Questions/Doubts/Wrong Practices to the Catholic Church--Analysis and Opinion

[redhorse1L]

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Even if you pray heartily, if your prayer says:
Aba Ginoong Maria! Napupuno ka ng grasya,
Ang Panginoong Diyos ay sumasaiyo,
bukod ka pong Pinagpala sa babaeng lahat at
pinagpala naman ang iyong anak na si Hesus.
Santa Maria Ina ng Diyos,
ipanalangin mo po kaming makasalanan,
ngayon at kung kami'y mamamatay. Amen.

then it is in vain.


I honestly do not know why. Pero sigurado ako, alam na ng Dios yung sasabihin niya.

So ang stand mo is maaaring hindi alam ng Dios kung ano yung dasal ni Kristo kaya inulit ni Kristo? Tama ba?

And then again, you're diverting the issue.
Can't you ride with the flow of our discussion?

Again, Jesus, as the Son of God..
Why did He repeated His prayers?

Did He thought His Father haven't heard His prayers yet, that's why He repeated them?

[malic_2]

In the event that the bronze snake was created-Jesus never mentioned to his people to bow down to the snake, but instead it healed those whoever came to see it and touched it. Now this was his command and they only followed.
Now, did Jesus command us to make representations to which we should kiss and pray when we worship him?

there was no Jesus yet in the Old Testament. Why should they bow down to a snake? it's a snake for Christ's sake. Bow down to God. The statues are representations of God and Saints. And bowing down by the way is a gesture of respect.

before you ask, can you provide first any commandments from Jesus prohibiting his followers not to make any representations of him? if there is none,what's stopping you? no law no violation. take this example...Cain had *** w/ his sister ,was it a sin? no. why? there was no law yet at that time prohibiting them not to commit incest. Is there a law in the new testament against making statues? none.

The Bible was written by apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ to serve as a guide for people who believe in him. The ten commandments clearly states that idolatry is a sin, and that there shall be no other gods before him. God never commanded us to make rosaries and kiss an image of him when praying, did He?

well that's your OWN interpretation. FOR YOUR INFORMATION, the authenticity of authorship is questionable. Please read other books and not just the bible and pro-Christian books.

yes idolatry is sin but what is idolatry? did you ever ask a Catholic about it? nah, your too dependent sa imong Pastor.

[redhorse1L]

The Catechism of the Council of Trent (1566)

Authorities:
No. 3 In conformity with the Decrees of the Plenary Council and the Code of 1918.
Nihil Obstat: A.G. Casas, Censor Librorum
Imprematur: Rufino J. Santos, D.D., Archbishop of Manila, De La Salle College,
Brothers of the Christian Schools, Manila Philippines 1955

Page 86
"10. What is a saint?
A saint in the strict sense of the word is one who is in heaven, and has been presented by the Church for the public worship of the faithful

Page 87
"13. Is the worship of the saints confined to their persons?
No; it extends also to their relics and images "

"14. What do we call Relics?
We call relics:
1. The remains of the body of a saint who has been canonized or beatified by the church;
2. The objects which have belonged to the saints, or which have touched their bodies: such as linen, coffins, etc."

15. Ought we to worship holy images?
We should have, particularly in our churches, images of Our Lord, as also of the Blessed Virgin and the saints.."

source Catechism archives.org

Again, another misconception.

Worship - has a very broad meaning.
Did you know naay mga courts sauna nga instead of "your Honor", they will address as "Your Worship"?

noun

1. 1. reverence or devotion for a deity; religious homage or veneration
   2. a church service or other rite showing this
2. extreme devotion or intense love or admiration of any kind
3. Chiefly Brit. a title of honor used in speaking to or of magistrates, mayors, or certain others holding high rank: preceded by Your or by His or Her.

Types of worship.
Adoration - directed solely to God.
Veneration - may be lawfully directed to saints.

Worship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[malic_2]

I do not know any of the doctrines from your catechism (Vatican II). What I am asking about is the justification that kissing and praying to your statues is not idolatry. And if there is any verse in the Bible that God gave his command to make a representation of him and to include that in worshiping Him.

then its wise to read them first before you open your mouth. As for me naka try nako og basa ani but dili pa tanan.

[redhorse1L]

Again, just a reminder this is not a Bible Debate thread.

As Catholic, our doctrine is NOT solely dependent with the Bible.
It is not craft by just the Bible alone.
Prior to the compilation of the Bible, the doctrine is already developing and was recorded by the early Church Fathers. Mao neh wala sa mga protestante.

Dili neh pareha sa mga protestants, nga Bibliya ra ang gihawakan. Believing that you can have the absolute truth of Christian Doctrine by just reading the Bible alone. Unsay nahitabo? Lumbaanay ug tukod ug simbahan. Sila daw ang may'ng laki mo-interpret sa Bibliya. Then ang dili parehas nila ug doctrina, adto na daw sa imperno.

