The Only Source of Truth?

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you like me to answer it? basin ma scandalize ang christianity?

Reg, tingklase na man maong nabahin imung panghuna-huna, dili na mao akong gipasabot.

[regnauld]

"God's being (TRUTH) is my life, but if it is so, then what is God's must be mine and what is mine God's. God's is-ness is my is-ness, and neither more nor less. The just live eternally with God, on a par with God, neither deeper nor higher. All their work is done by God and God's by them."- MEISTER ECKART

[regnauld]

Natchiketas: Historys first seeker of truth


The Ten Principle Upanishads Book 1

May He protect us both. May He take pleasure in us both. May we show courage together. May spiritual knowledge shine before us. May we never hate one another. May peace and peace be everywhere.
Wajashrawas, wanting heaven, gave away all his property.
He had a son by name Nachiketas. While the gifts were passing, Nachiketas, though but a boy, thought to himself:
'He has not earned much of a heaven; his cows can neither eat, drink, calve nor give milk.'
He went to his father and said: 'Father, have you given me to somebody?' He repeated the question a second and a third time; at last his father said: 'I give you to Death.'
Nachiketas thought: 'Whether I die now or later matters little; but what I would like to know is what happens if Death gets me now.'
Wajashrawas would have taken back his words but Nachiketas said: 'Think of those who went before, those that will come after: their word their bond. Man dies and is born again like a blade of grass.'
Nachiketas went into the forest and sat in meditation within the house of Death. When Death appeared his servant said: 'Lord! When a holy man enters a house as guest it is as if Fire entered. The wise man cools him down. So please give him water.
'If a holy man comes into a fool's house and is given nothing, the fool's family, public and private life, ambitions, reputation, property, hopes, alliances, all suffer.'
Thereupon Death said to Nachiketas: 'A guest should be respected; you have lived three days in my house without eating and drinking. I bow to you, holy man! Take from me three gifts and I shall be the better for it.'
Nachiketas said: 'I will take as my first gift that I may be reconciled to my father; that he may be happy; that he may keep no grudge against me but make me welcome.'
Death said: 'I shall so arrange things, that when your father gets you back he shall sleep well at night, his grudge forgotten and love you as before.'
Nachiketas said: 'There is no fear in the Kingdom of Heaven; because you are not there, nobody there is afraid of old age; man is beyond hunger, thirst and sorrow.
'Death! you know what Fire leads to heaven, show it, I am full of faith. I ask that Fire as my second gift.'
Death said: 'I will explain it, listen. Find the rock and conquer unmeasured worlds. Listen, for this came out of the cavern.'
Death told him that out of Fire comes this world, what bricks and how many go to the altar, how best to build it. Nachiketas repeated all, Death encouraged ran on:
'I give you another gift. This Fire shall be called by your name.
'Count the links of the chain: worship the triple Fire: gnosis, meditation, practice; the triple process: evidence, inference, experience; the triple duty: study, concentration, renunciation; understand that everything comes from Spirit, that Spirit alone is sought and found; attain everlasting peace; mount beyond birth and death.
'When man understands himself, understands universal Self, the union of the two, kindles the triple Fire, offers the sacrifice; then shall he, though still on earth, break the bonds of death, beyond sorrow, mount into heaven.
'This Fire that leads to heaven is your second gift, Nachiketas! It shall be named after you. Now choose again, choose the third gift.'
Nachiketas said: 'Some say that when man dies he continues to exist, others that he does not. Explain, and that shall be my third gift.'
Death said: 'This question has been discussed by the gods, it is deep and difficult. Choose another gift, Nachiketas! Do not be hard. Do not compel me to explain.'
Nachiketas said: 'Death! you say that the gods have discussed it, that it is deep and difficult; what explanation can be as good as yours? What gift compares with that?'
Death said: 'Take sons and grandsons, all long-lived, cattle and horses, elephants and gold, take a great kingdom.
'Anything but this; wealth, long life, Nachiketas! empire, anything whatever; satisfy the heart's desire.
'Pleasures beyond human reach, fine women with carriages, their musical instruments; mount beyond dreams; enjoy. But do not ask what lies beyond death.'
Nachiketas said: 'Destroyer of man! these things pass. Joy ends enjoyment, the longest life is short. Keep those horses, keep singing and dancing, keep it all for yourself.
'Wealth cannot satisfy a man. If he but please you, Master of All, he can live as long as he likes, get all that he likes; but I will not change my gift.
'What man, subject to death and decay, getting the chance of undecaying life, would still enjoy mere long life, thinking of copulation and beauty.
'Say where man goes after death; end all that discussion. This, which you have made so mysterious, is the only gift I will take.'
Death said: 'The good is one, the pleasant another; both command the soul. Who follows the good, attains sanctity; who follows the pleasant, drops out of the race.
