Questions/Doubts/Wrong Practices to the Catholic Church--Analysis and Opinion

[ketllac]

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For me I can give you my answer pro mag hulat ko sa t/s .. I am not a theologian and also not very knowledgeable about the catholic doctrine but I can also share my limited knowledge about the doctrine. I believe all practices and doctrine are biblical. Let me also clarify that Jesus didn't not create a religion but he created a church through Peter and that church is Catholic/universal. If you want to know this thing you should consult history of Christianity. Kining mga butanga dili haka haka o myth o imbento lang kun dili nahitabo ni sa history ug kini nga study gitawag Historicity.

I will share this to introduce Catholicism is the first and only Church mentioned by Jesus in the bible. Jesus didn't create Churches but created only one Church.

Historicity is the quality of being part of recorded history and the quality of being part of history as opposed to being ahistorical myth or legend. In this definition Catholicism is the only apostolic church ordained to preach the good news starting from the time Jesus gave the authority to his apostles, the Pentecost , and up to this present generation. Pentecost was when Ten days after Jesus ascended into heaven, the twelve apostles, Jesus' mother and family, and many other of His disciples gathered together in Jerusalem for the Jewish harvest festival that was celebrated on the fiftieth day of Passover. While they were indoors praying, a sound like that of a rushing wind filled the house and tongues of fire descended and rested over each of their heads. This was the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on human flesh promised by God through the prophet Joel (Joel 2:28-29). The disciples were suddenly empowered to proclaim the gospel of the risen Christ. They went out into the streets of Jerusalem and began preaching to the crowds gathered for the festival. Not only did the disciples preach with boldness and vigor, but by a miracle of the Holy Spirit they spoke in the native languages of the people present, many who had come from all corners of the Roman Empire. This created a sensation. The apostle Peter seized the moment and addressed the crowd, preaching to them about Jesus' death and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins. The result was that about three thousand converts were baptized that day. (You can read the Biblical account of Pentecost in Acts 2:1-41). History tell us that Catholic Church is not a product of protest but can be traced back from the Early Christians.


Now many would question why it is named as Catholic when early Christians and sects followed the teachings of Christ didn't have name and they didn't even called the early church as Catholic especially Roman Catholic. Some Protestant usually says that Roman Catholic was just an invention by a powerful Roman Empire named Constantine. If we study history of early Christians they actually didn't have a formal name of their church because at that time they just witnessed Christ as their savior and united as one believer as the early Christians who witnessed Christ saving gift on the Cross. Now the time came when some heretical teachings and groups tried to break and opposed the true teaching of Christ and some even considered Christ was just a man, and some groups mentioned that the only way to be saved is not to marry nor eat any meat. These groups and heretical teachings particularly the gnostic heresies were even mentioned in the bible by Paul but let us reserve this topic for a deep exegetical study. It is now generally believed that the evidence suggests that Gnosticism was a Jewish movement which subsequently reacted to Christianity or that Gnosticism emerged directly in reaction to Christianity. The name "Christian gnostic" came to represent a segment of the Early Christian community that believed that salvation lay not in merely worshiping Christ, but in psychic or pneumatic souls learning to free themselves from the material world via the revelation. (source Wikipedia). Now that was the time Catholicism came to a rescue to name the true church as Catholic to separate the true church from the heretical movements at that time. Take note early Christians and Catholics were the same people and the true believers of Christ God as savior and God. That was the time Ignatius of Antioch as considered by theologian as an earliest surviving witness wrote letter to Christians in Smyrna around 106 to the use of the term Catholic Church to warn the Christians of this heretical movements . Ignatius considered that certain heretics of his time (gnosticism), who disavowed that Jesus was a material being who actually suffered and died, saying instead that "he only seemed to suffer" (Smyrnaeans), were not really Christians. In other sects they just simply considered Christ as a mere man contrary to the true teaching that Jesus is both man and God. The history of ecclesiastical use of "catholic" followed and supported by these early Christians ; Cyril of Jerusalem, Theodosius I, Augustine of Hippo, and St Vincent of Lerins. Again with these time line , lineage, and continuity of the true Church are not pure speculation but a hard facts based on recorded history that even the founder of protestant Church didn't bother to deny. Again let me reiterate the original Church is not a product from protest or product from gullible people who read bible and interpreted it privately and then decided to create their own religion but with valid historical fact with time line, historicity, and lineage traced back from Christ to Peter up to the Popes in this generation. In this case we can say that bible alone doctrine or logic is flawed because the correct understanding of the bible must consider the historical facts and proper understanding of the text we called historical/grammatical method.