[SioDenz]

Again, just a reminder this is not a Bible Debate thread.

As Catholic, our doctrine is NOT solely dependent with the Bible.
It is not craft by just the Bible alone.
Prior to the compilation of the Bible, the doctrine is already developing and was recorded by the early Church Fathers. Mao neh wala sa mga protestante.

Dili neh pareha sa mga protestants, nga Bibliya ra ang gihawakan. Believing that you can have the absolute truth of Christian Doctrine by just reading the Bible alone. Unsay nahitabo? Lumbaanay ug tukod ug simbahan. Sila daw ang may'ng laki mo-interpret sa Bibliya. Then ang dili parehas nila ug doctrina, adto na daw sa imperno.

So if the doctrine is Not written in the Bible, its in your Religious Tradition, Am I right?

[redhorse1L]

So if the doctrine is Not written in the Bible, its in your Religious Tradition, Am I right?

There are Truths that are not explicit or cannot be declared conclusive if we only base from the Bible.
That is why it is better to confirm these teachings by digging up the writings of the Early Church Fathers.

Ako na neh gi-post sauna.
Example, the Divinity of Christ.
Naay uban groupo, tawo ra si Jesus, naa uban, God and man cya.

But still, they have the same sole source, the Bible alone.

So, gi-unsa man pag-declare sa Catholic Church about this doctrine? Through Councils, and also, based from the writtings of the Early Church Fathers. Wala neh sila mag-pakli2x ug Bibliya sauna, then nag-sige ug debate. Wala pa-ma-compile ang Biblia, ila na gi-declare ang divinity ni Christ.

That is why better you review the history of the Church than just getting hooked up with your Bible.

[SioDenz]

There are Truths that are not explicit or cannot be declared conclusive if we only base from the Bible.
That is why it is better to confirm these teachings by digging up the writings of the Early Church Fathers.

Ako na neh gi-post sauna.
Example, the Divinity of Christ.
Naay uban groupo, tawo ra si Jesus, naa uban, God cya.

But still, they have the same sole source, the Bible alone.

So, gi-unsa man pag-declare sa Catholic Church about this doctrine? Through Councils, and also, based from the writtings of the Early Church Fathers. Wala neh sila mag-pakli2x ug Bibliya sauna, then nag-sige ug debate. Wala pa-ma-compile ang Biblia, ila na gi-declare ang divinity ni Christ.

That is why better you review the history of the Church than just getting hooked up with your Bible.

You mentioned the word compile, So Catholic Church Did Not write the Bible but Compiled, right? meaning naa na ang mga sinuwat ni exist nah, wala pa lan na compile. because the books in the Bible are written by apostles di bah? so asa may nag una, ang mga sinuwat sa Biblia or ang Catholicism?

[redhorse1L]

You mentioned the word compile, So Catholic Church Did Not write the Bible but Compiled, right? meaning naa na ang mga sinuwat ni exist nah, wala pa lan na compile. because the books in the Bible are written by apostles di bah? so asa may nag una, ang mga sinuwat sa Biblia or ang Catholicism?

What? apostles?
Tell you what, the Pentateuch, is not even solely written by Moses. Wala sad ta kibaw kung naka-sulat ba si Moses ana.

On the Pentecost, the apostles are already preaching the Good News, and haven't wrote a thing, until the evangelists came. And at the time, there is already The Church. That is the Catholic Church today.


Didn't you know when the Book of Matthew was written? Around 100-140 AD. And it doesn't mean si Matthew nag-sulat ana.

Naay Gospel of Peter, pero wala maapil sa Bibliya. Mobasa ka ato?

Again, please read the History, and not just hooked up with your bible.

[SioDenz]

What? apostles?
Tell you what, the Pentateuch, is not even solely written by Moses. Wala sad ta kibaw kung naka-sulat ba si Moses ana.

On the Pentecost, the apostles are already preaching the Good News, and haven't wrote a thing, until the evangelists came. And at the time, there is already The Church. That is the Catholic Church today.


Didn't you know when the Book of Matthew was written? Around 100-140 AD. And it doesn't mean si Matthew nag-sulat ana.

Naay Gospel of Peter, pero wala maapil sa Bibliya. Mobasa ka ato?

Again, please read the History, and not just hooked up with your bible.

So kanang mga sinuwat nga naa sa Bibliya dili mga disipolo or apostle ni Kristo nagsulat ana? kinsa man diay?
So if the gospel of Mathew was written around 100-140 AD man kaha, so pwedi dili na mao ang sinuwat dha? so posibli nga sayop nang mga nasuwat sa bibliya diay ron?

asa ang nag una, ang teachings nga naa sa Bibliya or ang Catholic religion?Cos you said Your Church Just Compiled the writings - i mean the teachings Not the writings.