The Only Source of Truth?

[regnauld]

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lingaw kaayo ko diri bro! nindot ni bro kung wala pay trabaho kay mak discorso jud ta bro no? unsa bro? ako bro nalipay jud ko nga nag kita ta diri sa forum! bag o pamam ko diri bro! ikaw bro dugay na?

[regnauld]

@regnauld,

bro murag lami naman ikatulog bro, sleep sa ko bro ha. mao raman gihapon sayang ra akong oras nimo dili man gihapon ka kamao mutubag ug pangutana.

nyt nyt bro. i hope makatulog ka bro...hehehehe!

kamao man ko motubag bro dili lang ka kauyon sa akong tubag kay imong mga pangutana gani sige man balik balik. mura man ka sirang plaka or broken record!

malingaw man ko nimo bro! sorry bro sa mga pagtamay nako nimo bro ha! my apology!

[regnauld]

@regnauld,

bro murag lami naman ikatulog bro, sleep sa ko bro ha. mao raman gihapon sayang ra akong oras nimo dili man gihapon ka kamao mutubag ug pangutana.

nyt nyt bro. i hope makatulog ka bro...hehehehe!

sayang man kaha imong oras nako nganong napatugatuga pa man ka ug discorso bro? malingaw man ko nimo bro! dili jud ko mo surrender nimo bro kay kabalo ko dili ka ka disprove sa reincarnation! loouy kaayo ka bro! unya ganahan pa ka mo disprove bro sa reincarnation nga gitudlo mana sa early christians?

[regnauld]

Mao ni bro ang early christian father nga nagtudlo ug reincarnation or preexistence! For your information and deeper study!


Origen (Greek: Ὠριγένης Ōrigénēs, or Origen Adamantius, ca. 185–ca. 254) was an early Christian scholar, theologian, and one of the most distinguished of the early fathers of the Christian Church. According to tradition, he is held to have been an Egyptian[1] who taught in Alexandria, reviving the Catechetical School of Alexandria where Clement of Alexandria had taught. The patriarch of Alexandria at first supported Origen but later expelled him for being ordained without the patriarch's permission. He relocated to Caesarea Maritima and died there[2] after being tortured during a persecution.
Using his knowledge of Hebrew, he produced a corrected Septuagint.[3] He wrote commentaries on all the books of the Bible.[3] In De principiis (On First Principles), he articulated the first philosophical exposition of Christian doctrine.[3] He interpreted scripture allegorically and showed himself to be a Neo-Pythagorean, and Neo-Platonist.[3] Like Plotinus, he wrote that the soul passes through successive stages of incarnation before eventually reaching God.[3] He imagined even demons being reunited with God. For Origen, God was the First Principle, and Christ, the Logos, was subordinate to him.[3] His views of a hierarchical structure in the Trinity, the temporality of matter, "the fabulous preexistence of souls," and "the monstrous restoration which follows from it" were declared anathema in the 6th century.[4]

[regnauld]

History recordes that the early Christine church believed in Reincarnation and of the souls journey back to oneness with God.

Pope Arrested for Believing in Reincarnation

Pope Vigilius was a vicar during the reign of Emperor Justinian in the sixth century AD. Justinian and Vigilius disagreed on whether or not the doctrine of reincarnation should be condemned as heresy or allowed to be taught in the church. Origin's writings were considered heresy by important cardinals in the sixth century. Origen's teachings had been considered as profound spiritual wisdom for three centuries. Origen lived around 250 AD and wrote about the pre-existence of the soul and in reincarnation. He taught that the soul’s very source was God and that the soul’s was traveling back to oneness with God via Reincarnation.
Emperor Justinian wanted Origen’s writings and teachings to be condemned and destroyed but Pope Vigilius refused to sign a papal decree condemning Origen's teachings on reincarnation. As a result of his disobedience, the Emperor had the Pope arrested and put into jail. In 543, Justinian convoked the Fifth General Council of the Church and told the Pope he would sign whatever into doctrine whatever the council decided. On the way there, under guard, the Pope escaped to avoid being forced to condemn Origen’s writings. The Emperor commanded the council to continue despite the Pope’s refusal to attend.
There was a logical reason why the Emperor was opposed to the concept that all of mankind originally came from God and was returing to God via the cucle of birth and death. Justinian had been convinced by high ranking cardinals that it was not in the interest of the empire to allow Origen;s writings to continue to be copied and distributed. A powerful group of Cardinal’s and Bishop’s explained that if every soul had once pre-existed with God, then Christ wasn’t anything special to have come from God. These Cardinals convinced the Emperor that if people realized they were the children of God theymight begin to believe they no longer needed an Emperor, or to pay taxes, or to obey the Holy Church. But since they reasoned that only Christ had come from God but Giod made brand new souls at the time of conception and only the Holy Church could bring these souls to God. Without the protection of the Empire or the gudance of the church, all people would be doomed to be forever cut off from God in Hell. This doctrine was very acceptabloe to the Emperor. Once Justinian understood the political danger inherent in Origen’s teachings, the rest was simply an Emperor doing what was in his best interest.
The council, as instructed by the Emperor, produced fourteen new anathemas and the very first one condemned reincarnation and the concept that souls pre-existed with God.
If anyone asserts the fabulous preexistence of souls, and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows from it: let him be anathema.

The Pope never signed the order, so technically it was never legal, but the Pope's signature was not needed.

[Tobi]

Mao ni bro ang early christian father nga nagtudlo ug reincarnation or preexistence! For your information and deeper study!


Origen (Greek: Ὠριγένης Ōrigénēs, or Origen Adamantius, ca. 185–ca. 254) was an early Christian scholar, theologian, and one of the most distinguished of the early fathers of the Christian Church. According to tradition, he is held to have been an Egyptian[1] who taught in Alexandria, reviving the Catechetical School of Alexandria where Clement of Alexandria had taught. The patriarch of Alexandria at first supported Origen but later expelled him for being ordained without the patriarch's permission. He relocated to Caesarea Maritima and died there[2] after being tortured during a persecution.
Using his knowledge of Hebrew, he produced a corrected Septuagint.[3] He wrote commentaries on all the books of the Bible.[3] In De principiis (On First Principles), he articulated the first philosophical exposition of Christian doctrine.[3] He interpreted scripture allegorically and showed himself to be a Neo-Pythagorean, and Neo-Platonist.[3] Like Plotinus, he wrote that the soul passes through successive stages of incarnation before eventually reaching God.[3] He imagined even demons being reunited with God. For Origen, God was the First Principle, and Christ, the Logos, was subordinate to him.[3] His views of a hierarchical structure in the Trinity, the temporality of matter, "the fabulous preexistence of souls," and "the monstrous restoration which follows from it" were declared anathema in the 6th century.[4]

early Christian father? si Origen? pwede bro muhatag ka ug biblical verse nga mu suporta aning Origen bro?

dili mana siya Christian bro...

[regnauld]

unsa man diay si origen muslim father? bwahahaha gipkatawa mo ako!

[Hellblazer 2.1]

hi tobs! miss me?

[regnauld]

hi tobs! miss me?

bro accrding to tobi dli kuno christian si origen? unsa man diay siya membro sa ADD? bwahahaha

[Tobi]

unsa man diay si origen muslim father? bwahahaha gipkatawa mo ako!

dili pud na siya Muslim father bro, kundi False Christian father...

dili mana siya tinuod nga Christian bro.