If there is no God, Who Governs Right or Wrong?

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mao na ni ron, pataka nag pagarps.
first of all, as my OBSERVATION:most religious countries...well you'll find these countries are on the brink of poverty, high crime rate, and corrupt.

take note, religious...dili kay naa lay religion.

second, its not me but you who is appealing/ADVERTISING nga "most livable countries=naaay religion=take that atheist scum"



you forgot to mention, 87% lutherans nga...same with norway majority sa ila lutherans pod. BUT
from church of norway site:Church of Norway


INACTIVE mostly ang members. irreligious theism read about it.



let me refresh your memory, kabahin ug RIGHT and WRONG man kaha. ayaw na kawala ha.
your words: page 2, post #20 reference

(like the kill your first born son orders from above thingy)
note: before you TRUST the word of your GOD...you'd have to TRUST in the words of MEN first. same MEN who lie and cheat.

if you are so proud and mighty about god and religion, how come the religious majority keep screwing up things lately? ever thought about that?

being religious and being PART of a religion is different, varying DEGREES of enthusiasm. either way...if you are a religious person, it doesnt mean your a GOOD person. hypocrites like you and those that go BOOOOOM!! says otherwise.

Wow, gud you evade but its part of discussion. When you talk about religion we are not making exceptions either religious or not right? don't make exception in this case because you are thinking athiesm is the way to go meaning either have religion or not. Because they are inactive does not mean they are athiest right?

These two countries you said are not religious, I give you 8, you are still not majority. So my claim still stands. Brad because you protest the two does not mean you protest all? I don't care the words of men. They were never reliable to me... I guess we can discuss more... but I want you to prove that this religion is bad for country as a whole.

You see, When God said Love one another, why do men have to rephrase it? Varying Degrees? hahaa so you go on with religion now? to me brad there is no one righteous not even you. Hipikrit na kung hipokrit brad but ayaw pataka claim. Kay imo tubag walay gyuy sa ATHIESM. You want me to post a new thread about athiesm? I can do that. TAKE THIS PARA MA STR8 imo thinking. COMMUNIST COUNTRIES FORCE ATHIESM, HOW FAR THEY HAVE COME? NORTH KOREA? LAOS? ayaw ko ingna brad athiesm is the way to go because it is still syet.

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If there is no God, Who Governs Right or Wrong?

ang mga tao maoy nag himo sa ideas nga right ug wrong, ang mga tao maoy nahimo sa standards, nag define unsay maayo ug di maayo.
nganong nag himo man og standards of right and wrong ang mga tao?
1. kay socially useful ang moral standards.
2. kay naay mga tao nga malipay kun maka judge sila sa ilang isigka-tao. mo feel silang self-righteous kun ilang ma labelled ang ilang isigka tao nga "wrong," "bad", "immoral," etc.

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Or to sum it up... society.

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ang mga tao maoy nag himo sa ideas nga right ug wrong, ang mga tao maoy nahimo sa standards, nag define unsay maayo ug di maayo.
nganong nag himo man og standards of right and wrong ang mga tao?
1. kay socially useful ang moral standards.
2. kay naay mga tao nga malipay kun maka judge sila sa ilang isigka-tao. mo feel silang self-righteous kun ilang ma labelled ang ilang isigka tao nga "wrong," "bad", "immoral," etc.

This is where the confusion is, you see when you judge someone, it might be wrong to him but right for you. If both of you argue then there is no decision. It will remain a stealmate... y because both of you do not have a solid line how right is defined from wrong. That is why ato balaud daghan kaau mo abusar because they know they can hide somewhere.

For Instance why these "state criminals" maka dagan man og position sa gobyerno nato. Isn't it a conflict of interest... TRILLIANES SENADOR naa sa prisohan? I mean its hard to distinguish if people who calls the rules are compromised already... My point is how can he serve his sentence when the people in Jail is under his command (theoritically). This is just my opinion only.

