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[ketllac]

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diba ang bible is more like a novel written by novelist 2000 years ago about a certain person who claims to be the messiah?

im just wondering; why do people uses bible quotes when the bible is just written by man,
and dont even told me that the bible is the word of GOD since even stories from the four gospels of the new testaments contains differ to each other.

For me quoting the bible from different places is just plain crazy. No biasedness aside, the bible is written by men. And if we apply religious biasedness to it many will say "Yes it is written by man but inspired by God or angels". Then i will contradict with "Then why the hell there are difference and inconsistencies among the four gospels with supposedly tells the story of the same person"? are the angels drunk on that day?

And if jesus died for all our sins past present and future, then why the hell there are still preachers around,
so if i follow all you guys are saying, dba saved naman unta tang tanan?
DLi na ko mocare If i do something "sinfull" tonight..

were my "sins" already paid by jesus or not?
if so then can I kill anyone tommorow then?
and who define what is a sin and what is not anyways?

OT: im not a heretic but im just here to challenge your dedication to the bible.

Naa kay point bai. Kaning bible kay sinulat ra man nig tawo pero kaning mga tawhana naa ni fist hand experience ni Jesus like ni John the beloved nga nag tuo nga si Kristo Ginoo.

Kung imo examinon daghang incosistencies ang synoptics mao ng four Gospels labi na sa ilahang mga nag kalahilahing accounts. Una imong tan awon kining mga writers nag kalain lain ug background ug nag kalain lain usab ug audience nga ilang gi addressan sa ila sinulat. Si Mark naay pag ka hellenistic ang iya istilo kay gi address man niya sa mga Gentile Greek. Ug lain lain sad ila istilo sa pag sulat labi na si Luke nga usa ka doctor ug edukado lahi sa istilo ni Matthew nga gituuhang tax collector lamang. Pero kining tanan ni point sa usa ka tema nga si Kristo Ginoo. Incosistency pero dili pasabot nga sayop ang bible. Sa laing bahin sa pagkahitabo anang ilang gisulat wala sila diha o nag kalain lain ang oras sa ilang pag arrived sa scene (mura soco hehehe) lain iya nakit an. Like sa usa ka writer ang sermon of the mount naa sa ubos sa bukid nya sa usa ka writer naa sa babao sa bukid. pareha na sa abs cbn ug gma usahay nag report ug gubat dili pareha ang casualties kay ang GMA network na ulahi gamay pag arrived nya anang aktoha daghan na patay. Pero kung imo isettle ang synoptics makakuha kag common denominator nga si Jesus both God and man.

Ang bible dili epektibo kung wala ang simbahan nga nag compile ug gitagaan ug tahas sa mugna kay wala mismo sa bible nga niingon si Jesus sa pag mugna niini. Sama ra sad sa ato constitution nga naay supreme court justices nga mo interpret niini. Walay bible nga naa karon sa mga pastor kung wala ang simbahan nga nag compile ani. Importante ang bible as a recorded history nga sinulat ug tawo isip evidencya nga nag pakatawo ang mangluluwas.

Kanang Once saved always saved is unbliblical. (OSAS) kay grammatically ang bible nagahisgut ug present future, ug past nga kaluwasan. Kitang tanan pwede mawala ang kaluwasan gamit atong will. Mao ni ilang gibasihan "My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand" now what if mulukso ko sa iya hand mismo like sa imo gisulti nga mopatay kag tawo. bai naa kay point diha.

usahay ang ato private interpretasyon sa bible kay maka cause ug lalis nga walay katapusan.

[WordofGod]

we have a nice sharing today brods. i learned something also. hope dili motagam ang uban ug share sad...hehhe.

[malic_2]

Okay I agree. I think the concept of a cube, a 3 dimesional object will best fit this analogy.

YouTube - The Law of Non-Contradiction and the Trinity

Then what;s wrong with the Trinity?

it's still wrong. the 3 visitors of Abraham in the book of Genesis contradicts your cube analogy.

you created this problem in the first place,so the question you asked is actually for you.

[WordofGod]

If you don't mind, can you please expound the contradictions of it referring to the visitors of Abraham?

So, do you mean the Apostles who were the firsthand witnesses of the Lord Jesus Christ who wrote this idea of the trinity were wrong with their beliefs?

[malic_2]

If you don't mind, can you please expound the contradictions of it referring to the visitors of Abraham?

So, do you mean the Apostles who were the firsthand witnesses of the Lord Jesus Christ who wrote this idea of the trinity were wrong with their beliefs?

how many tents did Abram wanted to make?

did the Apostles mentioned trinity? where?

[malic_2]

YouTube - The Law of Non-Contradiction and the Trinity

i bet the crowd were more confuse after the question was answered. the guy missed the target.

[WordofGod]

how many tents did Abram wanted to make?

did the Apostles mentioned trinity? where?

