If there is no God, Who Governs Right or Wrong?

[handsoff241]

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How can the conscience supply the policy when whatever is encountered provides the judgement already without the very POLICY you are talking about ?

To clarify for you sake; the policy im referring to is "rule enforcement" ei, as a police so policy, sorry for using the inappropriate term.
The Idea: The conscience "enforces" the knowledge we know related to what is bad or good, because we as humans has wants that is deemed bad/evil based on what we know morally.
Whatever you may encounter, your conscience will not directly say it is good or bad for you cannot, as a conscious being, co relate to the idea/thing/event you have witness, if it is bad or not.
If you are completely unaware that killing other people is totally bad, you will not bother seeing some strangle another someone to death.

It could be dependent in a very indirect way but it will never over rule the conscience . KNowledge is man made while conscience is nature that came with us .

No, knowledge is not man-made. Since when did man created knowledge? Knowledge is a consciousness of things/ideas. Man did not created it, it existed along with everything we know, be it a God or a rock.

Since when was throwing Holy Water a VIOLATION ? Its just a matter of respecting it . Again ... you were basing your morals being a Christian . That is how the issue of who sets the STANDARDS of MORALS if there is no GOD to follow ?

I already stated a disclaimer for this, you could have forgotten to read it or missed to comprehend my point. As I was saying regarding this scenario, regarding the throwing of the holy water, I was not meddling on the part that it is a religious moral or not but to the parallel idea which we are talking right now. Knowing what is bad and what is good with regards to your conscience ability to "enforce" those knowledge on your future actions/decisions.

If I smoke MJ , my conscience dictates me that it is bad even without knowing its side effects and whatever negative contributions it will provide to the people around me . Just by knowing it is a DRUG and whatever knowledge it covers is outside of my perimeter . All I need to know is that its a drug . On the Jamaicans issue , it is religious for them . They are being guided probably to a somehwat similar to the 10 COmmandments or whatever it is for them . They are bounded by the POLICIES of their beliefs .

You missed some points and left a hefty amount of idea for consideration.

Did you conduct the study about the Jamaicans ? ANy surveys ? Tallies ? Talk to Jamaicans like in the thousands ? Dont speak for them ... you yourself probably havent even seen weed in your whole life and just correct me if I am wrong .

We are talking about the idea, I also stated a disclaimer on this, that the accuracy will/may not matter as long as the idea is preserved.

When we talk about CONSCIENCE and KNOWLEDGE , dont limit yourself to a specific issue . Cover the whole 9 yards , elaborate and generalized .

I am not limiting myself to what I have given you, there is so much more I can give to prove my point. An idea I have been contemplating for quite a long time now. And out of common sense and knowledge, I concluded what I stated to you and I can defend and prove it.

We need knowledge to govern what is right or wrong, and conscience to police it.

[handsoff241]

whatever you say.

Mura ug tipal-o lolz.

So where is that humble chance of conceding?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

To clarify for you sake; the policy im referring to is "rule enforcement" ei, as a police so policy, sorry for using the inappropriate term.
The Idea: The conscience "enforces" the knowledge we know related to what is bad or good, because we as humans has wants that is deemed bad/evil based on what we know morally.

To make it simplier for you ... without CONSCIENCE , the KNOWLEDGE is neutral when it is set MORALLY if it is right or wrong . Get it ?

Whatever you may encounter, your conscience will not directly say it is good or bad for you cannot, as a conscious being, co relate to the idea/thing/event you have witness, if it is bad or not.
If you are completely unaware that killing other people is totally bad, you will not bother seeing some strangle another someone to death.

Lol ... you can ask any ATHEIST that they too can relate the 10 COmmandments except for the first 3 . They need not know who made it , why it was made or who is it for . Bottom line , it is against their morals and to the neighbors because the conscience says so .

No, knowledge is not man-made. Since when did man created knowledge? Knowledge is a consciousness of things/ideas. Man did not created it, it existed along with everything we know, be it a God or a rock.

In a literal understanding to your perception , you are right . I was referring to everytime you discover new things , you generate KNOWLEDGE . You have to discover first before you gain knowledge . You were not born in this world and knew everything already unlike CONSCIENCE , the moment nagka " BUOT " ka , you knew which is RIGHT and WRONG w/o discrimination and bias of whatever it is .

I already stated a disclaimer for this, you could have forgotten to read it or missed to comprehend my point. As I was saying regarding this scenario, regarding the throwing of the holy water, I was not meddling on the part that it is a religious moral or not but to the parallel idea which we are talking right now. Knowing what is bad and what is good with regards to your conscience ability to "enforce" those knowledge on your future actions/decisions.

Like I said also , have a new scenario . SOmething that is worth talking about since by using HOLY WATER as a accessory , it doesnt relate anything at all to what we are talking about . To make it more funny , we are talking about the ABSENCE of GOD so we are left in determining what is RIGHT or WRONG bound only for ourselves without the MORALS of the CHRISTIANS you are leaning on .

You missed some points and left a hefty amount of idea for consideration.

There is no more room for consideration . I said my part in contrast to the " Jamaicans " you are talking about .

We need knowledge to govern what is right or wrong, and conscience to police it.

