conspiracy theories

[rodsky]

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I'll post these two images, as a sort of test/demonstration. I can infer from the possible reactions to these photos, the kinds of people (and the mentality of people) who adhere to "Apollo Hoax" theories:





-RODION

[neshem]

apil2 ko dri ha, wala koy lingaw, il just share my opinion..

"when do you see a fire with white smoke all around?"
- kung ang raw diesel nimo sa sakyanan mogawas sa exhaust nga unburned.
-kung naay tubig, mahimong steam ang tubig given na init 100C sa atmospheric pressure.
-sa flare sa planta pag sobra ang steam for ionization
- "cold" combustion

"if there was a real fire with intense heat enough to melt a concrete cement covered (aside from the asbestos foamed covering the) steel frames. what would be the color of the smoke?"

-first jet fuel burns around 426 -816 C , ang melting temp sa steel around 1510 C... (ingon diay sa report nangatunaw ang steel?) u dont need to melt the steel frame of a tower para mapa collapse nimo, they just have to lose some of their structural strenght, gamay ra na exposure sa heat kaya na na. ur a chemical engineer, u know na if ma expose sa init metal will expand at both ends, pero pag dili na cya maka expand it will sag and the surrounding concrete cracks. 50% sa steel strenght mawala na at 523 C, around 900 C 10% na lang bilin. dili lang kay ang jet fuel ang nasunog ato hasta mga combustibles material nga naa sa palibot, so mas taas ang temp ato than 800, probably around 900- 1000. ang jet fuel ang ignition source pero ang pagkasunog sa mga combustibles maoy responsible sa heat transfer paingon sa ubos.color of smoke, brownish to black.

"what is the color of the smoke in the 911 wtc building?"

naay black og naay brown/grey

"the presence of white smoke indicates that combustion is incomplete,
or not enough oxygen to burn all molecules of whatever is combustible element or compound present in the building.
that alone is proof that there was no intense fire and heat"

white smoke? ur prefering sa brown/dusty smoke? incomplte combustion doc kay black man ang smoke dba? white smoke kay indication water evaporating( dont know unsay humidity didto ana nga time)
basin ur refering white smoke sa engine start, pareho s gimention nkosa taas na pag maka escape ang raw diesel ( vapour cloud). ur asking proof of intense fire enough mo melt sa steel right para mo collapse ang tower? again, dili need og melting temp para maka collapse.

"in fact in the video of the building collapsing, all you see are white smoke of dust."

-there u are "white smoke of dust", sko mata brown/grey

"and if the plane is the source of the fuel that burns and melt the steel frames,
how did it reached the ground floor and melt the frames there too?"

-yes the plane or the jet fuel maoy source sa pag burn, but not melting the steel frames, how did it reached the ground, naay mga reporter nakakita nga na down ang elevator pag abri naay kalayo, xmpre ang jet fuel na wala dayon ma ignite naog gyud, source sa heat (not intense enough to melt) but tangtang ang strenght sa steel. why mahugdo ang isa ka tower? sa video na una nag collapse kay ang taas sa floor nga nabangaan dba? once nagsugod og collapse ang sa taas, tanan weight atong floor sa taas paingon gyud sa ubos na intact pa, wa nakayanan sa kato na floor tanan energy( pag collapse sa taas) og ang init nga nagpahumok na, aw chain reaction gyud collapse paingon sa ubos. sa engineering ang tawag ana kay "pancaking" dba? and it does not require an explosion to begin.

tanan building contain huge volume of air, while nahitabo ang "pancaking" kato nga volume sa air, uban sa concrete og uban pa butang nga na pulverized sa force sa collpase ni eject sa building with enourmous energy.mao nga nakita to nga "cloud", maka ingon kag controlled demolition ang nahitabo. but mao na effect sa pancaking.



"because in the ground floor of the building are part of the steel frames that are cut and not bent or melted.
they were cut demolition style using what is possibly thermite"

cut jud doc? basin na bend?