Honestly brod, i don;t have much knowledge about some stories in the OT. But can you please share the contradiction in the doctrine of the trinity you meant with respect to it?

This is just an excerpt...
Trinity Doctrine Biblical?

Since the word “Trinity” doesn’t appear in the Bible, some wonder whether the early church simply invented the doctrine. The term “trinity” comes from the Latin trinitas. This term was used by the church father Tertullian (ca. A.D. 160-230) who wrote about “a trinity of one divinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” Some are troubled that the word “trinity” doesn’t appear in the Bible. But the absence of this word in no way invalidates the doctrine. Many important biblical concepts are conveyed by terms not actually contained in the Bible — for example, terms like Bible, canon, and inerrancy. Surely nothing in the text prohibits the use of extrabiblical terms to express proper meaning. Although the word Trinity doesn’t appear, Scripture clearly reveals the doctrine.
Here is the Trinity doctrine in six biblically based propositions:

1. There is one, and only one, God (1 Timothy 2:5).
2. The person of the Father is God (2 Peter 1:17).
   -For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
3. The person of the Son is God (Titus 2:13).
   -Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
4. The person of the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4).
   -But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
   -Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct and simultaneously distinguishable persons (Luke 3:22).
   -And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
6. The three persons (Father or God; and Son or Christ or Lord; and Holy Spirit or Spirit) are frequently listed together in a triadic pattern of unity and equality (John 14:26).
   -But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Thus, the Trinity doctrine is derived directly from the content of Scripture. Though the apostles of Jesus were Jewish monotheists who believed strictly in one God, they nevertheless recognized that two other persons (the Son and the Holy Spirit) were spoken of as God. All three persons possessed the qualities and prerogatives of deity. The apostles therefore modified traditional Jewish monotheism in light of the revelation concerning the Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Spirit.

It calls for a common sense. Same thing with the word family in the case of Adam and Eve. The bible did not mention that word but it is obvious and rightful to say that they are the first family. The word trinity only comes AFTER Jesus reveals himself as God and one with the father and the Holy Spirit which they sent also.

[malic_2]

Honestly brod, i don;t have much knowledge about some stories in the OT. But can you please share the contradiction in the doctrine of the trinity you meant with respect to it?

This is just an excerpt...
Trinity Doctrine Biblical?

Since the word “Trinity” doesn’t appear in the Bible, some wonder whether the early church simply invented the doctrine. The term “trinity” comes from the Latin trinitas. This term was used by the church father Tertullian (ca. A.D. 160-230) who wrote about “a trinity of one divinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” Some are troubled that the word “trinity” doesn’t appear in the Bible. But the absence of this word in no way invalidates the doctrine. Many important biblical concepts are conveyed by terms not actually contained in the Bible — for example, terms like Bible, canon, and inerrancy. Surely nothing in the text prohibits the use of extrabiblical terms to express proper meaning. Although the word Trinity doesn’t appear, Scripture clearly reveals the doctrine.
Here is the Trinity doctrine in six biblically based propositions:

1. There is one, and only one, God (1 Timothy 2:5).
2. The person of the Father is God (2 Peter 1:17).
3. The person of the Son is God (Titus 2:13).
4. The person of the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4).
5. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct and simultaneously distinguishable persons (Luke 3:22).
6. The three persons (Father or God; and Son or Christ or Lord; and Holy Spirit or Spirit) are frequently listed together in a triadic pattern of unity and equality (John 14:26).

Thus, the Trinity doctrine is derived directly from the content of Scripture. Though the apostles of Jesus were Jewish monotheists who believed strictly in one God, they nevertheless recognized that two other persons (the Son and the Holy Spirit) were spoken of as God. All three persons possessed the qualities and prerogatives of deity. The apostles therefore modified traditional Jewish monotheism in light of the revelation concerning the Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Spirit.

It calls for a common sense. Same thing with the word family in the case of Adam and Eve. The bible did not mention that word but it is obvious and rightful to say that they are the first family. The word trinity only comes after Jesus reveals himself as God and one with the father and the Holy Spirit which they sent also.

with due respect bai,that would be a waste of time. I'm looking at your username and hearing you confessed your lack of familiarity of the story of Abram's visitors is quite frustrating.

well the word MODALISM isn't in the bible either but they can be proven by scriptures too.

[WordofGod]

There are lots of brilliant Christian Apologist out there. Maybe you can try to challenge them or ask anything about Christian doctrines which seem contradictory on your part.

It;s just a name brod No problem with it. And i don't even believe that you know all the stories of the bible either. do you?

I believe that in every able man, behind him there is always another able man

[WordofGod]

YouTube - The Law of Non-Contradiction and the Trinity

i bet the crowd were more confuse after the question was answered. the guy missed the target.

I would encourage you to try to challenge that guy