Diplomatic row between the Philippines and Taiwan worsens

[Romeojin]

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^ I wonder whats the procedure if these Taiwanese had committed crimes in China and Japan? they gonna cut them in halves

Deportation is sending back someone to his native country or port of entry, it never says to the country(ies) he had crime. If you send back someone to his country, those countries who wants him can issue Extradition order or equivalent diplomatic procedure to face his charges.

But even so they did it right, whats the excuse of our student council government for defying the writ of habeas corpus. thats our own procedure they are violating

we had 70K+ Filipino workers in Taiwan compared that to less than 10K in china, we should weight it in that terms.

[john_yo]

mora man ni og bayot si lee, ngano iya man apilon ang manga 80,000 OFW's na wala man na silay labot. he should fight og kinsa iya ka atubang og dili cya mo hamit og lain tawo para taming sa gubat aron dili cya ma igo. nagpa klaro lang cya sa iyang pagka talawan.

[Romeojin]

Manila Standard Today -- Taiwan may ship home an initial 3,000 Filipinos -- 2011/february/23

TAIWAN’S President Ma Ying-jeou on Tuesday condemned the Philippines for what he called its wrongful deportation of 14 Taiwanese fraud suspects to China and demanded an official apology from Manila, the Central News Agency reported.
Speaking during a meeting with President Benigno Aquino III’s special envoy, former Senator Manuel Roxas II, Ma said the government and the Taiwanese people were furious over the deportations and called on Manila to assume full responsibility and apologize, the news agency said.
As a result, Taiwan might not extend the contract of 3,000 Filipino workers every month, Roxas said.
“[The] Future relations between our two countries will hinge on your government’s follow-up measures,” Ma told Roxas, who arrived in Taipei Monday.
Roxas held closed-door meetings with Taiwan’s foreign affairs minister, Timothy C. T. Yang, from 2 pm Monday to 1:30 am Tuesday without offering an apology.
Despite the lack of progress, Taiwan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs arranged for Roxas to meet with Ma as a diplomatic courtesy, and Ma immediately conveyed Taiwan’s dismay over the incident.
“The government of Taiwan and its people were deeply dissatisfied with the Philippines’ inappropriate deportation of 14 Taiwanese citizens to the Chinese mainland, “ a grim-faced Ma told Roxas.
In dealing with the issue, Ma said, the Philippine government committed at least three mistakes.

Firstly, the Philippines violated international law when it failed to repatriate the 14 Taiwanese back to their home country after expelling them.


Secondly, while the 14 Taiwanese had entered the Philippines legally with valid Taiwan passports, Filipino officials claimed that they had no legal travel documents.
“Your officials’ claim was a sheer lie,” Ma said.


Thirdly, Ma said, since the lawyer for the Taiwanese suspects had already obtained a writ of habeas corpus issued by the Philippines’ Court of Appeals on Jan. 31, the Philippine government violated its own country’s laws when it deported the Taiwanese to China on Feb. 2.
“Ignoring your own country’s law was not what a democratic government should have done,” Ma said.


Roxas told ABS-CBN News that he received a clear message from Taiwan.
“They are really angry. They want us to say sorry. It’s one of their requirements, but we can’t do that,” he said.
“For them, it’s all about their national pride. They keep on telling us: What if the same happens to the Philippines? [Wouldn’t] we get mad if our nationals [were] deported somewhere else?”

I feel sorry for these 3000 hard working Filipinos, could these be an exchange for those 3 convicted drug pushers in China?

matuwid na daan..

[wikki]

@Romeojin - our gov. did weight in the long term effect. We may have 80k+ OFWS in Taiwan but our economy is primarily being fueled by China (No not America and this is fact). Our Country owes China billions worth of debt used for local projects, we purchase tons of materials and supplies from China to power our local industries and mojority of our BIG investors are Chinese nationals. what the hell do you think would happen if they turned againts China over Taiwan, unless you plan to be the next version of Argentina before.

oh and plus more debt for the 3 criminals that Pinoy saved in China, this will come back and bite us in the ass in the near future.

[Romeojin]

@Romeojin - our gov. did weight in the long term effect. We may have 80k+ OFWS in Taiwan but our economy is primarily being fueled by China (No not America and this is fact). Our Country owes China billions worth of debt used for local projects, we purchase tons of materials and supplies from China to power our local industries and mojority of our BIG investors are Chinese nationals. what the hell do you think would happen if they turned againts China over Taiwan, unless you plan to be the next version of Argentina before.

oh and plus more debt for the 3 criminals that Pinoy saved in China, this will come back and bite us in the ass in the near future.

There is nothing wrong if we side with the International Law and we upheld our own law The Chinese can understand that, if si GMA pa ang president ron she will abide with the laws and talk to the Chinese officials that what we are doing is right.

If daghan ta utang sa China, it doesnt mean himuon ta ug puppet and disregard laws. Ang US gani 750B+ $ ang utang nila sa China, nahimo ba sila puppet? The Chinese control their currency thats one reason why nations buy supplies from them, its ridiculously cheap. kadaghan ug demand sa ila and yet the price remains the same to the point economy of the west and other nations is in recession, cause companies move to China.

