***christian apologetics***

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Yes its because the bible was revealed as life's manual. It is the living guide of the fundamental human morals. we are taught in it how to behave and act in accordance to what pleases God. other books about spirituality bai was just a derivation from the bible. And can you give us a book that talks about the things you mean? no need if it talks about the Luciferian doctrines.

Just a humble thought from an immature and unwise person bay. What if the authenticity of bible had been proven to be false, where else would you base your teachings and understanding on the divinity of your god? Would that automatically erase all the moral guidelines that base solely on the bible?

[pinoy_09]

Whoah. I see a lot of Bible thumpers in this thread. Good job Bible thumpers. Please continue to spread the false word of God and convince those who do not share your beliefs to cease thinking for themselves, since that's what you're good at. While you're at it, convince us that the Bible is the "ACTUAL WORD OF GOD" and not just written by ancient people who knew NOTHING of the world around them.

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Whoah. I see a lot of Bible thumpers in this thread. Good job Bible thumpers. Please continue to spread the false word of God and convince those who do not share your beliefs to cease thinking for themselves, since that's what you're good at. While you're at it, convince us that the Bible is the "ACTUAL WORD OF GOD" and not just written by ancient people who knew NOTHING of the world around them.

Then they will apply the circular reasoning of: "We know god exist because the bible says so and god wrote the bible so we know that god exist because the bible says so....." I guess they just don't want to think, I mean REALLY think for themselves.

[tuffie09]

Ignorante manka bro...ang nakabalo bro but unbelieving mao nay ma imperno!

Pag sure oi! Verse be kay ako e explain nimo baptist ko sauna idiot.

Got you covered believer.

2 Thessalonians 1:8b-9 Them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power.

So now, why tell us who god is ? Nahan ka ma imperno me? Leave us na walay knowledge who god is kay mapasaylo ra :P And stop sending missionaries lols daghan ma imperno!

[malic_2]

quote a verse that points to be their understanding of salvation.

i just did. scroll back.

this is because you do not understand the doctrine of justification by faith ALONE! and its because probably you have a shifting kind of faith and not genuine. Just consider the example of the thief on the cross...did he do something to make him saved, or was his genuine faith saved him?

bzzzzzt, ad hominem, logical fallacy. we are trying to find what's truth here. lay your arguments and not what you think about me.
how sure are you that the thief never in his lifetime did good deeds? this guy was a jew and as a jew he is part of the old covenant. Take note that the effect of the new covenant started after Jesus resurrection. If your intelligent you should have known that he was saved by virtue of the old covenant and not on what has Calvin drilled into your brain.

Genuine faith will always bear good works as a result of the working of the Holy Spirit in your life and not the product of your own effort...it is an overflow of the grace of God!

sure but this isn't about what's genuine faith or not, can you please set your eyes on the topic?

false faith plus works will always doomed to failure and only superficial.

well let's hear James ... "man is justified by works and not by good deeds" so who's on the wrong side of the road according to James? hmm, he is pointing at you. just like what i said to kenshiro throw away Calvin .

but i respect if that's your comprehension of that doctrine! we are the rightful owner of your own belief anyway.

thanks, mine is more biblical.

2Tm:2:15: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

yeah you should study.

[malic_2]

are you a Luciferian yourself or an atheist? whose God do you believe in?

you don't even know what that word means.

Yes, Jesus during his earthly ministry, he taught again and again about those who are worthy of the kingdom of heaven. Except we know how to humble ourselves like that of a child, then we cannot easily understand the wisdom of the parables of the kingdom of heaven.

M't:18:3: And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
M't:18:4: Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
M't:19:14: But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

naa napod mag pa sweto sweto napod. are you using these verses to prove salvation via savior? these verses bai FOR YOUR INFORMATION are Jesus' answers to a disciple's question found in verse 1,read here...At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? the context therefore is not about salvation. READ verse 4 (in bold letters) your incapacity to deliver proper exegesis is too much.

and you can try to compare yourself against the great rabbis or spiritual leaders and think of this verse...

M't:5:20: For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

thank you,you just proved that Salvation can be achieved by good works.

The wisdom of God can be accesible to those person who have the heart like that of a child. Humbleness and humility is the key to understanding Jesus examples. Salvation is different from spiritual knowledge bro though it calls about spirituality. Your subject will lead back to the garden of eden while salvation will points us to the cross of Jesus Christ.

WRONG, get the context first and then we can start talking. and are you not ashamed to preach to us nga maglisod man gani ka og kuha sa sakto nga context? tawn pod.

YouTube - Dr. Ravi Zacharias explains consequences to ideas

hehehhehe....tawn pod noh? but we are not concern unsa naka nga level sa imong spirituality bai. Just remember the event in the garden of eden...mogawas jud permi and "does God really said?" this will always talk with PRIDE! sorry to say that. Id rather have Jesus and by his grace I am contented of my life in Him.

go ahead im not trying to discourage you, go kong asa ka malipayon. hahaha. oh the garden of eden? where man walked naked like wild animals w/o any sense of reality, for they had no certain comprehension of what good and evil is like.

Yes its because the bible was revealed as life's manual. It is the living guide of the fundamental human morals. we are taught in it how to behave and act in accordance to what pleases God. other books about spirituality bai was just a derivation from the bible. And can you give us a book that talks about the things you mean? no need if it talks about the Luciferian doctrines.

sure sure, but i disagree. The bible is not only the available book in the market there are more even older than the bible and it talks about real wisdom. but you can't comprehend it because it is only intended for those special souls whose evolution are much higher than you. nya pang doctorate pod to dili pang elementary.

[WordofGod]

Whoah. I see a lot of Bible thumpers in this thread. Good job Bible thumpers. Please continue to spread the false word of God and convince those who do not share your beliefs to cease thinking for themselves, since that's what you're good at. While you're at it, convince us that the Bible is the "ACTUAL WORD OF GOD" and not just written by ancient people who knew NOTHING of the world around them.

if you are already deceived with your Luciferian beliefs, go ahead. The truths of the bible i think is not suited for you. there are still lots of people around who longs to know the truth of Jesus Christ!

just watch and learn...
YouTube - Live for Eternity - Paul Washer
YouTube - Why the Bible? Ravi Zacharias at the University of Illinois

[WordofGod]

show us here what is the basis of your belief also...youre very welcome to preach your truth!

not the occult ha?

[WordofGod]

@malic: how about try to share your truths of the Luciferian doctrine? and explain to us what this video is all about.

YouTube - Illuminati-Free Masons-Occult-Satanism-Kabbalah-Magick-Gnosticism-New Age-Mysticism-11/11

I think this is our chance to know more of your Luciferian beliefs, but i want it here coz if you'll invite us in secret then sorry, your occult wisdom had been toppled already in the genesis account.

[WordofGod]

Just a humble thought from an immature and unwise person bay. What if the authenticity of bible had been proven to be false, where else would you base your teachings and understanding on the divinity of your god? Would that automatically erase all the moral guidelines that base solely on the bible?

take out the "what if" bro and your assumption will be cleared out. but that's the thing what rocks dreamed about...meaning it's an impossibility!