[ketllac]

Kakatapos lang ng "Beatification" ni "Pope" John Paul II. In the Next few days, marami ng maglalabasang mga PICTURES, and SCULPTURES ni John Paul II.

May bagong "Santo" na namang LULUHURAN at SASAMBAHIN ang mga Katoliko.

@ T/S ano pong masasabi nyo? di po ba bawal ito sa Biblia?

In Catholic theology there are three types of worship – one of which is condemned in the Bible if offered to anyone but God:


1) Latria – this is adoration which is given to God alone – giving this type of worship to anyone else is considered to be a mortal sin and it is the idolatry condemned in the Bible.


2) Hyperdulia – this is a special type of worship given to Mary the Mother of Jesus – it is only given to her and it is not considered to be idolatory as it is not adoration, merely reverence.


3) Dulia – this is the special type of worship given only to the saints and angels – it is also not idolatrous as it, too, is a form of reverence.

[ketllac]

Asa man na gikuha sa mga Katoliko ang mga pangalan sa 3 ka mga pastol nga gi-nganlan ug Melchor, Gaspar ug Baltazar nga wala man na sa Bibliya?

Since ang Katoliko ni believe sa holy tradition ug bible, kining mga pangalana gikan ni sa daghang sources mao ng recorded sa history like syrians which has a different name and from east asia.

source: CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Magi

The names of the Magi are as uncertain as is their number. Among the Latins, from the seventh century, we find slight variants of the names, Gaspar, Melchior, and Balthasar; the Martyrology mentions St. Gaspar, on the first, St. Melchior, on the sixth, and St. Balthasar, on the eleventh of January (Acta SS., I, 8, 323, 664). TheSyrians have Larvandad, Hormisdas, Gushnasaph, etc.; the Armenians, Kagba, Badadilma, etc. (Cf. Acta Sanctorum, May, I, 1780). Passing over the purely legendary notion that they represented the three families which are descended from Noah, it appears they all came from "the east" (Matthew 2:1, 2, 9). East of Palestine, only ancient Media, Persia, Assyria, and Babylonia had a <!--3ref=u44=xxyyyk.htm">Magian priesthood at the time of the birth of Christ. From some such part of the Parthian Empire the Magi came. They probably crossed the Syrian Desert, lying between the Euphrates and Syria, reached either Haleb (Aleppo) or Tudmor (Palmyra), and journeyed on to Damascus and southward, by what is now the great Mecca route (darb elhaj, "the pilgrim's way"), keeping the Sea of Galilee and the Jordan to their west till they crossed the ford near Jericho. We have no tradition of the precise land meant by "the east". It is Babylon, according to St. Maximus (Homil. xviii in Epiphan.); and Theodotus of Ancyra (Homil. de Nativitate, I, x); Persia, according to Clement of Alexandria (Stromata I.15) and St. Cyril of Alexandria (In Is., xlix, 12); Aribia, according to St. Justin (Cont. Tryphon., lxxvii), Tertullian (Adv. Jud., ix), and St. Epiphanius (Expos. fidei, viii).

Now wala ni sa bible sama sad sa real name ni God nga lisod i conclude ang tinood name sa hebrew origin kay nagtoo sila sa una nga kung mo sulti ka ani "yhwh" magabaan ka kay pina ka holy ni nga name. wala pa nahibaw-i ang iya vowel ani mao ni gitawag ug tetra-grammaton. NOw kung moingon ta dili makit-an sa bible ang name sa tulo ka magi sama sad nga ang bible dili accurate ang name ni God. Pero karon gibutangan na nila ug vowel mao ng Yahweh. para lang mabasa.

[Mr_NicePrice]

ngano sa tanang religion sa kalibutan ang catholic man jud... nganong d man ang uban religion inyong e question nya e doubt ilang practices...

hatag lang ko example: second collection sa simbahan, mobayad pamisa, bayad sa baptism <<< these are usual comments sa uban na pangwarta kuno ang simbahan, my opinion is dili man cguro, the church does this para maka serve pag ayo sa mga tao, mag yaw2x man gani mo inig sulod nnu sa cr sa simbahan kay baho, makalingkod mog hugaw na chair, alimout kay walay e.fan or d mo kadungog sa pari kay bati ang sound system... mao ni purpose sa mga collection sa simbahan... laliman kag pag maintain anang simbahan nya walay fundings... d man gani mo moluhod ug walay ludhanan kay hadlok magkabuling inyong tuhod, magpanagana man gani mog hatag ug 50 sa colekta 20 ra jud nya mag doubt2x pa mo ahaha... kung naa man gani mo angay e doubt ug e question mao ang inyong kaugalingon...

if kani lang mga gagmayng butang inyo basihan sa inyong faith then better not believe sa catholic na religion...