Those 3 drug pusher would likely be executed cause the Chinese will abide to their own law and 3K pinoy workers will never see job in Taiwan cause of this government blunder.

[Hammer_and_Sickle]

push federalism para di na ma-among ang cebu sa ka hang-gaw sa atong gobyerno karon

[badtrigger]

Yeah, I'm starting to believe that Joker Arroyo was right when he said that PNOY is running a student government.

[peewee_toot]

push federalism para di na ma-among ang cebu sa ka hang-gaw sa atong gobyerno karon

agree ko ani. nindot baya tag standing sa ubang countries...

[Romeojin]

The Daily Tribune - Without Fear or Favor

‘Chiz’ wants immigration boss sacked over Taiwanese deportation row

The head of the Bureau of Immigration (BI) must be axed for mishandling the deportation of 14 Taiwanese allegedly involved in an international fraud which has placed the country’s economic and diplomatic relationship with Taiwan in jeopardy.
Sen. Francis “Chiz” Escudero said BI officer-in-charge Ronaldo Ledesma should resign and be immediately replaced for failing in his duties and misleading authorities, including President Aquino.
“I have reasons to believe that Commissioner Ledesma did not give the full factual account surrounding the deportation proceedings of the 14 Taiwanese. Some facts provided by the BI were either embellished or neglected,” Escudero said.
The senator added he also has reasons to believe the Department of Justice might have also misinformed the President based on the wanting report submitted by the BI to the department.
Escudero, who heads the Senate committee on justice and human rights, said there was a clear absence of due process and violation of Philippine laws with the way the issue was handled.
The senator said there were valid documents to show the Taiwanese were documented, contrary to the BI’s claim they entered the country without passports and visas.
“The BI knew based on their own arrival data that the 14 suspects were Taiwanese. They were duly received and cleared by our own immigration based on the travel documents they presented when they entered the country, debunking the claim of BI,” Escudero said.
When the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) endorsed the suspects to the BI after their arrests on Dec. 27, the purpose was only to verify their immigration status and criminal records, if any, and not for deportation proceeding.
The NBI said it was surprised when a deportation order and proceeding were effected by the BI without duly notifying it as the arresting authority.
Under the Philippine Immigration Act’s deportation rules and procedures, no deportation can be effected without securing clearances from the court, prosecutor’s office, the NBI and the Philippine National Police.
Escudero said there were clear indications the BI bulldozed its way into issuing and executing a summary deportation order (SDO).
Aside from the lack and absence of a hearing prior to the issuance of the SDO in compliance with due process, Escudero said the suspects’ counsel was not notified of the order.
The senator said if the 14 were, indeed, undesirable aliens, they should have been accorded the right to due process surrounding their deportation proceedings.
“The loopholes are just too many for the BI to justify their mess. Under Section 28 of the Philippine Immigration Act, an alien ordered deported shall be removed a) to the country where he came from, b) to the foreign port at which he embarked for the Philippines c) to the country of his nativity, and d) to the country in which he resided prior to coming to the Philippines,” Escudero said.
Escudero is deeply concerned the sweeping decision of the BI has undermined the country’s judicial system when it clearly ignored the writ of habeas corpus issued by the Court of Appeals on Jan. 31, 2011.
On the early morning of Feb. 2, the 14 Taiwanese were deported to mainland China even when Taiwanese officials and their lawyers showed the writ to the immigration officials at NAIA.
This move is in total violation of our laws. If we are the first ones to grossly ignore our own constitutional provisions, how then can we expect foreigners to abide by our laws once they are here in the country? We don’t want the same thing to happen to our own nationals,” Escudero said.
In the BI’s position paper on the matter, it argued that they proceeded with the deportation procedure despite the writ since the order’s objective was only to determine whether the detention of the suspects was valid or lawful. In the absence of a temporary restraining order from the court, they claimed the proceedings had to continue and logically follow the process under the law and jurisprudence.
The DoJ has already scheduled a preliminary investigation of the case for the third week of February.
“It is not for the BI to state whether the detention was legal or illegal, it is solely the court’s decision and should have been raised precisely before the courts,” the senator pointed out.
The DoJ last week issued a resolution finding no probable cause to indict the 10 Chinese and 14 Taiwanese.
Based on these legal blunders, Escudero said Ledesma could no longer hold the fort of the bureau as he already lost his ascendancy in judiciously deciding on the matter.
“We cannot afford a single entity to jeopardize our own judicial rules and processes, not to mention the risk he posed to hundreds of thousands of overseas Filipino workers earning their living in Taiwan,” Escudero said. “We want to prove that constitutional guarantees and judicial processes are duly implemented in our country and, at the same time, hope that we can mend our economic ties with Taiwan,” Escudero said. PNA

di na nako i-elaborate basin unsa na pud isulti ning uban

[nightzlayer]

mau na lagi kay mga hukos pokus man gud, dli lng gyud e follow ang law... Lahi pud atong nasud kay dli product ang gi export, mga workers so karon mka lulo-oy ang mga ofw's tungod sa ilang ka danghag..
Roxas pud wla nka convince during his taiwan visit nya hambog2x pa before ni gikan?
hayyy,,, pagka toy-toy gyud tawn aning atong mga political leaders s pinas!...