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  1. #291

    Default Re: ***truth about jesus christ!


    Here is a common misunderstanding:
    This refers to Jesus
    John 1:14
    And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    Usually they would conclude that Jesus was not God but the word of God here on earth.
    But who is really this "word" which is referred in John chapter 1?
    Go back a few verses back to John 1:1 you will see the answer

    John 1
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    The word which is being referred to as the "word of God" which is Jesus was God.

    If we based our concept of Jesus in The bible there is no question about Jesus Divinity.

    If we just cut words from the Bible claiming that Jesus was not God but just a man yes he is a man but if you read the Bible in its entirety you will see that Jesus was just a man which they are correct but at the same time has divinity.
    Jesus was not equal to God in his existence here on earth since he was made a little lower than the angels. However Jesus is fully divine before he came to earth and after his ascension to heaven.
    201 - Just Another Man? - Amazing Discoveries TV

    Either you believe Jesus as a Liar or the Messiah.
    but not a prophet of God because No prophet is a liar.

    No prophet in the new testament is as center or as being numerously prophesied in the old testament as the life of Jesus.
    Last edited by Kenshiro; 04-15-2011 at 09:39 AM.

  2. #292

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    so you are saying that those who engage in animal sacrifices before the birth of jesus are saved even though they do not know him. while those in the present and the future must hear about jesus and accept him as savior so that they will be saved. for that to happen, chrisitianity must be cover the world because it is the only true religion for the salvation of mankind. there must be only one religion in the world. how does that differ with one world that you say satan is propagating?

  3. #293

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    Quote Originally Posted by miyay View Post
    so you are saying that those who engage in animal sacrifices before the birth of jesus are saved even though they do not know him. while those in the present and the future must hear about jesus and accept him as savior so that they will be saved. for that to happen, chrisitianity must be cover the world because it is the only true religion for the salvation of mankind. there must be only one religion in the world. how does that differ with one world that you say satan is propagating?
    God directly communicates to people in early parts of the old testament. Of course when they(gentiles) do not know God, they would not repent, because they do no know they have sinned.

    Why we Christians should spread the news.
    Spoiler! 
    We spread the news because this is what God has been doing ever since Genesis 12, for His Glory. He promised something to Abraham. Genesis 12:1-3 says, The LORD had said to Abraham, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you. I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.“

    Take note that the previous chapter, Genesis 11 is the story of the tower of Babel, which is created by man "so that they may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth" (Genesis 11:4). As you may notice, what's at stake here is God's name, His glory, so he did what man feared most, to be scattered over the face of the whole earth by confusing their language.


    Let's go back to His promise to Abraham, that He would bless him and that he would be a blessing to all people or nations on earth. You would notice that God's promise to Abraham is two-fold, that Abraham would be blessed, and that he would be a blessing to the whole world. Right after God confused man's language and scattered them over all the earth, He already had a plan of blessing them already. Isn't that amazing? Anyway, so we know why God promised to bless Abraham, so that he may also bless everyone else. Anyway, God is so serious about this promise to Abraham that he repeated it to Abraham's child, Isaac, and to the child of his child ,Jacob. (See Gen 26:4 and Gen 28:14) This only shows how God is passionate about His promise - To not only bless Abraham, but to bless all nations on earth. In fact, when you study the Bible, from Genesis 12 to the last book of the old testament, It is the fulfillment of God's first promise. In another fact, It was during this time that Israel was in its peak especially during the rule of David and Solomon, when the whole world looked up to the country of Israel.

    Wait, how about the second promise? God did fulfill that too, and the first few book of the New Testament talks about it.

    Galatians 3:16 says, "The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ." Need I say more? Christ is the fulfillment of the second promise, He is the ultimate blessing, because through him, salvation was made available to mankind. The favorite verse, John 3:16, says, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." That alone, should be enough for a real Christian, no more "Lord give me this" or "Lord give me that" prayers.

    Christ not only secured salvation, but also, He prepared his disciples to preach the news to all the nations. (Matthew 28:18-20) "Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." He did this because one cannot believe something without knowing it, John 3:16 says "That whoever believes".

    Jesus did not forget the original plan of the Father, he trained a group of people to pass on the blessings to all the nations, so that God's promise would be fulfilled.

    You see how God is passionate in pursuing the nations. In fact, he even set the end of age according to the nations. Matthew 24:3-14 is the conversation of Jesus and his disciples, who on that time wanted to know when the second coming would be. It says,

    "As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?“ Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ, ' and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. "

    There are still ALOT of nations which are unreached by this gospel, 2012 is a far-flung guess.

    In Revelations, God gave us a glimpse why he wanted to reach all the nations.

    Revelations 7:9-10 says, "After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. And they cried out in a loud voice: "Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."

