View Poll Results: Do we need this Bill?

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  1. #2801

    Default Re: What is the Role of the Church in the Reproductive Health Bill?

    @Romeojin -> bai palihug basa balik sa RH Bill..... wala gi apil ang abortion pills,and abortion still illegal in RH Bill, condom is not abortion pills(hahahahahaha)... NFP is not 100% effective, it is only effective to the educated couples, how about teaching these to the urban areas, when they don't properly understand what temp. is.. LOLZzzz

  2. #2802

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    It is the mother's right to choose whether or not to continue a pregnancy. Everybody else (particularly the Church and anti-abortion activists / militants) should just mind their own business.

    There is a huge population crisis which is accelerating this nation into oblivion and propagandists would better serve the community by opening their eyes to the impending calamity which awaits as squatters and starving street people outnumber you or I by 1000:1. That is the black truth and the consequence of denial and inaction. The clock is ticking!

  3. #2803

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    Quote Originally Posted by GemWArrioR View Post
    @Romeojin -> bai palihug basa balik sa RH Bill..... wala gi apil ang abortion pills,and abortion still illegal in RH Bill, condom is not abortion pills(hahahahahaha)... NFP is not 100% effective, it is only effective to the educated couples, how about teaching these to the urban areas, when they don't properly understand what temp. is.. LOLZzzz
    kahit the word "condom" wala sa RH bill IUD and some oral contraceptives are promoting abortion, please back read sa ako posts.

    how come you say something to be effective if someone doesnt know how to use it. NFP is actually 98% effective. maybe a book called NFP for Dummies would help.

  4. #2804

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    its better to have an obsolete mind than an idiotic one

    imagine pud pila ka millions of innocent unborn babies will suffer but people would rather say mawad.an ug income ang Church, as if multi-million pesos of donation is not enough.

    are you sure you've read the RH bill?

    if you strongly believe that by using contraceptives preventing conception is abortion, is idiotic

    the church encourage natural family planning methods, doesn't it prevent conception from happening?

    sis, that's your opinion.. i have mine... the people have a choice and the church and people like you are preventing them from having their choice. it is happening you know, women (mostly of the poor sector) ask nurses to give them depo-provera, cz dili na cla ganahan manganak, why? because lima na ilang anak, wala na cla ikabuhi, they're are past 30 and very high risk of pre-eclampsia and eclampsia (which would be life threatening for the mother and baby if it happens during pregnancy), unya taga bukid sis tugnaw. kabalo man cguro ka that *** is a physiological need, nya mangita ilang bana ana. the RH bill can provide these women what they need, the RH bill can help these women with their choice, why deprive them of that?!

    dili man gud cguro ka mka grasp ani cz i bet nagdako ka nga comfortable imung life, well-educated and money to burn. but these people don't, some even have the highest educational attainment of grade 4.

    why don't we all just zip it (including the church) and leave it to the congress to debate on these matters.

  5. #2805

    Default Re: What is the Role of the Church in the Reproductive Health Bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    kahit the word "condom" wala sa RH bill IUD and some oral contraceptives are promoting abortion, please back read sa ako posts.

    how come you say something to be effective if someone doesnt know how to use it. NFP is actually 98% effective. maybe a book called NFP for Dummies would help.
    for the limited mind, i hope this could help you understand..


    THERE IS A CONTINUING campaign to discredit the reproductive health bill through misinformation. Straightforward answers to the negative propaganda will help educate and enlighten people on the measure.

    The bill is not antilife. It is proquality life. It will ensure that children will be blessings for their parents since their births are planned and wanted. It will empower couples with the information and opportunity to plan and space their children. This will not only strengthen the family as a unit but also optimize care for children who will have more opportunities to be educated, healthy and productive.

    The bill does not interfere with family life. In fact, it enhances family life. The family is more than a natural nucleus; it is a social institution whose protection and development are impressed with public interest. It is not untouchable by legislation. For this reason, the State has enacted the Civil Code on family relations, the Family Code, and the Child and Youth Welfare Code.

    The bill does not legalize abortion. It expressly provides that “abortion remains a crime” and “prevention of abortion” is essential to fully implement the Reproductive Health Care Program. While “management of post-abortion complications” is provided, this is not to condone abortion but to promote the humane treatment of women in life-threatening situations.