'Every man faces both. The mind of the wise man draws him to the good, the flesh of the fool drives him to the pleasant.
'Nachiketas! Having examined the pleasures you have rejected them; turned from the vortex of life and death.
'Diverging roads: one called ignorance, the other wisdom. Rejecting images of pleasure, Nachiketas! you turn towards wisdom.
'Fools brag of their knowledge; proud, ignorant, dissolving, blind led by the blind, staggering to and fro.
'What can the money-maddened simpleton know of the future? "This is the only world" cries he; because he thinks there is no other I kill him again and again.
'Some have never heard of the Self, some have heard but cannot find Him. Who finds Him is a world's wonder, who expounds Him is a world's wonder, who inherits Him from his Master is a world's wonder.
'No man of common mind can teach Him; such men dispute one against another. But when the uncommon man speaks, dispute is over. Because the Self is a fine substance, He slips from the mind and deludes imagination.
'Beloved! Logic brings no man to the Self. Yet when a wise man shows Him, He is found. Your longing eyes are turned towards reality. Would that I had always such a pupil.
'Because man cannot find the Eternal through passing pleasure, I have sought the Fire in these pleasures and, worshipping that alone, found the Eternal.
'Nachiketas! The fulfillment of all desire, the conquest of the world, freedom from fear, unlimited pleasure, magical power, all were yours but you renounced them all, brave and wise man.
'The wise, meditating on God, concentrating their thought, discovering in the mouth of the cavern, deeper in the cavern, that Self, that ancient Self, difficult to imagine, more difficult to understand, pass beyond joy and sorrow.
'The man that, hearing from the Teacher and comprehending, distinguishes nature from the Self, goes to the source; that man attains joy, lives for ever in that joy. I think, Nachiketas! your gates of joy stand open.'
Nachiketas asked: 'What lies beyond right and wrong, beyond cause and effect, beyond past and future?'
Death said: 'The word the Wedas extol, austerities proclaim, sanctities approach - that word is Om.
'That word is eternal Spirit, eternal distance; who knows it attains to his desire.
'That word is the ultimate foundation. Who finds it is adored among the saints.
'The Self knows all, is not born, does not die, is not the effect of any cause; is eternal, self-existent, imperishable, ancient. How can the killing of the body kill Him?
'He who thinks that He kills, he who thinks that He is killed, is ignorant. He does not kill nor is He is killed.
'The Self is lesser than the least, greater than the greatest. He lives in all hearts. When senses are at rest, free from desire, man finds Him and mounts beyond sorrow.
'Though sitting, He travels; though sleeping is everywhere. Who but I Death can understand that God is beyond happiness and sorrow.
'Who knows the Self, bodiless among the embodied, unchanging among the changing, prevalent everywhere, goes beyond sorrow.
'The Self is not known through discourse, splitting of hairs, learning however great; He comes to the man He loves; takes that man's body for His own.
'The wicked man is restless, without concentration, without peace; how can he find Him, whatever his learning?
'He has made mere preachers and soldiers His food, death its condiment; how can a common man find Him?'
'The individual self and the universal Self, living in the heart, like shade and light, though beyond enjoyment, enjoy the result of action. All say this, all who know Spirit, whether householder or ascetic.
'Man can kindle that Fire, that Spirit, a bridge for all who sacrifice, a guide for all who pass beyond fear.
'Self rides in the chariot of the body, god is the firm-footed charioteer, discursive mind the reins.
'Senses are the horses, objects of desire the roads. When Self is joined to body, mind, sense, none but He enjoys.
'When a man lack steadiness, unable to control his mind, his senses are unmanageable horses.
'But if he control his mind, a steady man, they are manageable horses.
'The impure, self-willed, unsteady man misses the goal and is born again and again.
The self-controlled, steady, pure man goes to that goal from which he never returns.
'He who calls intellect to manage the reins of his mind reaches the end of his journey, finds there all-pervading Spirit.
'Above the senses are the objects of desire, above the objects of desire mind, above the mind intellect, above the intellect manifest nature.
'Above manifest nature the unmanifest seed(which is true innocence), above the unmanifest seed, God. God is the goal; beyond Him nothing.
'God does not proclaim Himself, he is everybody's secret, but the heart of the sage has found Him.
'The wise man would lose his speech in mind, mind in the intellect, intellect in nature, nature in God and so find peace.
'Get up! Stir yourself! Learn wisdom at the Master's feet. A hard path the sages say, the sharp edge of a razor.
'He who knows the soundless, odourless, tasteless, intangible, formless, deathless, supernatural, undecaying, beginningless, endless, unchangeable Reality, springs out of the mouth of Death.'
Those who hear and repeat correctly this ancient dialogue between Death and Nachiketas are approved by holy men.
He who sings this great mystery at the anniversary of his fathers to a rightly chosen company, finds good luck, good luck beyond measure.

http://www.sol.com.au/kor/5_01.htm

[Hellblazer 2.1]

the source of truth is definitely not wikipedia.

