Questions/Doubts/Wrong Practices to the Catholic Church--Analysis and Opinion

[redhorse1L]

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Layo na ayo ta sa discussion.
Priests are used as instruments by Christ to spread his Good Message to the World dba...
sa giingon ni redhorse1L ganina "Like Jesus told us, listen to what they say, but don't follow what they do."

So its our own decision if we follow or not. But the only thing Jesus want us to do is "Love your enemies as I have love you." So we should love our priest even nagpabadlong.

Mao, samok kaayo nang puro negative tan-awon..
Himuon dayon ug reason nga dili na binuotan kay utro sad daw ang ubang pari.

If they want to be good, follow Don Bosco, John Paul II, St. Francis, Mother Theresa, etc.. .. . Read a book about their lives.

[zhrike]

Unsay purpose ani? nahimo naman ni nga thread for attacking catholics... unsay gusto ninyo? mamalhin mi? hahahaha...

[Zhael]

Unsay purpose ani? nahimo naman ni nga thread for attacking catholics... unsay gusto ninyo? mamalhin mi? hahahaha...

hahahaha...

kamo ra ang masayod.

[splendid moonlight]

Kung naay mangutana sa Practices sa usa ka religion it doesnt mean nga Sayop na ang practice, Nangutana ra na sila ug nag huwat sa tubag.

Jesus indicate that Dont challege God but challenge your religion so that you will know if they are true or Not.

I'm not trying to defend my religion. I even have my own questions about our own practices. I'm just reminding people to think about their motives for questioning the Catholic church. Are they really concerned? Or do they simply want to be right? Some people "attack" another religion just to be right. If you're using your religion to be right, then you're serving only yourself, not the God you claim to believe in. You're simply using your religion to hover above others.

[mokiloo]

Mao, samok kaayo nang puro negative tan-awon..
Himuon dayon ug reason nga dili na binuotan kay utro sad daw ang ubang pari.

If they want to be good, follow Don Bosco, John Paul II, St. Francis, Mother Theresa, etc.. .. . Read a book about their lives.

mao man gud ni if some something not complimenting aimed towards you or the church in this case
muningon dayon "puro negative ang tanawon"

same ra bitaw na pud sa church manghilabot sa gobyerno and also "puro negative ang ilang gtan-aw"
same pud na sa dili pwede bisan unsa isul-ob inside sa church kay ang negative outcome ang always gi tan-aw
wa lang pud gi consider nila and comfort sa nag sul-ob to the particular attire.

and katong uban muingon about this thread is sort of "plagued" by post attacking the church
don't make it sound like the church is a poor defenseless institution nga mura gi daog2x
the church is pretty much and still a juggernaut until now...all powerful and rich
Is it because its more traditional to incarcerate, demonize those non-believers or aetheist?
Is it because of majority rather than morality...tyranny of numbers?

[redhorse1L]

mao man gud ni if some something not complimenting aimed towards you or the church in this case
muningon dayon "puro negative ang tanawon"

Kay unsa man diay? you've never mention anything good about the Catholic Church.

same ra bitaw na pud sa church manghilabot sa gobyerno and also "puro negative ang ilang gtan-aw"
same pud na sa dili pwede bisan unsa isul-ob inside sa church kay ang negative outcome ang always gi tan-aw
wa lang pud gi consider nila and comfort sa nag sul-ob to the particular attire.

Huh? Puro negative ang tan-aw?
The Church stands on Faith and Morals.
So if ang Law nga gi-panday sa government, mo-lapas sa morality, then mao na mo-pyait ang Church.
Example, RH Bill, nindot man na ilang plans. Pero, unsaon man sa Church, lapas man sa morals?

and katong uban muingon about this thread is sort of "plagued" by post attacking the church
don't make it sound like the church is a poor defenseless institution nga mura gi daog2x
the church is pretty much and still a juggernaut until now...all powerful and rich
Is it because its more traditional to incarcerate, demonize those non-believers or aetheist?
Is it because of majority rather than morality...tyranny of numbers?

Wala man gi-daug2x bro.
It's like breaking the Great wall of China.
Hala, attaki lang mo permi..
Daghan na ni-attempt ug guba, bisan ang iyang mga sakop: Bishops, priests, for 2 millenia.
At the end of the day, the Church will still stand.

As Christ promised:
"Even the gates of hell shall not prevail agains it" (Matt 16:18 )

[mokiloo]

^^^tanawa ang thread title

to my understanding this is something to address the flaws of the church which aware their are quite more than just a few but that doesn't mean everything...the church of course has a lot about its glories

but let me ask you...if mag troubleshoot ka to correct something like say...looking for bugs in a program for a computer...unsa man imo pangita-on para ma identify ang sayop and to correct it?

and lets say you have a car---fancy paint job, superb interior, sound & entertainment system...the works
...but the engine is doesn't start.
unsa imo buhaton para mu work na imo car as a vessel that tranports you from one place to another other than just a mass of fancy & shiny looking metal?
mag sige ka tutuk sa iyang kanindot, maminaw sa sounds, sige ingon "wow ka nindot sa akong car nice kaayo to the max!!"

[ceannix]

The Catholic Church has its own flaws too, and that is a fact kay as human as we are, we are inclined to fail. But what makes us whole is the fact that we believe in one God who dominated all over things. Bisan tingali uban religion has its own failures but, we do not dwell on it.

People who intend to attack the church with their self righteous beliefs are plainly looking on the people that have maligned to the true intention of its foundations.

[redhorse1L]

^^^tanawa ang thread title

to my understanding this is something to address the flaws of the church which aware their are quite more than just a few but that doesn't mean everything...the church of course has a lot about its glories

Could you please site a specific example of the flaws?

I think this was already answered by ketlac:

by ketlac
Kining issues sa kwarta o negosyo sa simbahan can be answered by just simple logic. NOw gusto ka mawala ang church ug malubong lang sa kalimot kay walay pundo.? Hinumdumi nga kining mga clergy uban naay vow of poverty dili ni automatic magasto sa personal nga interest kundili sa parokya hantod moabot sa vatican but inig balik Charity institution na like hospitals , orphanage and scholarship ug ubang pang charity works. ang simbahan lang dili ayo mo disclose ani ug manghinambog sama sa mga pulitiko.

Kung moingon ta nga dili perpekto, tinuod jud na kay tawo ra ang nag managed but dili ni sya question sa teaching or doctrina. it just simply kasayopan sa namuno sa katolikong simbahan.

[mokiloo]

and about RH bill

yah ilang (the church) gi tanaw ang negative and wala nila tanawa ang benifits
kay for now even the church has trouble (but what else is new) eversince to advice its congregation
or in this case the majority here sa pinas to refrain from having too much childbirth, to many mouths to feed than the resource, too much to many to handle in terms of schooling them resulting to delinquencies which the mother to most criminals.

para nako if they preach and advice strongly to the people not to have too many kids nga kaya pakan-on or paeskwelaon....and still the population is rising and daghan mga bata tawn sa kalsada....then I guess
I will say they failed to to do and time for other measures.

Meaning just to save face in the sense of morality lets just throw away something that could actually work and address the problem, and let our society go from bad to worst basta lang "moral" tah?

naa pa gyud ni HIV or mga STDs