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Wow, gud you evade but its part of discussion. When you talk about religion we are not making exceptions either religious or not right? don't make exception in this case because you are thinking athiesm is the way to go meaning either have religion or not. Because they are inactive does not mean they are athiest right?

These two countries you said are not religious, I give you 8, you are still not majority. So my claim still stands. Brad because you protest the two does not mean you protest all? I don't care the words of men. They were never reliable to me... I guess we can discuss more... but I want you to prove that this religion is bad for country as a whole.

You see, When God said Love one another, why do men have to rephrase it? Varying Degrees? hahaa so you go on with religion now? to me brad there is no one righteous not even you. Hipikrit na kung hipokrit brad but ayaw pataka claim. Kay imo tubag walay gyuy sa ATHIESM. You want me to post a new thread about athiesm? I can do that. TAKE THIS PARA MA STR8 imo thinking. COMMUNIST COUNTRIES FORCE ATHIESM, HOW FAR THEY HAVE COME? NORTH KOREA? LAOS? ayaw ko ingna brad athiesm is the way to go because it is still syet.

lolz ako pa ang ni evade. projecting are we?

When you talk about religion we are not making exceptions either religious or not right? don't make exception in this case because you are thinking athiesm is the way to go meaning either have religion or not. Because they are inactive does not mean they are athiest right?

first of all, a country with religion doesnt really mean its a religious country. you failed to realize that in the first place.

second...bullcrap 101, stop putting words in my mouth. this wasnt about ATHEISM. this was about RELIGION's effectiveness/EFFICACY regarding RIGHT and WRONG...una nimong reaction, palaban ka sa "most livable countries" you brought that one up not me. you were so pre-occupied with disgust regarding atheism you forgot about the real ISSUE.

INACTIVE means not active, just like your common NPC/non practicing catholics. but regarding sweden and norway you have to put their PAGAN roots in the equation. there is a revival happening there, such beliefs are no longer deemed UNDERGROUND(if you've read the link i provided you'd know this)
this is just similar to your common NPC's/ non-practicing-catholics, irreligious theism. or as my personal definition dictates: THEISTS fed up with religious attachment. note: these guys aint ATHEIST...and the best part is, they are not FUNDIES either.

These two countries you said are not religious, I give you 8, you are still not majority. So my claim still stands. Brad because you protest the two does not mean you protest all? I don't care the words of men. They were never reliable to me... I guess we can discuss more... but I want you to prove that this religion is bad for country as a whole.

your claim? which was religion that made them "top most livable" place. far out.

I don't care the words of men. They were never reliable to me...

your GOD's words doesnt come from him/her/it directly, its not really a PRIMARY source...always a secondary...god sez according to...

but I want you to prove that this religion is bad for country as a whole.

again, stop putting words in my mouth. since when did i say religion is BAD?? pagarps.
i was implying its INEFFECTIVENESS.

You see, When God said Love one another, why do men have to rephrase it? Varying Degrees? hahaa so you go on with religion now? to me brad there is no one righteous not even you. Hipikrit na kung hipokrit brad but ayaw pataka claim. Kay imo tubag walay gyuy sa ATHIESM. You want me to post a new thread about athiesm? I can do that. TAKE THIS PARA MA STR8 imo thinking. COMMUNIST COUNTRIES FORCE ATHIESM, HOW FAR THEY HAVE COME? NORTH KOREA? LAOS? ayaw ko ingna brad athiesm is the way to go because it is still syet

when bible god said love one another, i never thought you could color the rivers with blood just to make a point such as "god loves you, now convert or die" during religious atrocities.
and puhhhlease, THEISM is to ATHEISM. you are comparing your religion, a subset/subcategory under theism to atheism. talk about comparing apples and bananas. you really have no idea what you are talking about.