[Lovely Charm]

the source of truth is definitely not wikipedia.

walang truth oi, its a fabricated fancy para ba to keep us moving, searching, while yung mga nag claim na sila ang my hawak ng truth are so busy since aeon's of time selling it, hmmp

[dartzed]

truth = money

[batzic]

Religion is nothing more than its invented by the Catholics and other Christian religio political or cultish group.
Your belief in God is not called religion its called faith. Basically religion is some sort of a set of culture or norms in a particular group of faith. Its based on human tradition and culture and its not based on the Bible. The Bible is not based on human culture but God's wisdom and logic so if you believe in the Bible you believe in God's wisdom and logic and not Human culture. Although it is written by human, it is not written based on human emotion, logic or culture but God's. That's why Its called God's word not human's word. Take for example the prophets in the Bible, they do not promote their own culture their own experiences, their own wisdom, but they preach the Gospel. Which is 100% does not come from or influenced by Human but God's. Not to condemn humanity but to save them.

The worst thing here is that there is a very great controversy being stirred up to corrupt God's very teaching and his people. All the confusion about religion here can all be attributed to of course the one who creates the confusion. Which is the Catholic and other political socio-religion.

That's the problem of a man if he thinks that he knew almost everything... Ato dayon hunahunaon nga we are better than those who really studied theology for years.

"...they do not promote their own culture their own experiences, their own wisdom, but they preach the Gospel", this is absolutely wrong!!!

How can you give someone on something which you don't have? hehehe... try to think of it... Try to imagine teaching something nga wala pa nimo ma-experience, walay divine intervention... Muna ang result nga daghan ang nagtukod ug ila nga kaugalingong sect, religious organization, and the like and then pa-member sad dayon nga walay igong background check...

PEACE...

[tripwire]

^^ How do you know exactly if there is divine intervention? I think you can teach something without real experience. I have been with doctors and nurses in most of my entire life and they can account good teachings without them experiencing it. It's just a matter of good imagination and complete understanding of what you are doing.

I think a good example is a practitioner of a certain martial arts - there are hundreds [or maybe thousands] of masters that they don't have real experiences or applied what they learned but they are good teachers and some of their students have realized that what they learned from their teachers actually saved their lives. I am not a martial artists but they have an interesting views about life itself.

At first, religion was just a trial and error and it grew and became a good organization - I'm not saying that religion is bad but this may be a perfect invention by the people who thought of it. What's truth for them may not be truth for you. It's just a matter of self preservation about the truth. We all share the same truth but depends on what truth you are practicing.

[bluedes]

^^ How do you know exactly if there is divine intervention? I think you can teach something without real experience. I have been with doctors and nurses in most of my entire life and they can account good teachings without them experiencing it. It's just a matter of good imagination and complete understanding of what you are doing.

I think a good example is a practitioner of a certain martial arts - there are hundreds [or maybe thousands] of masters that they don't have real experiences or applied what they learned but they are good teachers and some of their students have realized that what they learned from their teachers actually saved their lives. I am not a martial artists but they have an interesting views about life itself.

At first, religion was just a trial and error and it grew and became a good organization - I'm not saying that religion is bad but this may be a perfect invention by the people who thought of it. What's truth for them may not be truth for you. It's just a matter of self preservation about the truth. We all share the same truth but depends on what truth you are practicing.

analytical lage ka ug mga posts noh.. girl jud ka?

a lot of people, for lack of a better explanation, will attribute many things to divine intervention. it's a convenient way of saying: "I'm too tired to find out what really caused the event, so let's just blame it on divine intervention." others will blame it on luck.

[tripwire]

analytical lage ka ug mga posts noh.. girl jud ka?

a lot of people, for lack of a better explanation, will attribute many things to divine intervention. it's a convenient way of saying: "I'm too tired to find out what really caused the event, so let's just blame it on divine intervention." others will blame it on luck.

I'm just a humble person who had a gift to see things clear. Being a "lady" sometimes has its advantage but lets just think that we all have God's gift (mind) to use to think what's best for you and me.

Salamat.