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  1. #101

    Quote Originally Posted by slabdans View Post
    bitaw bro sakto gyud...dili man lang ni para ato...para man ni sa uban readers nga nag subscribe diri...bahala sige lang gud sila tan-aw2x basa2x agi2x ug unsa pa diha hehehe
    sakto sad ka bro @slab. kay preha nako
    tan-aw2x basa2x agi2x ug unsa pa diha hehehe
    . pero usahay matay-og sad akoang huyang nga pagtou labi na makabasa mga preha ani ako nabasahan sa lain thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mandirigma View Post
    I made this with an intention of bringing out to the light what most of us are afraid to admit . We don't talk much about it, like in my church I seldom hear people talk about this. Our pastors or priests avoid serving this kind of topic in their respective pulpit. There are few I heard but presents only the Christian apologists point of view and barely mentions the side that questions the validity of biblical inerrancy.

    So this place serves as a platform for us to discuss both sides, and pls let us be honest. The bible has errors I mean the bible that we have now not the autographs. There are words that were manipulated by some scholars who are bias to their own theological affiliation.

    here is one example...

    Matthew 6:11------------> "give us this day our _________ bread"

    is it "DAILY" or something else? let's examine the greek. The word is "
    ἐπιούσιος (epi-OO-sea-os)" .



    let me quote my source....


    The Greek splits into two parts: ?ἐπι-? (epi) is a common prefix in Greek that means upon, or over, and by analogy ?
    "beyond?", "more-than". We have it in our word "epidemic"1 where -demic is again related to a Greek root meaning people (c.f. words such as demographics or democracy).

    The second part of the word "-ούσιος".... is a common morpheme in Greek with meanings of "substance". Hence the debate in the early church between whether Jesus and God were "homo-ousios": of the same substance .
    So using this analysis, we get ...Give us this day our super-substantial bread?.

    And this is exactly how it was translated in the Latin Vulgate ("supersubstantialem"), and in some of the earliest English bibles. But, of course, if you are a protestant, "super-substantial bread" is unacceptably reminiscent of "trans-substantial bread". And Jesus praying a Catholic prayer? Unconscionable!



    so why is it that we have some translations that says DAILY?



    off topic: ako lang ni e share nga video ha nice man kaayo gud

    A Girl's Message To All Christians - YouTube
    Quote Originally Posted by Mandirigma View Post
    so unsa may stand nimo ani?

    ang ponto nako ani bro is nganong di man klaro? if guided ni sa Holy Spirit nganong lain lain man ang pagka translate? di na nato ni malikayan bai og di na nato ni malimod nga duna jud lahi lahi nga translation.
    puna-an pa gyud mga ing-ani:
    Quote Originally Posted by bleedingboi View Post
    2 Samuel 24:1 >>>>>>> In Samuel, God moves David to take a census.



    1 Chronicles 21:1. >>>>>>> In Chronicles, SATAN moves David to take a census.
    makapangutana sad ko usahay nga "unsa gyud kahay tinoud noh?" kamo mga brad naa moy mga husay aning mga pontoha?

  2. #102
    @MasterK

    sayon ra man na...naa may daghan translation sa bible...pde nimo kuha-on didto ang mga translation; dili man ta mga master sa pag translate an from original language sa bible to our language...so ang imo buhaton i compare na lng gikan sa uban pang mga translation


    sample: sa mga versions diha nimo makita ang pagka parehas sa mga translation

    Matthew 6:11
    English Standard Version (ESV)
    11 Give us this day our daily bread,[a]


    Matthew 6:11
    21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
    11 Give us this day our daily bread.


    Matthew 6:11
    Common English Bible (CEB)
    11 Give us the bread we need for today.


    Matthew 6:11
    King James Version (KJV)
    11 Give us this day our daily bread.
    Last edited by slabdans; 12-26-2012 at 11:20 AM.

  3. #103
    so this is just anothr claims by another group of christians.. the name Smith just crossed my mine.
    Last edited by elvandesantos; 12-26-2012 at 07:51 PM.

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by slabdans View Post
    @MasterK

    sayon ra man na...naa may daghan translation sa bible...pde nimo kuha-on didto ang mga translation; dili man ta mga master sa pag translate an from original language sa bible to our language...so ang imo buhaton i compare na lng gikan sa uban pang mga translation


    sample: sa mga versions diha nimo makita ang pagka parehas sa mga translation

    Matthew 6:11
    English Standard Version (ESV)
    11 Give us this day our daily bread,[a]


    Matthew 6:11
    21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
    11 Give us this day our daily bread.


    Matthew 6:11
    Common English Bible (CEB)
    11 Give us the bread we need for today.


    Matthew 6:11
    King James Version (KJV)
    11 Give us this day our daily bread.
    nag pa sweto sweto na pod ay. haahaha, ka naive nimo og explanation.

  5. #105
    @masterk

    pero usahay matay-og sad akoang huyang nga pagtou labi na makabasa mga preha ani ako nabasahan sa lain thread:
    makapangutana sad ko usahay nga "unsa gyud kahay tinoud noh?" kamo mga brad naa moy mga husay aning mga pontoha?
    Bro, kita ra jud ang nagdala sa atong pagtuo ug relasyon sa Ginoo. Gihatagan nata niya sa tanang means (our consciousness, intellect, freewill, the creations, His word, Jesus Christ) unsaon pag exercise sa atong faith para moila sa iyaha…ang perfect nga state bro nga wala nay kalibog, questions, doubts is when we will be with GOD in eternity.

