Strong faith in God BUT Losing hope to Religions

[newbie.86]

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Christianity is a religion per se ---- because it involves its own belief, its own moral code and practices as CONTAINED in the Bible.

Except for some agnostics I know who leaves the "Religion" item blank when filling out questionnaires, I have known a couple of born again "nonreligious" who ALWAYS fill out Christian as their Religion / religious affiliation. But again, there are a lot here who are in self-denial,,,,

[newbie.86]

Makes sense, sir but I don't think it makes "me" hypocrite to attend to any religious ceremonies especially if it's for someone I know or if I am being forced to go with by someone, ang uban siguro. I respect what my religion is teaching/preaching kay neutral raman ko ana. I am never against of anything they practice or tell people to do so.

What I don't like lang is the politics inside the religion like what the TS said and this person below.

Well-taken maam. But what I cannot accept is that you are being forced to go with someone even if it contradicts your conscience. That is not acceptable because we always have the freedom to refuse politely anything that offends us or is contrary to what we believe in.

[my_hEaD_isBIG]

Well-taken maam. But what I cannot accept is that you are being forced to go with someone even if it contradicts your conscience. That is not acceptable because we always have the freedom to refuse politely anything that offends us or is contrary to what we believe in.

Sometimes you have to say yes even though you don't like it just to a make someone happy or perhaps show respect to her/his beliefs but it doesn't mean that I hate the ceremony, again I don't hate the practices just the politics.

FYI. Male ko sir pero ok ra...ahahahaha

[newbie.86]

i believe in God but not religion...

btw, whose God ? Is it the Christian God or Allah or Brahma or Buddha?

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FYI. Male ko sir pero ok ra...ahahahaha

ooops sorry sir... nailad kos profile pic dah, ... hahaha.

[brendomar]

@newbie

picture raman gud ang tan-awn....hhahahah

[NapoleonBlownapart]

kung di mohatag migz, adto man kuno impyerno...

sa mga kulto tingali mao na ilang gitudlo.. lolz..

[jesse5648]

as for my point of view,

the main purpose of religion is to guide us with our faith in god and how we canmanifest it through our actions
as time passes since we are just MAN, we are open to all the elements of temptation,
we are BORN SINNERS yet we have our freedom of choice to REMAIN SINNERS,(sa kadtng kabasa sa bbliya im sure makasabot mo, even though Christ died for our sins, we cant deny that we are stained by the ORIGINAL SIN)
this corruption from the government actually started from the church, (medieval period, a kingdom's government is manifested by the church) so sauna pa ni

i aggree with your view TS but to this part "losing hope on my religion" i dont think so, im losing hope the these corrpt church leaders
you belief is your religion, (OT, example lang ni, even a great music lovers considers music as their religio) so thats how i define religion

hinoon sad lain2 man tag belief but matter ug unsay imung beliefs (or religion) we have this same faith in HIM the one TRUE GOD.....

[noy]

Kani ra gyud ang dili pwede nimo mbuhat or kung mabuhat mn nimo wla gihpon ky makuha nga financial information sa bisan asa nga churches. Bawal na cya sir sa ako nahibaw.an... church rules.

of course you wouldn't get a financial statement concerning cash flow bai for personal inquiry, unless it is necessary driven by certain circumstances..
rather, you'll have an idea where the donations,offerings and church fees go through the Church's bill payments..
for example, ask ka sa ila if ang church ba maoy mubayad sa electricity and water.. then imu e examine unsa na mga klase na appliances naa sa Church.. how often ning mga butanga gigamit..for sure you'll be able to create an estimate.
wala pay labut ang maintenance ana..syempre, bayaran man pud nang tig limpyo, ug uban pa.
tan.awn nimu pila ka empleyado nag trabaho sa simbahan..security guard, mga office staff ug uban pa..of course sweldohan jud na..syempre ang simbahan jud maoy mu sweldo ana..
Finally, ang mga activities nga gi organize sa simbahan..mga outreach of pastoral programs..of course kinahanglan ug fundings para ani nga mga activities..like sa example nako previously..kadtong medical and dental mission..
dili na ta kinahanglan ug specific and detailed record of the Church's financial statement.

now, if we match these expenses with the offerings during mass, pipila ra kaha ang muhatag jud ug dagko, kasagaran sinsilyo ra..or wa ta kahibaw..mas daghan pa jud ang dili muhatag..hehehe..dayun mga donations, kini dako2x ni..kay naa juy uban muhatag jud ug dako..pero di pud guro ni pirme, kana siguro pag maka igo ug dako2x ang deboto sa iyang negosyo or naka dawat ug bonus.. dugngan nato sa bunyag,patay ug kasal nga naay mga specific church fees which is dili ni kada-adlaw naa..
do we really think nga sobra2x ni to sustain the Church's financial responsibilities as well as sa mga outreach and pastoral programs? ..

[rafee]

Great point @noy ... but to start my complete disagreement of your statement above, I want you to review my post and my other comments.. but will try to wrap it up. I quote most of your words to clear your thoughts on how your righteous mind is wrong.