COMMUNIST COUNTRIES FORCE ATHIESM, HOW FAR THEY HAVE COME? NORTH KOREA? LAOS? ayaw ko ingna brad athiesm is the way to go because it is still syet

you forgot 1 significant detail, da da da communists didnt KILL IN THE NAME OF ATHEISM.
how many lives lost in the name of GOD?

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long pause... omg... go to read carefully.. pls give me time to respond.. need to do some research... this is quite long and a very gud argument...


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MONSTER - imo man cguro ko patyon, matagbaw man ta nimo tubag oi...

Anyways here is my counter. Please don't deny ha... aminin.

1. first of all, a country with religion doesnt really mean its a religious country. you failed to realize that in the first place.

THis is what you said:
can you spot any significant observations? most religious countries...well you'll find these countries are on the brink of poverty, high crime rate, and corrupt. RIGHT or WRONG you ask? religion is either ineffective or just plain dud. its not the religion's fault by the way, its the hands pulling its strings...MEN, not GOD
-you said this.

I answered you with the livable cities. Correction Its not me who brougth this things ITS YOU.

SOurce:
https://www.istorya.net/forums/spirit...r-wrong-4.html
YOUR SECOND POSTS. <------- now YOU LIED <-------fail
So far you only argue SWEDEN and NORWAY <-------fail again, you cannot even disprove the others.
Tell you what I havent POSTED IRELAND and o yea mag patay mga katoliko dd2 og protestante. RELIGIOUS? kaayo.

"country with religion doesnt really mean its a religious country" -this is not the point, you blame religion of poverty right? Well I said religion has nothing to do with what you claim.


2. I Just Given you PROTESTANT/LUTHERAN COUNTRIES. I Havent Included Others. Mahurot na imo buhog cge research.

3. "your GOD's words doesnt come from him/her/it directly, its not really a PRIMARY source...always a secondary...god sez according to..."
Same Answer: I don't care the words of men. They were never reliable to me... (Don't bother to reply on this this personal subject to my own freewill)

4. "again, stop putting words in my mouth. since when did i say religion is BAD?? pagarps.
i was implying its INEFFECTIVENESS"

You SAID:
"well you'll find these countries are on the brink of poverty, high crime rate, and corrupt"
I hope your definition of BAD is the same as mine...

kinsay pagarps? hahaha, get real brad.


5. Your accusation is: "god loves you, now convert or die".
Analogy,

Naa mi Boss Ikaw WALA. <-- our boss is God, ikaw... i dont care whatever not important
Ingon amo boss sultian ka na
Ganahan unta ako boss na Adapon ka like us (Christians). <------- he said he loves you
Ihatag ka niya og laing tawo <----------- kuyog mo ni toot... you know what i mean.

Moral of the Analogy: nano masuko man ka namo, we are like a messenger telling you what is about to come upon you. If you don't believe do you "DIE"?

But what you are trying to say is that we messenger is forcing you. Well I don't, again I dont care. So, I say walay namugos nmo dodong. Relax ka lang... d nani pareha sa una na limited pa information. Information age nata OK. so settle nata ana.

6. "you forgot 1 significant detail, da da da communists didnt KILL IN THE NAME OF ATHEISM. how many lives lost in the name of GOD?"

Yes, people died of Religion. But they die because of thier choice.
Communism kills because they don't have a choice ingon man ilang bossing. Brad remember this people are Athiest.

Pili lang brad mamatay ka sa imo faith or mamatay na walay rason.

Brad isa isa lang ato storyahan hurot ako oras aning imong style da.. hahaha, but ok lang.

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MONSTER - imo man cguro ko patyon, matagbaw man ta nimo tubag oi...

Anyways here is my counter. Please don't deny ha... aminin.

1. first of all, a country with religion doesnt really mean its a religious country. you failed to realize that in the first place.

THis is what you said:
can you spot any significant observations? most religious countries...well you'll find these countries are on the brink of poverty, high crime rate, and corrupt. RIGHT or WRONG you ask? religion is either ineffective or just plain dud. its not the religion's fault by the way, its the hands pulling its strings...MEN, not GOD
-you said this.

