, the father of evolution fraud?

i know more about evolution than you! by the way you talk a lot of none sense! you are not a true evolutionist nor a true atheist! you're just simply a wannabe sham!

because a true evolutionist will always, talk about science and formulas and physics to prove evolution but you. your just a....... hmmmm.............. inahing cgeg putak nga walay pulos.

and the best explanation you had ever posted here is this and i quote:

Apes eat banana, man eat banana therfore apes are men and vice versa.

tubag ni rc nimo kay ungoy kaun kuto ikaw kay ungoy manka kaun sab ka kuto? bwahahahaha

that was your best so far!

[Mr.Ho_chia]

In this world, we have people who are good at certain things. They were born with a certain natural capacity to be better at analysis and calculation. Imagine, if everyone of us (and this includes me, sir) were endowed with that ability, even the guy who sells cigarettes on the street, then we won't be having this conversation. The fact is, the reality of things is that only a handful of people have this capacity. So do not force me into a corner--you seem to want to show everyone that see? Evolution is only faith because Rodion here cannot prove that it is right! Is that what you're trying to arrive at mister? You want to use anyone's lack of expertise in physics, chemistry, molecular biology, and genetics, to prove that we are all just being deluded by science. How lame can you get mister?

-RODION

so in effect you are saying that not all will understand, that only the better ones the endowed ones, the gifted ones will understand. and therefore your smarter and others are dumb?

what i am asking you is to use your own medium which is science to prove evolution. that is all. this is not a complicated task, it is simple task. it is only complicated because the theory is false from the very beginning.

do you know how many laws of physics, science and math has to be broken and defied for evolution to stand? i certainly have a handful.

because frankly speaking sir, the only alternative for evolution is Creation! and therfore evolution has to be resurrected otherwise you'll end up believing in the Intelligent designer, which by the way is also a science and supported by science and logical reasoning.

[Mr.Ho_chia]

One more thing ho chia... since you believe in creationism, could you show all the information within the bible that discusses how your human body is? I mean, how your muscles work, your brain, your blood, your sweat glands and everything in it because Science explained that and it is a FACT. If you can find a complete chapter in the bible that tells about human anatomy... then you win. If not, you have to stop your yap about evolution is not science and evolution is religion and requires faith. Agreed?

and evolution did? you are so incapacitated!
yes science did explain it all. but evolution did not. that's why evolution is not a science but a religion!

I can use a description of your brand of evolutionism if there is such term.

why do I have the notion that you are not a true evolutionist at all, i can tell your a fake sir. sorry for that but there's no other way to describe your brand. are you joining evolutionist and atheist so you will feel as if your intelligent or intellectual? please don't sir the signs are obvious.

[rodsky]

so in effect you are saying that not all will understand, that only the better ones the endowed ones, the gifted ones will understand. and therefore your smarter and others are dumb?

Where in my statements have I said I was smarter? Again you are committing the act of putting words in my mouth and making me appear as the villain in all your posts. Bravo sir. You are certainly good at what you do.

what i am asking you is to use your own medium which is science to prove evolution. that is all. this is not a complicated task, it is simple task. it is only complicated because the theory is false from the very beginning.

What then if I don't want to? Will you then label me as a liar simply because I have a choice in the matter?

do you know how many laws of physics, science and math has to be broken and defied for evolution to stand? i certainly have a handful.

I've read your handful as I go over your multitude of posts, and frankly, not a single one is convincing, as I assume not a single one of my arguments are also convincing to you, simply because your mind is closed. With that I declare that it is impossible to arrive at a healthy discourse with someone as close-minded as you. Parents with children should be wary having you around, and that's indeed my advice to all in these forums.

And why are you so against the idea that there are indeed some people who are smarter than you? What's your problem man?

