The Universe - is it Created? or by Chance?

[lindsey8383]

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According to my knowledge, although what i will share and contribute is not purely on factual basis but more basically on my opinion that the study of science in proportion with the discovery of Universe may only be 5 is to 100. so meaning universe is still so big, huge, vast and enormous. so what we have got now from science like the data, information they have gathered and supplied to us is still very limited. We still have to invent more equipments and technologies to go beyond the depth of universe..And no human could tell when is that and how to do that, it will still take generations to generations spending more time, efforts and money. So therefore I conclude that the power of God is infinite. Although our endeavors are ok but as of now for me, it's God over science.

[necrotic freak]

So unsa may beggining sa Universe? GINOO nimo? WAHAHAHHAAHHAHA! mata sa sa imong damgo.

I just notice, nga kung magkalawom na gali ang istoryahan, mokalit na lang ka ug katawa.
Please don't force yourself in understanding the topic, basin madayonan ka. =)

...it seems by chance tungab sa ko ug redhorse oi. pagkabugnaw..

[robert_papalid_ece]

^ ako sad bru! dungan tah! gulp gulp gulp...

[GuyOfYourDreams]

lisuda pud oie wala'y Bible basis.. heheh

[schmuck]

I don't see any theological significance with the LHC.
The Large Hadron Collider is intented to test various predictions of high-energy physics, including the existence of the hypthesized Higgs boson, or the so-called "God Particle".

While use of this term may have contributed to increased media interest in particle physics and the Large Hadron Collider, many scientists dislike it as overstating the importance of the particle.
In a renaming competition, a jury of physicists chose the name "the champagne bottle boson" as the best popular name.
Higgs boson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Its funny how novelist like Dan Brown use these experiments to stir up the curiousity of people.
(Hinuon, ka-kwarta jud cya anang mga novel niya).
The novel Angels & Demons, by Dan Brown, involves antimatter created at the LHC to be used in a weapon against the Vatican. In response CERN published a "Fact or Fiction?" page discussing the accuracy of the book's portrayal of the LHC, CERN, and particle physics in general.
CERN - Spotlight: Angels and Demons

The movie version of the book has footage filmed on-site at one of the experiments at the LHC; the director, Ron Howard, met with CERN experts in an effort to make the science in the story more accurate.

So the CERN is true, the only twist was when the Vatican was in chaos because of the new discovery.
In reality, it does not have any theological significance.

Mulikoy lagi sa movies. Talk about constructing a strawman. Attacking said strawman. "Defeat" the strawman. Then make it appear that the original argument was debunked. L.O.L.

Doi if ma separate ang particles and loss of energy is detected, this means nga ang true ang prediction sa String Theory nga ang graviton is able to move through branes(think dimensions). What that means is, tinoud nga there are more than 3+1(time) dimensions. But don't take my word for it, look it up for yourself.

Not only is there no evidence, the physics of our own universe requires that we will never be able to obtain any evidence about any other universe (even if it does exist).
How can we look beyond our space-time dimension? It would take a God for us to do that.

When the extra dimensions are proven, what happens to your claim then?

[redhorse1L]

Mulikoy lagi sa movies. Talk about constructing a strawman. Attacking said strawman. "Defeat" the strawman. Then make it appear that the original argument was debunked. L.O.L.

Doi if ma separate ang particles and loss of energy is detected, this means nga ang true ang prediction sa String Theory nga ang graviton is able to move through branes(think dimensions). What that means is, tinoud nga there are more than 3+1(time) dimensions. But don't take my word for it, look it up for yourself.


When the extra dimensions are proven, what happens to your claim then?

Sorry, my statements were unclear.
What I mean is "going beyond(escape) space and time (Universe)".
Of course I'm open with the idea of "extra dimensions" as the String Theory suggest.

But again, as I stated, the output of these experiments won't have theological significance.

[schmuck]

Sorry, my statements were unclear.
What I mean is "going beyond(escape) space and time (Universe)".
Of course I'm open with the idea of "extra dimensions" as the String Theory suggest.

But again, as I stated, the output of these experiments won't have theological significance.

Oh yah, you're right. I forgot the god hypothesis was unfalsifiable. If only it could be proven instead of relying on NOT being falsified though...

[cobraKing]

lisuda pud oie wala'y Bible basis.. heheh

mangita sa ko bro..

[redhorse1L]

Oh yah, you're right. I forgot the god hypothesis was unfalsifiable. If only it could be proven instead of relying on NOT being falsified though...

Please remember that my stand does not rely on God as NOT unfalsifiable.
On a theoretical point of view, I'm only comparing the Multiverse hypothesis and "God hypothesis", and I believe that the latter has the more plausible explanation.

What my stand is, that there are good reasons why I believe in a Creator that is beyond our natural world.
1. The beginning of the Universe from nothing points on a Creator that is beyond space and time.
2. The fine tuning of the Universe dictates an Intelligent Designer.
3. The presence of Life considering a lifeless Universe demands a Giver of Life.

Any naturalistic theories or hypotheses doesn't seem to provide a good explanation for all these.

And finally, I don't believe that the human being, the only rational species on the planet, was just a product of evolutionary accident.
Me, as a person, a self-conscious being, with the ability to do whatever I want on my own freewill, even gives a big question on where it came from. As we are not dictated by mere animal instinct.

For all of these, I believe that Theism is the more plausible world view.

[schmuck]

Please remember that my stand does not rely on God as NOT unfalsifiable.
On a theoretical point of view, I'm only comparing the Multiverse hypothesis and "God hypothesis", and I believe that the latter has the more plausible explanation.

What my stand is, that there are good reasons why I believe in a Creator that is beyond our natural world.
1. The beginning of the Universe from nothing points on a Creator that is beyond space and time.
2. The fine tuning of the Universe dictates an Intelligent Designer.
3. The presence of Life considering a lifeless Universe demands a Giver of Life.

Any naturalistic theories or hypotheses doesn't seem to provide a good explanation for all these.

And finally, I don't believe that the human being, the only rational species on the planet, was just a product of evolutionary accident.
Me, as a person, a self-conscious being, with the ability to do whatever I want on my own freewill, even gives a big question on where it came from. As we are not dictated by mere animal instinct.

For all of these, I believe that Theism is the more plausible world view.

1. Baseless assumption
2. Baseless assumption
3. Baseless assumption

Does not rely on God as NOT unfalsifiable? Explain how your 3 assumptions can be falsified.