    This is a very minor thing compared to the truth of who Jesus Christ is! atong sabton nga ang nagsulat anang mga libro sa bible dili scholars, most probably ilang magamit nga vocabulary are simple ones. In ana ka simple but if the scriptures dili pa inspired sa Holy Spirit bro dugay nanang nahanaw.

    Most of us tingali niagi ani nga stage where atong faith ma shaken especially if we encounter other religious worldviews nga naa sai convincing ideas. Nevertheless, the truth will always set us free….let's try to learn more about the Christian faith from those notable Christian leaders, scholars and other doctors of the faith of why they remain firm and have concluded Christianity/Jesus Christ is the ONLY HOPE for mankind.

    Kani lang i-consider bro, what if wala si Jesus Christ nagpakamatay para lang ta maluwas? There will be no salvation and we wouldn’t have any other hope when we die apart sa iyaha. Life and our existence will be of less value and meaning then.....

    Most of our questions bro, gi address ani nila…hope this will strengthen our faith!

    Just Thinking Broadcasts | RZIM

    Most importantly, pray and ask God's guidance....
    This verse is very true to me and which i think is the key unsaon nato pag ila maayo sa iyaha bro....

    James 4:8
    "Draw nigh to God and he will draw nigh to you."
    God bless!
    Last edited by Breakeven; 12-26-2012 at 03:56 PM.

  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Breakeven View Post
    unsa man nga pagtuo bro sa kalibutan nga dili na angayan depensaan? Unsa diay tawag nimo aning imong gibuhat diri nga bisan ikaw ra usa naningkamot jud maayo nga mapasabot ang imong occult belief?
    di man depensa bro, sharing ra man na ug knowledge then explain lng pud ginagmay ug dinagko. i don't even feel nga naka attack mo, ky you don't know man what you are trying to attack, so wai depensa nga nahitabo. Wai makahilabot sa knowledge sa usa ka tawo bro. pero tanan nga belief/faith, pwede kaayo attakihon, but i am not doing that as well. only that ang akong gipangshare diri lahi sa inyoha naa lng conflict. Pero kung kasabot ka nga lahi lahi ang dalan nga gisubay sa mga tawo padulong sa Ginoo, dili ra unta mo matandog ug modepensa pa sa inyong faith. Naay mga tawo nagsubay sa dalan nga Kristyanismo, naay mga studyante, naay mga Muslim, Buddist, ug uban pa.

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Mandirigma View Post
    nag pa sweto sweto na pod ay. haahaha, ka naive nimo og explanation.
    wala ko nagpa sweto2x wala ka kakita sa akong comment? dili man ta mga master sa pag translate... klaro kaayo ka oi...ang imo lang maabulag

    kinsa may naive natong duha ron? makasabot di ie kag greek?
    Last edited by slabdans; 12-26-2012 at 06:09 PM.

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by jovipeorliohacokijo View Post
    di man depensa bro, sharing ra man na ug knowledge then explain lng pud ginagmay ug dinagko. i don't even feel nga naka attack mo, ky you don't know man what you are trying to attack, so wai depensa nga nahitabo. Wai makahilabot sa knowledge sa usa ka tawo bro. pero tanan nga belief/faith, pwede kaayo attakihon, but i am not doing that as well. only that ang akong gipangshare diri lahi sa inyoha naa lng conflict. Pero kung kasabot ka nga lahi lahi ang dalan nga gisubay sa mga tawo padulong sa Ginoo, dili ra unta mo matandog ug modepensa pa sa inyong faith. Naay mga tawo nagsubay sa dalan nga Kristyanismo, naay mga studyante, naay mga Muslim, Buddist, ug uban pa.
    wala may problema jovi kung sharing lang ang imong gusto...pero nisulti ka nga fake mi...tan-aw nimo sharing pa na?

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by slabdans View Post
    mao lage Jovi...ngano kaha wa man kabantay si pedro sa mga boslot ni pablo
    tungod ky dili pareha ug kalidad si Pedro ug si Jesus. Kung nag-abot pa si Jesus ug si Saul, seguro dili siya makalusot. Dili niya unta magamit ang Kristyanismo. seguro si Paul mismo ang nag persecute ni Jesus, nya kalit lng siya nausab, nakaamgo unya nanudlo about sa gitudlo iyang nga persecute, pero tuhu-an lng gihapon. sayon ra man gud linglahon ang tao sa mga too too lng. vulnerable ra kaayo ang mind sa tao ana.

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by slabdans View Post
    wala may problema jovi kung sharing lang ang imong gusto...pero nisulti ka nga fake mi...tan-aw nimo sharing pa na?
    pasensya na bro, nadala ra ko tungod sa kadaghan ninyo hehehe. para nako, lahi lahi lng gyud ta. kung unsa akong nahibaw-an about sa inyoha, ako ako na lng na. dili nako mugamit ug fake, lahi nga version nga Christianity na lng, Paulian Version, ky ang 1st Version kang Jesus man.

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