OK le me ask you this , how will a person who is a NO READ and NO WRITE set himself or herself in the society as an HONEST CITIZEN since dili ta mo gamit ug GOOD CHRISTIAN una ?

[Heathen]

Well said Springy.

What a good dose of Common Sense.

[kebot]

omg. you guys are talking a more complex details... where situation takes favor... take this one guys as an example.

When a very young kid learns to lie at the first time? Did anyone taught him? Is it right or wrong? you see a child didn't know what is the implication of lying, but as an adult we know it is wrong. White lies? it is still wrong in the end. Point is if you do not teach the child what is right and what is wrong then, he will never distinguish White and Black as he matures.

Society? well society is dictated by interest of man. Not all are correct though. For instance, NAZI were taught to hate jews, palestine are taught to hate the jew. You guys better think about the civil war in Africa. Most of them don't believe in God. They decide for what the society dictates... If you believe that society set the MORAL STANDARD... I am not convince guys.

REMEMBER THIS! People behaves on what they believe.

IMO: without God, MONEY IS EVERYTHING. MONEY can purchase a soul. Its good thing people still believe in God so we can live in less chaos. (no need to react guys, this is just my opinion)

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

When a very young kid learns to lie at the first time? Did anyone taught him? Is it right or wrong? you see a child didn't know what is the implication of lying, but as an adult we know it is wrong. White lies? it is still wrong in the end. Point is if you do not teach the child what is right and what is wrong then, he will never distinguish White and Black as he matures.

You just said A VERY YOUNG KID . How YOUNG is it ? Naa nay BUOT ? If wala pa then you are right but kung naay BUOT na , he or she knows that teeling LIES are bad or something that is not good .

Society? well society is dictated by interest of man. Not all are correct though. For instance, NAZI were taught to hate jews, palestine are taught to hate the jew. You guys better think about the civil war in Africa. Most of them don't believe in God. They decide for what the society dictates... If you believe that society set the MORAL STANDARD... I am not convince guys.

You sure of that ? Have you seen the movie VALKYRIE as an idea ? That was based from a true story . I say , the NAZI's being EVIL but deep inside , they are suffering from their CONSCIENCE bothering them that what they are doing are BAD but they have to follow Hitler because they know what will happen to them if they disobey .

Do you think NORTH KOREANS think like KIM ? A big NO .

REMEMBER THIS! People behaves on what they believe.

Actually people behave on what they want to be considering from a person who is sane . They can believe all they want also as much as they consult their conscience of the outcome . Thats why people are proud to claim that they are EVIL because they acknowledge what they believe and the things they do are BAD .

IMO: without God, MONEY IS EVERYTHING. MONEY can purchase a soul. Its good thing people still believe in God so we can live in less chaos. (no need to react guys, this is just my opinion)

Not really bai . Even with GOD , money is still everything . Even religion is about MONEY .

[tripwire]

The problem with society, they might dictate what is right and what is wrong. Like you said marijuana... yes its true... never proven in science to trigger any brain irregularities nor it gives you bad health. But then again we got cigarette advertisement... People in Power wants control therefore they dictates.

Sir, I think you have to research more on these claims because smoking pot is a threat to your health.

In north Korea oh yea, KIM JUNG ILL is God, they pray for him, people pledge to kill Americans... I don't know if this kind of society is still Right. But yea they are one big Society... I don't know brad.

Actually Kim isn't their god. What they see on him is future of their race but not all believed in him because 80% of their population live in poverty. He isn't atheist also because COMMUNISM is considered religion. 20% of the population think that what they do is right. What you see, you're basing your moral standards on them then it isn't right. My question[s] now, What if you are a nokor? Would you justify right and wrong while your leaders are following communism?

[kebot]

You just said A VERY YOUNG KID . How YOUNG is it ? Naa nay BUOT ? If wala pa then you are right but kung naay BUOT na , he or she knows that teeling LIES are bad or something that is not good .



You sure of that ? Have you seen the movie VALKYRIE as an idea ? That was based from a true story . I say , the NAZI's being EVIL but deep inside , they are suffering from their CONSCIENCE bothering them that what they are doing are BAD but they have to follow Hitler because they know what will happen to them if they disobey .

Do you think NORTH KOREANS think like KIM ? A big NO .



Actually people behave on what they want to be considering from a person who is sane . They can believe all they want also as much as they consult their conscience of the outcome . Thats why people are proud to claim that they are EVIL because they acknowledge what they believe and the things they do are BAD .



Not really bai . Even with GOD , money is still everything . Even religion is about MONEY .

As expected brad... Money is everything for others. When Greed comes in , then became chaos.

[LIBER777]

As expected brad... Money is everything for others. When Greed comes in , then became chaos.

Money is the THE ROOT OF EVIL
maoy ingon nila Bosing diba!

PERO PARA NAKO

the out-of-cash will lead you to no GOOD
nganu man.... mka huna2x nakag daotan
labi nang naakay bisyo pananglit
imong BISYO hilig kaykag MANGABANG OG B*RIK*T
hehehe og uban pa diha SOYOPetc...

[tripwire]

As expected brad... Money is everything for others. When Greed comes in , then became chaos.

Just to add sir. Everyone is dependent on money. Money is considered the most latent and easy to use when you need something. I don't think you have to just sit and wait for something to happen without the use of money. God will not give that to you. You have to work for it.