I answered you with the livable cities. Correction Its not me who brougth this things ITS YOU.

please improve your comprehension skills. palihug lang.
what has the most livable cities got to do regarding my post about religion and RIGHT and WRONG.

SOurce:
https://www.istorya.net/forums/spirit...r-wrong-4.html
YOUR SECOND POSTS. <------- now YOU LIED <-------fail
So far you only argue SWEDEN and NORWAY <-------fail again, you cannot even disprove the others.
Tell you what I havent POSTED IRELAND and o yea mag patay mga katoliko dd2 og protestante. RELIGIOUS? kaayo.

"country with religion doesnt really mean its a religious country" -this is not the point, you blame religion of poverty right? Well I said religion has nothing to do with what you claim.

i blame religion?? stop putting words in my mouth. such slanderous is not expected from a christian, so i thought. refer to my first POST, as an observation sabi ko...

i dont have to disprove the others, sweden and norway alone counts against you. nor the rest of the list. if religiosity determines most livable places, how come PINAS and countless others are not.

2. I Just Given you PROTESTANT/LUTHERAN COUNTRIES. I Havent Included Others. Mahurot na imo buhog cge research.

who's majority members are INACTIVE. and you dare count this countries as RELIGIOUS countries. ASA?

3. "your GOD's words doesnt come from him/her/it directly, its not really a PRIMARY source...always a secondary...god sez according to..."
Same Answer: I don't care the words of men. They were never reliable to me... (Don't bother to reply on this this personal subject to my own freewill)

unfortunately your god didnt write the bible did he?she?it? such literature is from words of MEN.

You SAID:
"well you'll find these countries are on the brink of poverty, high crime rate, and corrupt"
I hope your definition of BAD is the same as mine...

such countries like the Philippines. does that mean living in PINAS is BAD? lulz
ikaw ray ga una una ug react about religion is BAD just because wala ko ni agree. lulz

5. Your accusation is: "god loves you, now convert or die".
Analogy,

Naa mi Boss Ikaw WALA. <-- our boss is God, ikaw... i dont care whatever not important
Ingon amo boss sultian ka na
Ganahan unta ako boss na Adapon ka like us (Christians). <------- he said he loves you
Ihatag ka niya og laing tawo <----------- kuyog mo ni toot... you know what i mean.

Moral of the Analogy: nano masuko man ka namo, we are like a messenger telling you what is about to come upon you. If you don't believe do you "DIE"?

But what you are trying to say is that we messenger is forcing you. Well I don't, again I dont care. So, I say walay namugos nmo dodong. Relax ka lang... d nani pareha sa una na limited pa information. Information age nata OK. so settle nata ana.

poor analogy. does that warrant you to MOCK other beliefs such as that new age movent just to make your SUKI look good? nag mamalinis ka pa.

6. "you forgot 1 significant detail, da da da communists didnt KILL IN THE NAME OF ATHEISM. how many lives lost in the name of GOD?"

Yes, people died of Religion. But they die because of thier choice.
Communism kills because they don't have a choice ingon man ilang bossing. Brad remember this people are Athiest.

Pili lang brad mamatay ka sa imo faith or mamatay na walay rason.

Brad isa isa lang ato storyahan hurot ako oras aning imong style da.. hahaha, but ok lang.

which do you think is more dangerous...
a nutjob atheist who tells you to kill for his selfish cause?
or a nutjob believer who tells you to kill because GOD WILLS IT/GOD's cause?<---which goes back to the question:

"Does God saying something is right make it right?"

if the answer is "yes" then God is arbitrary, and thus not loving, and if the answer is "No" then right and wrong had to exist prior to God and He is not all powerful.

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." - Numbers 31:17 (Moses, advocating genocide, child murder and the rape of young virgins)

does that sound right to you?