And please if basahon nimo/ninyo ako comment below, ayaw sa pghuna2 daan ug itubag pra masabtan or at least makuha nimo ang idea..etc...

I've been through all your thoughts. Before pko ng post ani I personally know and see how things really working with money inside the church.


"How sustain the Church's financial responsibilities"? Simple, thru donations.
You said: "Ha? pipila ra kaha ang muhatag jud ug dagko, kasagaran sinsilyo ra". WRONG.
Ang BIG donors (politician or known businessman) dili mohulog sa sibot. Ikaw nlng analyze sa reason but to give u a hint: To let the leaders know that "I am" the donor.

Aside from Big donors, guess what? You say "maintenance, bayaran man pud nang tig limpyo, ug uban pa.
tan.awn nimu pila ka empleyado nag trabaho sa simbahan..security guard, mga office staff ug uban pa..of course sweldohan jud na..syempre ang simbahan jud maoy mu sweldo ana.."
Answer: Mostly monthly na including sweldo...I think maintenance lng ang daily and other office supplies including food and snacks.
BUT.., almost every hour man pud ang anonymous donors for big churches... so you think it is not enough?

But again, I am not against any religious beliefs or program etc.. It goes to back to my POST (read the details. see first page)... then again my question is still: Ngano ingana mn ang treatment sa kabus...while leaders are living in most "unimaginable" way of life but still teaching us to stay low and humble.

[noy]

Great point @noy ... but to start my complete disagreement of your statement above, I want you to review my post and my other comments.. but will try to wrap it up. I quote most of your words to clear your thoughts on how your righteous mind is wrong.

thanks. my righteous mind? what do you mean by that?haha

And please if basahon nimo/ninyo ako comment below, ayaw sa pghuna2 daan ug itubag pra masabtan or at least makuha nimo ang idea..etc...

kilatan pa ko..Lol , basahon nako ang post before ko maghuna-huna ug reply..

I've been through all your thoughts. Before pko ng post ani I personally know and see how things really working with money inside the church.

how did you personally know and see how things work with money inside the Church? should this mean each and every Church there is?
if not, how many churches are we talking about?

"How sustain the Church's financial responsibilities"? Simple, thru donations.
You said: "Ha? pipila ra kaha ang muhatag jud ug dagko, kasagaran sinsilyo ra". WRONG.
Ang BIG donors (politician or known businessman) dili mohulog sa sibot. Ikaw nlng analyze sa reason but to give u a hint: To let the leaders know that "I am" the donor.

First of all, emphasis on "HA?" it brings a whole different idea bai..
as if i cited my point with sarcasm. that has never been the case.
the point was actually for reflection.
and mao ni ang akong gisulti..
"now, if we match these expenses with the offerings during mass, pipila ra kaha ang muhatag jud ug dagko, kasagaran sinsilyo ra..or wa ta kahibaw..mas daghan pa jud ang dili muhatag"

i know naa juy mga tao nga gusto magpasikat but i think you're being unfair with the politicians and businessmen or to people generally who genuinely donate out of goodwill and pure intentions..
ay kog ingna nga puro na pasikatay tanang muhatag sa simbahan nga wala nagpa anonymous..kay wa jud ta kahibaw sa intention sa usa ka tao.

Aside from Big donors, guess what? You say "maintenance, bayaran man pud nang tig limpyo, ug uban pa.
tan.awn nimu pila ka empleyado nag trabaho sa simbahan..security guard, mga office staff ug uban pa..of course sweldohan jud na..syempre ang simbahan jud maoy mu sweldo ana.."
Answer: Mostly monthly na including sweldo...I think maintenance lng ang daily and other office supplies including food and snacks.
BUT.., almost every hour man pud ang anonymous donors for big churches... so you think it is not enough?

Almost every hour? balik ta sa akong pangutana..how did you personally know and see how things work with money inside the Church? should this mean each and every Church there is?
if not, how many churches are we talking about?

Ngano ingana mn ang treatment sa kabus...while leaders are living in most "unimaginable" way of life but still teaching us to stay low and humble.

ang pangutana? is it what that certain religion teaches? or mao nay gibuhat sa mga religious leaders?
regarding Priests having stipends(mao ni ang term sa imung giingun nga take home pay..hehe), allowances and refunds for personal expenses.. is that a bad thing? so dapat ang pari walay stipend? walay allowance..ug dili magpa refund sa iyang nagasto maski pa ug angay siyang refundan?
example: ang church naay budget for outreach..pero dugay naabut ang budget. so si padre usay ming tapal..so dili siya pwede magparefund ana?

now kay naay mga tao nga walay gikaon..di nalang pwede magka relo ang pari becuase they teach about giving and charity? i believe in the spirit of charity and sharing, so are you saying that i shouldn't watch a movie or buy car accessories or even buy a car because other people are starving to death? "unimaginable" way of Life? i'm afraid we need be to very detailed if we want to make point, for the sake of discussion.