If there is no God, Who Governs Right or Wrong?

[Hellblazer 2.1]

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Bot what's this... is this the reason why you left WoW? To be defeated...? Your concession, considering that it is a debate of an atheist and a Catholic, can be interpreted by others, especially the agnostics, that the Catholic(Christian) church somehow has weak points and non-factual teachings.

But I don't know if you are a Catholic or not, but rest assured you are a Christian, still it is not healthy, your statement is not healthy.

at least he has the honor to accept defeat. i respect him. you should too, hands.

[kebot]

@That's not my point bot.

For me brad its not about winning, its about learning and using it in a constructive way... Yea hand sometimes i get tempted to respond.. what i did is write it down in a notepad and read my answer... it works for me...

You guys can try. Makes you happy, but not famous.

[Hellblazer 2.1]

Makes you happy, but not famous.

peaceful from within minus the conceit. i like it.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

To start with:

Christianity is based on the Teachings of Jesus and the Foundation of the LOVE of the Father.

RIGHT in Christianity is RIGHT WITH GOD.
- following Christ commandments is Absolutely Right for his followers, Morals are Preached all overThe Bible Starting in the BOOK of Genesis, but to make it short, You might start reading in the Book of ROMANS onwards. We know it is right because it is written in the hearts of men, then confirmed in his commandments.

The ultimate goal of Christianity is Glorify God. Christians follow the book of the New Testament and Use the Old Testament as the Fullfillment of his work and promise, in short a reflection of what is about to come. People who use the Old Testament are Judaism, and Seventh Day Adventist... (not confirmed) and others I do not know...

WRONG when it is against the Doctrine of Christianity.

The conscience alone can justify what is RIGHT and what is WRONG even in the absence of God and MAD MADE LAWS .

[handsoff241]

at least he has the honor to accept defeat. i respect him. you should too, hands.

Give that opportunity to me then.

The conscience alone can justify what is RIGHT and what is WRONG even in the absence of God and MAD MADE LAWS .

I do not wholly agree, conscience is sometimes affected by your knowledge of the environment(events, nature, people and everything) your conscience cannot decide if it is wrong or not when you do not know that it is wrong in the first place.

Example:

Macoy: Nas, e-yabo ni sa lababo.
Ako: *nikuha sa mura ug pitsel nga puno ug tubig*
Pagka-taod-taod...
Macoy: Diin nimo giyabo?
Ako: Sa lababo sa kusina.
Macoy: Holy water to oi! Adto sa lababo luyo sa sacristy dili sa kusina!

Question: Nakasala ko or wala?
Answer: My conscience never stoped me from throwing that holy water into the kitchen sink. Because I never knew it was holy water in the first place. And the "lababo" is not the "lababo" nga butangan nila sa holy water.

We need knowledge to govern what is right or wrong, and conscience to police us.

[handsoff241]

For me brad its not about winning, its about learning and using it in a constructive way... Yea hand sometimes i get tempted to respond.. what i did is write it down in a notepad and read my answer... it works for me...

You guys can try. Makes you happy, but not famous.

Again bot, that is not my point.
No one wins nor lose in a debate which includes faith, only changed minds.

And i'm concerned about the changed minds.

[kebot]

hehehe, paulbohon napod nato ato kaspa tanan.. hahaha! maybe not now kay bc pako work. hehehe!

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Give that opportunity to me then.
I do not wholly agree, conscience is sometimes affected by your knowledge of the environment(events, nature, people and everything) your conscience cannot decide if it is wrong or not when you do not know that it is wrong in the first place.

Lol ... everyone has a conscience as a guide of adjusting to levels of moral standards . Bisn pa sa pinaka oplok na tao , 1 need not know anything to have its CONSIENCE functional .

Example:

Macoy: Nas, e-yabo ni sa lababo.
Ako: *nikuha sa mura ug pitsel nga puno ug tubig*
Pagka-taod-taod...
Macoy: Diin nimo giyabo?
Ako: Sa lababo sa kusina.
Macoy: Holy water to oi! Adto sa lababo luyo sa sacristy dili sa kusina!

Question: Nakasala ko or wala?
Answer: My conscience never stoped me from throwing that holy water into the kitchen sink. Because I never knew it was holy water in the first place. And the "lababo" is not the "lababo" nga butangan nila sa holy water.

We need knowledge to govern what is right or wrong, and conscience to police us.

Bai ... what an example !! Conscience doesnt relate to KNOWLEDGE . Sa scenario nimo? It depends if nkasala o wala but then which law did you violate kung knowledge ang basehan ? which moral was stained kung konsensya basehan ?Wala . Give me a another scenario bai .

[LIBER777]

The conscience alone can justify what is RIGHT and what is WRONG even in the absence of God and MAD MADE LAWS .

hehehe HAPOS BOSING syaro.....

[tokidoki]

God does not govern right or wrong. SOCIETY defines right or wrong, which consequentially they govern. So if one society considers eating human feces as a sacred ritual it would then be WRONG to turn down NOT eating it. Gets? Whereas in a galaxy far, far away they consider feces as offensive and therefore defines it in THEIR society as WRONG. Naa ra gyud na diha mga brad. Dili ang ginoo mag buot unsay sakto/sayop. KITA nagbuot ana. Amen.