Originally Posted by
ketllac
when I checked the previous page I found out that it has been answered by malic and redhorse already.
Kung ato tan awon sa previous page sa kini nga thread na address na even God commanded some people to create an image of an angel ug katong bitin ni MOses. Nya ang imong i question ani is ni command ba ang Ginoo pag worship ani labot ng Rosary. Sugdan nako ni sa definition sa Idolatry base sa Catholic Catechism.
let us start sa word Idolatry;
Idolatry etymologically denotes Divine worship given to an image, but its signification has been extended to all Divine worship given to anyone or anything but the true God. St. Thomas (Summa Theol., II-II, q. xciv) treats of it as a species of the genus superstition, which is a vice opposed to the virtue of religion and consists in giving Divine honour (cultus) to things that are not God, or to God Himself in a wrong way. The specific note of idolatry is its direct opposition to the primary object of Divine worship; it bestows on a creature the reverence due to God alone. It does so in several ways. The creature is often represented by an image, an idol. "Some, by nefarious arts, made certain images which, through the power of the devil, produced certain effects whence they thought that these images contained something divine and, consequently, that divine worship was due to them." Such was the opinion of Hermes Trismegistus. Others gave Divine honours not to the images but to the creatures which they represented. Both are hinted at by the Apostle (Romans 1:23-25), who says of the first: "They changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of four-footed beasts and of creeping things"; and of the second: "They worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator". These worshippers of creatures were of three kinds. Some held that certain men were gods, and these they honoured through their statues, e.g., Jupiter and Mercury. Others opined that the whole world was one God, God being conceived of as the rational soul of the corporeal world. Hence they worshipped the world and all its parts, the air, the water, and all the rest; their idols, according to Varro, as reported by St. Augustine (City of God VIII.21-22), were the expression of that belief. Others again, followers of Plato, admitted one supreme God, the cause of all things; under Him they placed certain spiritual substances of His creation and participating in His Divinity; these substances they called gods; and below these they put the souls of the heavenly bodies and, below these again the demons who, they thought, were a sort of aerial living beings (animalia). Lowest of all they placed the human souls, which, according to merit or demerit, were to share the society either of the gods or of the demons. To all they attributed Divine worship, as St. Augustine says (City of God VIII.14).
Base sa catholic cathechism klaro kaayo nga ang idolatry is katong ni worship sa dili tinoud nga God. Kung ato studihan ang history sa Christianity even before sa time ni Moses to David up to Jesus klaro kaayo nga naa silay God is monothestic contrary kaayo sa ila god nga mga iro, winged creature, si baal moloch, etch. Mao ni gi address ni moses ug sa mga apostoles sa time ni Jesus kay even up to the time ni Jesus evident ni nga practice.
Dili ang catholic church maoy gi address aning mga idolatry because ang gi worship ani mao ang tinuod nga Jesus nga nag pakatawo nga naay image naay nawong unless si Jesus Ghost ni anhi sa kalibutan then maakiingon ta nga naa gyud siyay image. biblical sad ni kay si Jesus ni instruct man gani sa old testament sa pag mugna ug larawan sa angel. evident ni sa arc of the covenant. kanang gi tumbok o gi address ni Paul sa iyang mga epistle brad sa mga practices na nga pagano nga mo worship lang gihapon sila sa dili tinuod nga God, they even believed even though nga nag pakatawo na ang messiah naa gihapon ang Culture sa mga greek nga ninunot sa mga hebrew.
Now ang imo question is kinihanglan ba i -worship ang image. diha ang straw man ug ang attack sa mga sekta nga wala gani na sa catechism sa catoliko ga akong gi tumbok ganina brad. kay ang amo i worship is ang Jesus nga dili picture. That is just a representation sa tinuod nga Jesus tua sa langit. biblically dili sayop ang representation basta dili idolatry kay matod pa sa definition ang idolatry ang pag worship sa dili tinuod nga God.
nya tinuod man nga naa gyuy nawong si Kristo kay nag pakatawo man. naa man gani image si Plato nga dugay pang natawo kang kristo. Kanang pag ampo namo brad using picture ni TRANSCEND na sa mere image/statue lang nga ang Ginoo nag pakatawo nga naay hulagway. dili na worship lang sa picture nag sugod sa picture sad na human. Sama sad ang nirvanna sa mga budhist nag sugod sa ila lotus posisyon na human sa ila gitawag ug enlightenment nga intangible.
sama ra na brad nga naa kay picture sa imo palanga nga ginikanan nga dugay na nimong nakita, nya nikuot dayon ka sa imong pitaka kay gimingaw ka ug imong gi halokan. Kanang hulagway sa imong ginikanan nag represent lang na sa tinuod nimong ginikanan nga wala diha sa imong presensya. kanang hulagway wala nay value pero ang value ana nga palanga nimo ang imo ginikanan. Kaw maka buhat kag pag bugal -bugal sa hulagway sa minahal nimo sa kinabuhi?
dili ni worship kay gibutang lang ni as a starting point sa tinuod nga worship which is spiritual in nature but since Jesus came here nga naay nawong we can say nga ang starting point which is the image of Jesus is valid.
when it comes to rosary all prayers included can be found in the bible. You can't find in the bible that God instructed us to make a rosary but all prayers are offered to Jesus not to Mary. We are only adoring Mary as a good example of her humility and strong faith to Jesus that in some way we become like her.
nganong straw man ang argument kay wala sa Catechism ang pag worship ug idols. nga ang definition mao ang pag worship sa dili tinuod nga god. dili ni idolatry sa gi address sa bible nga ila gitumbok ang hellenistic nga culture ug culutura sa mga hentil nga polytheistic nga naka apekto sa mga israelitas.
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