Opteron 165 (dual core) vs. x2 3800+

[marcus_aurelius]

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Update us then with the benchies of your soon to be setup bro...

[weedmeister]

it will be my pleasure sir!

thanks again!!! :mrgreen:

[EarlZ]

Get the opty bro... the extra L2 cache(1mb) will boost the performance vs. X2 3800's 512kb. It's highly overclockable too, I read somewhere that Opterons are made of the finest silicon die compare that of the Athlons.

nope they are made on the equal quality of silicon wafer but Opterons under go a lot more burn-in and stresstesting than Athlons and FX

Yes Opterons are tested under far more srtingent demands than the X2, and are generally better quality silicon than the Athlons.

"The Opteron is tested more intensely than the Athlon because the Opteron is intended to undergo a more intensive workload, therefore stability is a key concern in the production of the Opteron. This generally translates into "better" quality silicon on the Opteron which should in theory yield higher overclocks than an average Athlon. It is also speculated that the more intense testing leads to better memory controllers which will lead to better overclocking results and latencies on not only your processor, but your memory as well."

basaha ug claro and sabta, it staes *better* not using a physically better silicon since all the silicon are of the same quality used for Athlon/X2/FX cores if TSCM would use a different type of silicon ( which doesnt exsist yet for the A64 product line ) then it would cost AMD around 10x more to produce the opteron. anyway you seem fixated on that "statement" i wont aruge anymore.. but i still say they are of EQUAL silicon unless you can prove it to me otherwise

[EarlZ]

hahaha, wow, it seems that the decision is unanimous....

I guess they don't call it OPTEROWN for nothing eh...? :mrgreen:

all your feedback have been most helpful guys, thanks so much...


Sir Earlz: i'm looking at the EPOX 9NPA+ SLi... whatchutink?

How about the ATI crossfire chipset, heard they are pretty good.

[marcus_aurelius]

Get the opty bro... the extra L2 cache(1mb) will boost the performance vs. X2 3800's 512kb. It's highly overclockable too, I read somewhere that Opterons are made of the finest silicon die compare that of the Athlons.

nope they are made on the equal quality of silicon wafer but Opterons under go a lot more burn-in and stresstesting than Athlons and FX

Yes Opterons are tested under far more srtingent demands than the X2, and are generally better quality silicon than the Athlons.

"The Opteron is tested more intensely than the Athlon because the Opteron is intended to undergo a more intensive workload, therefore stability is a key concern in the production of the Opteron. This generally translates into "better" quality silicon on the Opteron which should in theory yield higher overclocks than an average Athlon. It is also speculated that the more intense testing leads to better memory controllers which will lead to better overclocking results and latencies on not only your processor, but your memory as well."

basaha ug claro and sabta, it staes *better* not using a physically better silicon since all the silicon are of the same quality used for Athlon/X2/FX cores if TSCM would use a different type of silicon ( which doesnt exsist yet for the A64 product line ) then it would cost AMD around 10x more to produce the opteron. anyway you seem fixated on that "statement" i wont aruge anymore.. but i still say they are of EQUAL silicon unless you can prove it to me otherwise

Well theres no need for a nasty argumention bro, as what I've said "I read somewhere that Opteron has better silicons that of the Athlon".

Here is a supporting page, a technically paper/page from AMD:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...,00.html#85264

To simplify:

Q: How will the new AMD Opteron 100 Series processors with ECC unbuffered memory support differ from the AMD Athlon™ 64 and AMD Athlon 64 FX processors?
A: Although the AMD Opteron 100 Series processors with unbuffered memory support will share the same core technology as the AMD Athlon 64 and AMD Athlon 64 FX processors and will be socket and thermally compatible, there are some distinct differences:

* AMD Opteron 100 Series processors with ECC unbuffered memory all have 1MB of L2 cache.
* AMD Opteron 100 Series processors with ECC unbuffered memory are produced on AMD Opteron processor die material and follow the same AMD Opteron processor manufacturing process as do the 800 Series and 200 Series.
* AMD Opteron 100 Series processors with ECC unbuffered memory undergo the same AMD Opteron processor-level testing and validation as do the 800 Series and 200 Series.

Here are some forums that also tackles Opteron Vs. Athlon Die difference:

http://www.ap0calypse.com/archive/index.php/t-2533.html

http://forums.amd.com/lofiversion/index.php/t60249.html

http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42469

I don't know bro, but it seems Opteron Dies' are different from Athlons based from that paper/page thus I have the reason to believe that Opterons has a better Die in support to my previous post. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not trying to argue non sensely. Please don't think I'm nagging on you bro this is just for information sake. Cheers and Peace...

[EarlZ]

wala man ko ma suko bro, believe in what you want. i know my facts and you know yours =) ofcourse AMD will say that Opeterons use a " better" quality silicon for marketing reasons since the chip is for desktop and very entry level workstations. again wala ko ma suko sa akong post. your information is very helpfull but still doesnt change on what i believe and know.

[marcus_aurelius]

You have a point bro, it makes me wonder too. If Opteron 1xx are made of better silicon that means it should cost a little higher than expected. I wish we have a guy from AMD to confirm this, anyway good discussion bro.

[fd]

i think what makes an opteron a higher priced proc compared to a64 is because of its purpose.
opterons are designed to work intensively without the IT people worrying about hardware crushes.

so opteron has to pass a lot of test compared to a64s.
hardware test machines also cost a lot in servers.

those test comsume $, so opterons has to be priced higher.

[weedmeister]

How about the ATI crossfire chipset, heard they are pretty good.

Which one in particular would you recommend sir? something locally available and well priced, maybe in the 7-8k range would be good.... i've actually been thinking of that, because i'm buying an ATI x1800xt 512 for my GPU, so it would be nice to crossfire sometime down the road.... :mrgreen:

[weedmeister]

wow, i just read that Opterons are being used for Cray Supercomputers diay... another point for the Opteron...

http://investors.cray.com/phoenix.zh...123&highlight=


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