Questions/Doubts/Wrong Practices to the Catholic Church--Analysis and Opinion

[neigyl_noval]

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You can say "I love you" to your love ones everyday or every night.

Pero para sabihin mo yun ng sampung beses paulit-ulit sa isang instance, parang lumalabas hindi nakakaintindi yung kausap mo. Ganan ang tinuturo ng rosaryo isama na natin ang 3 o clock habit.

Thanks for the immediate reply.

The repetition of prayers is a form of "begging" to the Lord. Imagine a 4-year old son asking his father to buy him an ice cream, "Papa, bili ka nang ice cream". Inu-ulit2x ito ng maraming beses. Iiyak pa nga yung bata. Luluhud pa bastat mabilhan lang ng ice cream. Similarly, since Christians are the children of God, Catholics do the same. Inuulit yung panalangin as a form of "begging" to the Lord.

Again, however, not all Catholics do the right thing. Some Catholics tend to pray repetitive, but standardized, prayers without sense at all.

[neigyl_noval]

I think the TS main purpose is to answer questions and doubters and give more clarification to the practices of the Catholic Church.
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On Topic
One of the ten commandments:
Thou shall not have any other gods before me.
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gods- refer to images/statues of other people or so called gods that are being worshipped by people, this includes material things and anything under the sun.
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But why is it that you make prayers to Mary and you have all the idols in the Church?
Why do we need to make prayers to Mary and the Popes when in fact we can pray to God directly?
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sakto jud bai.. libog pud ko ana.. best example ani kay kanang ang santos sa simbahan nay ampoan ug maayo. nya naa pinalabi nga simbahan nga mas daghan ang manimba.

Catholics do not worship Saints. Catholics do not worship images/statues because we are like idiot if we do it. Images/Statues are instrument that could relate us to other people, like the pictures of your family, but doesn't mean we worship them. The reason for the asking of help to the Saints/Mary are here: https://www.istorya.net/forums/9966285-post201.html

[d.a.m.a.s.o.]

@ T/S, can you give me an example of Repetitive praying and Idolatry?

[darkdevil]

Kung naa man lang diay kay pangayoon para sa God.. ngano paagi pa man nimo sa saint..
Parehas sa imo example. Kung nangayo og ice cream ang bata sa iya papa ngano sa lain pa man tao pa man siya mo ask....

Dili mo workship? Pero trapohan og hankerchief then ipahid sa face og uban pa. Makigpatay para lang makakupot sa pisi sa Nazareno.

[neigyl_noval]

@ T/S, can you give me an example of Repetitive praying and Idolatry?

Almost all Catholic prayers are repetitive but standardized for communal praying (that is, prayed together by group rather than in an individual sense). There are disadvantages of standardized prayers though--that is, when such prayers are made wiht no sense at all.

nijazared have pointed out a good definition of idolatry.

Thou shall not have any other gods before me.
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gods- refer to images/statues of other people or so called gods that are being worshipped by people, this includes material things and anything under the sun.
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A very common example of idolatry is when you worship an animal with its statue in front of you.

[d.a.m.a.s.o.]

Almost all Catholic prayers are repetitive but standardized for communal praying (that is, prayed together by group rather than in an individual sense). There are disadvantages of standardized prayers though--that is, when such prayers are made wiht no sense at all.

nijazared have pointed out a good definition of idolatry.



A very common example of idolatry is when you worship an animal with its statue in front of you.

Salamat at inamin mong repititive ang prayers ng Catholic.

What about when you kneel down before a graven image of "Mama Mary"? Di ba idolatry din yun? You've mentioned its just an instrument, just like your family pictures?

Question:
Yung picture ba ng nanay mo, tinitirikan mo ng kandila?
Yung picture ba ng nanay mo, pinag-puprusisyon mo tuwing birthday niya?
Lumuluhod ka ba sa harap ng picture ng nanay mo?