    It said that each nation was represented. That's what he wanted.


    You already answered your own question, Satan is propagating the other.

    To God be the glory.

  4. #294

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    Quote Originally Posted by WordofGod View Post
    Can you prove to us that the doctrine of the trinity is wrong? Please share your expounded views daw be.
    i did. but i wouldn't waste any more time. the last time was frustrating. the 3 visitors of Abram is usually where good apologists go in their attempt to define the trinity. but you failed in this area bro,sorry.

  5. #295

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    Quote Originally Posted by WordofGod View Post
    wala pako nakakita ug video nga naglisud siya ug tubag bai. in fact, most questions that were thrown at him were all answered in a logical manner. Tingali sa imo rang pangutana maglisud sya..hehhhe,but try lang you can email them at their website..Welcome to Ravi Zacharias International Ministries.

    Try daw brod. If you will have free time.
    naglisod bitaw to siya,hehe. no need to email them oi, naa nakoy evidence nga naglisod siya og tobag,katong link imong gihatag.

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  7. #297

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    Quote Originally Posted by WordofGod View Post
    Hello Brod,

    Hope this link will shed us a deeper understanding of the doctrine of the trinity.

    Trinity: Fact or Fiction? - Part 1

    Yes, this doctrine is a bit confusing if we really don't know the truths behind it. Even Thomas at first didn't believe that HE (Jesus) was God incarnate and only after He resurrected.

    Joh:20:25: The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
    Joh:20:26: And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
    Joh:20:27: Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
    Joh:20:28: And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
    Joh:20:29: Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

    Joh:20:30: And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
    no problem with Jesus being God. Psalm 82:6
    I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

    BUT if you use it to mean that he is equal to the Father i would have to say that you are wrong.

  8. #298

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    Quote Originally Posted by technowar View Post
    for the discovery to be credible its important that Jesus' signature can be seen in the nails. hey it can be anybody's nails.

  9. #299

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    Quote Originally Posted by malic_2 View Post
    no problem with Jesus being God. Psalm 82:6
    I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

    BUT if you use it to mean that he is equal to the Father i would have to say that you are wrong.
    There is a mystery in the Godhead brod and we cannot grasp its fulness. If we are unable to explain everything in this physical universe, how much more of the very being who created it! We can only understand its fulness when we shall see God face to face.

    Isaiah 55:8-9 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways”, declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher then the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts.

    What I've known is that they are co-equal and co-existing. It is very illogical to compare the persons in the Godhead with one from the other since they go along in perfect harmony in love and unity throughout eternity.

    The idea that the Father is higher or more powerful than the Son will come into mind since the Son became man to become the perfect sacrifice and example for us. But try to consider Christ status with the father before his incarnation and after his resurrection!

    The Church fathers on John 1:1

    Does John 1:1 teach us of 2 ‘gods’ (a greater and a lesser one) as the Watchtower teach, or 2 facets of the same God. Let’s see how the early Church Fathers addressed this same heresy.

    Hippolytus (from Rome) was the disciple of Irenaeus, the disciple of Polycarp, the disciple of John himself. He wrote in circa A.D. 205:

    “If, then the Word was with God and was also God, what follows? Would one say that I speak of two Gods? I will not indeed speak of two Gods, but of one. I speak of two Persons, however, and of a third Economy - the grace of the Holy Spirit”.

    Tertullian of Carthage in North Africa (c. A.D. 213) wrote:

    “Now, if He too is God, for according to John, 'The Word was God,' then you have two Beings-One who commands that the thing to be made, and the other who creates. In what sense, however, you ought to understand Him to be another. I have already explained: on the ground of personality, not of substance. And in the way of distinction, not of division. I must everywhere hold only one substance, in three coherent and inseparable [persons]”

    This link explains it well..
    Trinity: Fact or Fiction? - Part 1

  10. #300

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    Quote Originally Posted by miyay View Post
    so you are saying that those who engage in animal sacrifices before the birth of jesus are saved even though they do not know him. while those in the present and the future must hear about jesus and accept him as savior so that they will be saved. for that to happen, chrisitianity must be cover the world because it is the only true religion for the salvation of mankind. there must be only one religion in the world. how does that differ with one world that you say satan is propagating?
    Satan is propagating these false churches and belief system.
    In the old testament there were Gods Prophets and idol worshipers. Today there is also idol worship which are false churches.

    History of the Catholic Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    in 120A.D. Rome could no longer control the vast growth of underground Christians so they decided to give their pagan gods christian names and called their religion "Catholic" meaning "Universal". all information below are based on the Catholic Church's History
    If there is a true Church unfortunately there are false churches.
    Last edited by Kenshiro; 04-16-2011 at 02:11 AM. Reason: Simplified explanation

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