-RODION

[Mr.Ho_chia]

hahaha the oldest scientific debate!!!


for me i believe in the evolution theory... yes it is still a theory but it is the it's the closest thing to a clearer expalnation of how life began or evolved for that matter.

comparing this to the adam and eve story where a superior being magically created man and made another one by pulling some out of him and a giant snake in an apple tree and they all lived happily together.


hmmmmm this is a tough question though... not that i don't believe in the existence of God...


as my great prof. Cleope of silliman university said "don't explain what is divine into human sense"

but sir, isn't it magic also that a rock is transformed into every living form in the universe? sounds fairytale magic to me as well.

a banana producing offsprings of 4 legged mammals like your elephant. isn't it magical also?

to me sir, one have a choice... whether to believe that:

in the beginning GOD......... and all came to be or
in the beginning dirt.......... and all came to be.

magical to either camp. but that's a new story all together and I don't mind if you believe the 2nd and i believe the first. what I resent is the second one is insisted as a science when clearly it is not!

[rodsky]

"Any sufficiently advanced form of technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke (1917-200

I am quoting this not because I believe in the quote blindly, but I wholeheartedly agree with it.

-RODION

[Mr.Ho_chia]

Where in my statements have I said I was smarter? Again you are committing the act of putting words in my mouth and making me appear as the villain in all your posts. Bravo sir. You are certainly good at what you do.

this is from your post this page reply #218
In this world, we have people who are good at certain things. They were born with a certain natural capacity to be better.......The fact is, the reality of things is that only a handful of people have this capacity
--- the SMART ones
you having said that what makes of the remaining population that includes you cigarette vendor?

you now see how manipulative you are with your words?

What then if I don't want to? Will you then label me as a liar simply because I have a choice in the matter?
RODION

no i will not label you as a lier, instead i will therefore conclude that you either don't fully understand the lies of evolution which you believe or you reject it for reasons self serving to you. -------thats' my sound logical conclusion.

I've read your handful as I go over your multitude of posts, and frankly, not a single one is convincing, as I assume not a single one of my arguments are also convincing to you, simply because your mind is closed. With that I declare that it is impossible to arrive at a healthy discourse with someone as close-minded as you. Parents with children should be wary having you around, and that's indeed my advice to all in these forums.
-RODION

If you are not convince, it's not my problem, all i did was use the medium (science) you say as your basis of your belief which is evolution and apply the already proven scientific facts. now if you reject it, its ok, but still the truth remains that you can never produce a magnesium out of hydrogen for your evolution to work. and indeed that's a big problem for evolutionist like you.

of my mind is close what do you say about yours? none-existence? i suggest you calm down and think well, and then come back with the best evidence of evolution you have ever known and let's lay it on the table.

you see there is a huge difference between a closed mind and a critical mind. a closed mind will not hear reason despite scientific evidence is laid upon him, proven by science. that's a closed mind.

but a critical mind will scrutinize, cut into pcs, detailed the information given him and examine if these information before him is supported by factual science already proven, observed and can be repeated scientific informations.

so sir between me and you, contrary to your opinion, you have a closed mind to evolution, while I maintain an open mind to it. I will embrace evolution as soon as you give me concrete evidence without flaws! not like the ernst haeckles embryo drawings in the 1800s.

and for that it is you and the likes of you who is incapable of using logical reasoning that parents should be weary about!

And why are you so against the idea that there are indeed some people who are smarter than you? What's your problem man?

-RODION

I don't have any problem with others smarter than me, i am an eager student of science, i am willing to learn more. my problem starts only if people like you end up arguing outside the bound of proper discussions in respect with evolution using science and scientific proofs. and end up arguing outside of scientific reasons.

so in the end. Evolution can't be proven at all by the very science they so attribute it to.

[rodsky]

Well parried sir, but still, your arguments do not convince me at all. I wish to be convinced, really, but frankly I am not. Good day.

-RODION

[Mr.Ho_chia]

"Any sufficiently advanced form of technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke (1917-200

I am quoting this not because I believe in the quote blindly, but I wholeheartedly agree with it.

-RODION

I agree and i understand it quite clearly, but this has nothing to do with proving evolution. doesn't it?

so until the proof of:
in the beginning dirt and all came to be.......... is there.------->this is a fairytale magic in the world of fantasy. this is not science!

[Mr.Ho_chia]

Well parried sir, but still, your arguments do not convince me at all. I wish to be convinced, really, but frankly I am not. Good day.

-RODION

no problem of mine at all. Good day to you as well.