[Kenshiro]

People who try to implant rubish conspiracy theories are just full of unscientific and unproven facts, full of heresy.
I cant bear to read all this rubbish particularly the fake lunar landing. Your claims are nothing but gossips. If you compare it with NASA's well documented expedition to the moon based on scientific data.
Your explanation is get facts here and there jumble them up and come up with a theory. If you crop a book with its sentences and words and put them together you can make whatever story that you want.
We can observe that during the lunar landing the spacecraft was a very plausible technology during that time. With the advancement of technology and time,
NASA probes can even go as far as neptune and at the outskirts of solar system.

Stop listening to conspiracy theories and fill yourself with Gossip instead listen more to NASA scientific studies which gives you more concrete scientific evidences and facts.

[Kenshiro]

I know a conspiracy when I see one.
If I were a conspirator
With the magnitude of this conspiracy paying all of the 500,000 employees organizations including NASA top engineers and scientist to conspire and show a grand act of making people believe that we humans landed on the MOON. I cant imagine how expensive it would be and how hard would it be to cover up. It would be a stupendous undertaking.

would it be more effective to conspire with all the scientific technology, the brilliance of the of top calliber engineer and scientist and decades of research backing you up to just land on the moon for real?

[Daiquiri]

People think differently, some people pay attention to details from general to very specific things. We don't blame them for being like that. This thread is supposed to be open for a person's opinion about such conspiracies. Let's stop that "Stop listening to conspiracy theories", "Why do they oppose on such things?" etc etc, like SRSLY, we're free to share what we believe, if you're not into it, then don't bother. Just let them be. Let them speak for what they believe.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

well, let just say that if a picture speaks a thousand words.
a video speaks a million.

Lets just say ? That is not certain because it is opinionated .

i believe in videos, as long as it was raw and not doctored or unedited (with special effects, etc)
more than words.

Who would not ? Like you said , as long as its not edited nor doctored then its ok but how did you know its RAW and REAL ? Because it was showed a million times also ? Why rely on it ? Because it spoke a million like you said ?

youtube or not.
do not underestimate the information and power of youtube.
we produced a lot of talents through it.

Talents ? Of course ! But why would you compare CHARICE PEMPEMCO with CONSPIRACY THEORIES that were debunked a decade ago ?

enough with articles written by whoever.

Why ? Articles with valid scientific research and conclusion , documented accounts , explanations and investigations makes more sense than watching a YOUTUBE VIDEO and assume severythiing because it spoke a MILLION WORDS , the thing is .... how did you interpret it ?

when do you see a fire with white smoke all around?

if there was a real fire with intense heat enough to melt a concrete cement covered (aside from the asbestos foamed covering the) steel frames. what would be the color of the smoke?
what is the color of the smoke in the 911 wtc building?

the presence of white smoke indicates that combustion is incomplete,
or not enough oxygen to burn all molecules of whatever is combustible element or compound present in the building.
that alone is proof that there was no intense fire and heat

in fact in the video of the building collapsing, all you see are white smoke of dust.

brief answers are here .

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - The Fires

and if the plane is the source of the fuel that burns and melt the steel

because in the ground floor of the building are part of the steel frames that are cut and not bent or melted.
they were cut demolition style using what is possibly thermite.

brief answers are here and I do hope you read and digest it once .

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Molten Steel

My suggestion , read the rest of the contents of the anticipated questions of consporay theorist since all the answers and explanations are there .

[THE SKULLS]

asa gani ni nga state?

[THE SKULLS]

so if i played a simulation of going to the moon perfectly it means i could go to the moon already?

hahahaha..



do you have flying hours rods? are you a student pilot?
did you fly this plane by your own, or with a pilot holding the other manubela.

I'm always having fun with my kid playing simulation of a 450 helicopter, I know the feel and the ambiance is not the same with the real thing.
You don't have to fear na ma crash.

[THE SKULLS]

and more impossible to think that you can LAND that plane alone with mere flight simulation experience.
thus the video games analogy.

and why do you think it is against civilian flight rules?

lisod jud i-land, bisan sa video games. kahinumdum ko sa nintendo family computer, lisod i-land tong topgun.

[pantaleon]

asa gani ni nga state?

Sa Arizona ni! Black and white paman ang mga camera sa una gud!