[ketllac]

nganong naa man daghan tao nga nagbase sa bibliya? kinsa diay nahimo sa bibliya? dba tao ra sab?

For me duha ang basehanan sa katoliko mao ang holy tradition ug holy bible. Ang bible binuhat ra na ug tawo but kanang mga authors kay naay first hand o second hand experience ni Jesus. Before sa pag katawo ni Jesus naa nay prophecy nga mag pakatao ang mesiah siya aron ma kiglaban sa kaaway sa israel. kini evident sa panag na ni Isaiah. kini maoy extension sa gingharian ni David "Davidic Kingdom". Nahimo ni syang bible kay gisulat ni sa mga tawo katong naay nay na imbento nga papel ug pang sulat. Nahimo ni syang basehan sa ato pag too kay gi record ang history sa holy/oral tradition para sa bag ong panahon nga mao na kita. Aside from that ang Church naay basbas sa holy spirit to screened or examined kung unsay angay i include sa bible o unsay angay isalikway nga sinulat.

[ketllac]

Sa unang panahon most of them uniform ang pag tuo niabot lang ning divisions sa Christianity tungod sa mga Gnostic heresies ug pag rebelde ni Martin Luther sa Katolikong simbahan. Lain paminawon nga ang imo religion produkto sa protesta, mismo si Kristo wala ni encourage ug rebellion sama sa iyang pag ingon “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s, Kini nag pasabot nga pwede unta ma unite ang ato differences sa kalibutan without an aggressive action nga makahatag ug panag away tali sa mga Kristiano. Mismo ang simbahang katoliko wala ni claim nga kun dili ka katoliko di ka maluwas, ang simbahan mismo ni ingon nga ang salvation is free ug dili exclusive lang sa katoliko nga sukwahi ayo sa ubang relihiyon nga exclusive salvation para nila.

Tan awa karon more 1500 Christian churces na ang na mugna without any connection historically to the time of Jesus. Nimugna lang sila kay feel nila maayo na sila sa bible ug ni claim sad sila nga nakig-istorya sa Ginoo. wala pay labot ang mga Kulto ana ha. Susama sad nga di ka claim nga ikaw naay royal blood if you check the lineage back.

Kining issues sa kwarta o negosyo sa simbahan can be answered by just simple logic. NOw gusto ka mawala ang church ug malubong lang sa kalimot kay walay pundo.? Hinumdumi nga kining mga clergy uban naay vow of poverty dili ni automatic magasto sa personal nga interest kundili sa parokya hantod moabot sa vatican but inig balik Charity institution na like hospitals , orphanage and scholarship ug ubang pang charity works. ang simbahan lang dili ayo mo disclose ani ug manghinambog sama sa mga pulitiko.


Kung moingon ta nga dili perpekto, tinuod jud na kay tawo ra ang nag managed but dili ni sya question sa teaching or doctrina. it just simply kasayopan sa namuno sa katolikong simbahan.

[splendid moonlight]

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

[LeeLeePot]

So Religion for you is only for naming convention?
Does the teachings of your religion Influenced your Faith?

Forum baya ni, naa jud mangutana - exchange of ideas man kaha ni. Ang uban nahan makahibalo sa imung ideas or explanation why man imu i question if naay mangutana.

If para nimu sakto imu gibarugan dapat makabalo ka mu tubag.

daghang gainfluence sa akong faith kai masking asa lage ko gasimba dli lan sa simbahang katoliko..nkasimba nako sa INC, sa Born Again, sa Charismatic, kulang nlan musulod kog mosque. daghan kog amigo nga lahi lahi ang religion ug tinuohan..naa ko friend nga buddhist, naa ko friend na wiccan, naa ko friend nga atheist....peo masking unsa man kalahi sa among religion, d man mangaway sama nimo ug d man lge mubother ug pangutana nganong ingani ang katoliko..masking ako katoliko waa nmn gane ko gabother nganong ingana ang ubang pari. ang importante kai waa koi giargabyado nga tao..tell me, naa ba diay koi makuha or marealize nga lightbulb moment pag mahibaw'an nako ang tubag anang mga pangutana nimo? heheheh...

[j0ey_83]

im not strictly catholic as i too have some doubts on some of their practices. but i still respect them since they are the first ones to preach the Word of God. they started preaching even before the Bible was made.

[nealotol]

daghan na kaau nag mga sipyat gipanghimo ang mga catholic church ron,, grabe nasad kaau ang ilang pangwarta.. ug dili hinoon uban nag himo ani,pero naa jud pipila.