[neigyl_noval]

Kung naa man lang diay kay pangayoon para sa God.. ngano paagi pa man nimo sa saint..
Parehas sa imo example. Kung nangayo og ice cream ang bata sa iya papa ngano sa lain pa man tao pa man siya mo ask....

Dili mo workship? Pero trapohan og hankerchief then ipahid sa face og uban pa. Makigpatay para lang makakupot sa pisi sa Nazareno.

Thanks for that very good realization.

Ipa-agi sa mga Catholics sa Saint kung naay pangayoon kay mas closer man sila sa Ginoo. However, the preceding statement may seem to be a fallacy and just an intuition and not a fact--that is, we cannot assure that the declared Catholic Saints are really in heaven and that if they could really hear our prayers. Nonetheless, please read my previous post for better understanding of the Saint interfacing with Catholics: https://www.istorya.net/forums/9966285-post201.html

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"Dili mo workship? Pero trapohan og hankerchief then ipahid sa face og uban pa. Makigpatay para lang makakupot sa pisi sa Nazareno."

Honestly, mao nay over-devotion sa mga Catholics and it is not right. This usually happens sa mga tiguwang nga magluhod2x atubangan sa larawan sa usa ka Santo. It should not be like that. But then, basin in-ana jud na sila mu-express sa ilang pag-hangyo sa Santo para tabangan sila og ampo ngadto sa Ginoo, but not entirely worship.

Here is what Catholics say when asking help from saints:

Leader: ".................................... Saint Francis,"
People: "pray for us."

"pray for us" is actually a short form of "Please help us pray that the Lord will answer our prayers."

And the preceding statement is a standard format of asking help from saints. Ang ubang gibuhat sa mga Katoliko, especially sa mga tiguwang, kay grabe na kaayo nag luhud2x ug panrapo (aside from hygene purposes guro).

[neigyl_noval]

What about when you kneel down before a graven image of "Mama Mary"? Di ba idolatry din yun? You've mentioned its just an instrument, just like your family pictures?

Question:
Yung picture ba ng nanay mo, tinitirikan mo ng kandila?
Yung picture ba ng nanay mo, pinag-puprusisyon mo tuwing birthday niya?
Lumuluhod ka ba sa harap ng picture ng nanay mo?

Similar to Saints, we do not worship Mother Mary, so Catholics believe that it is not a form of idolatry.

Pictures are just instrument so that you may "feel" that you are really talking heartily to that person; rather than a Catholic kneeling there talking to himself like a fool. Imagine you are looking on a picture of your girlfriend. You have this nice feeling in your heart even though you do not meet her personally. You began talking to/thinking her. That is similar to images of Saints and Mother Mary in the Catholic Church. Talking to pictures doesn't really mean worshipping it.

Images of declared saints and of Mary by Catholics are different from images of an ordinary person.

[darkdevil]

Pero ngano wala man sila badlonga na dili diay na sakto?

[d.a.m.a.s.o.]

Similar to Saints, we do not worship Mother Mary, so Catholics believe that it is not a form of idolatry.

Pictures are just instrument so that you may "feel" that you are really talking heartily to that person; rather than a Catholic kneeling there talking to himself like a fool. Imagine you are looking on a picture of your girlfriend. You have this nice feeling in your heart even though you do not meet her personally. You began talking to/thinking her. That is similar to images of Saints and Mother Mary in the Catholic Church. Talking to pictures doesn't really mean worshipping it.

Images of declared saints and of Mary by Catholics are different from images of an ordinary person.

Yes talking to a picture may not be considered idolatry. Pero yung pag-pu-prosisyon?

Pictures are just instrument so that you may "feel" that you are really talking heartily to that person; rather than a Catholic kneeling there talking to himself like a fool.

So what your'e saying is that those who pray and kneel down without any images in front looks like a fool?

Ang utos ng Dios sambahin siya sa ESPIRITU at KATOTOHANAN eh, ibig sabihin, wlang rebulto o larawan

Joh 4:24 Ang Dios ay Espiritu: at ang mga sa kaniya'y nagsisisamba ay kinakailangang magsisamba espiritu at sa katotohanan.