    It will not lead to the legalization of abortion. It is not true that all countries where contraceptive use is promoted eventually legalize abortion. Many Catholic countries criminalize abortion even as they vigorously promote contraceptive use like Mexico, Panama, Guatemala, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Paraguay and Ireland. The Muslim and Buddhist countries of Indonesia and Laos also promote contraceptive use yet proscribe abortion. According to studies, correct and regular use of contraceptives reduces abortion rates by as much as 85 percent and negates the need to legalize abortion.

    Contraceptives do not have life-threatening side effects. Medical and scientific evidence shows that all the possible medical risks connected with contraceptives are infinitely lower than the risks of an actual pregnancy and everyday activities. The risk of dying within a year of riding a car is 1 in 5,900. The risk of dying within a year of using pills is 1 in 200,000. The risk of dying from a vasectomy is 1 in 1 million and the risk of dying from using an IUD is 1 in 10 million. The probability of dying from condom use is absolutely zero. But the risk of dying from a pregnancy is 1 in 10,000.

    The bill will not promote contraceptive mentality. The bill does not prohibit pregnancy. Critics are mistaken in claiming that because contraceptives would be readily available, people would prefer to have no children at all. Couples will not stop wanting children simply because contraceptives are available. Contraceptives are used to prevent unwanted pregnancies but not to stop pregnancies altogether. Timed pregnancies are assured.

    The bill does not impose a two-child policy. It does not promote a compulsory policy strictly limiting a family to two children and no punitive action shall be imposed on parents with more than two children. This number is not an imposition or is it arbitrary because results of the 2003 National Demographic and Health Survey show that the ideal of two children approximates the desired fertility of women.

    Sexuality education will neither spawn “a generation of *** maniacs” nor breed a culture of promiscuity. Age-appropriate RH education promotes correct sexual values. It will not only instill consciousness of freedom of choice but also responsible exercise of one’s rights. The UN and countries which have youth sexuality education document its beneficial results: understanding of proper sexual values is promoted; early initiation into sexual relations is delayed; abstinence before marriage is encouraged; multiple-*** partners is avoided; and spread of sexually transmitted diseases is prevented.

    It does not claim that family planning is the panacea for poverty. It simply recognizes the verifiable link between a huge population and poverty. Unbridled population growth stunts socioeconomic development and aggravates poverty. The connection between population and development is well-documented and empirically established. from allan bandoy (Filipino Nurses page)

  6. #2806

    Default Re: What is the Role of the Church in the Reproductive Health Bill?

    kadugay na anang bill, i think its best to read the whole thread kay balik2x na kanang mga pangutana lol.
    dugay nako cge subay aning thread. gihimo ra ni free hits sa mga anti-Church, so im making a hit on them aswell lol.

    There are contraceptive that are promoting abortion. Abortion is murder we cant allow people commit murder thats the bottomline. even if you watch the congressional debate this is an issue they are debating. the bill doesnt filter which BC method to use and some of these contraceptives are life threatening.

  7. #2807

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    @bottlefly: yeah i read that blog site lol

    1. the government(DoH) / NGO is engage in giving away contraceptives.
    2. *** education is promoted by DepEd

    seriously, the government can work without this RH bill.

  8. #2808

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    Equating contraception to abortion is simply idiotic, plain and simple. Yes, there was a report that a certain contraceptive caused ill effects, which lead to abortion but that has been banned already. But just because one contraceptive caused cancer doesn't mean every contraceptive pill does as well. That's like saying one priest is a pedophile, therefore all priests are pedophiles. It does not follow.

    No, the RH Bill does not support abortion. The RH bill supports the improvement of the quality of life. It may not be for you. Maybe you're comfortable with the quality your life, but what about the poor? You talk about giving them food on their tables. Yes, these are all good things but these are short-term, "panakip-butas" lang. We have to educate our poor that churning out children (they think that the more children they have, the more people there are to help them) is wrong, especially if you can't afford to feed them. Heck, you can have 9 kids if you want, as long as you have the financial capability to give these kids a quality life.

  9. #2809

    Default Re: What is the Role of the Church in the Reproductive Health Bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by endlessknight View Post
    Equating contraception to abortion is simply idiotic, plain and simple. Yes, there was a report that a certain contraceptive caused ill effects, which lead to abortion but that has been banned already. But just because one contraceptive caused cancer doesn't mean every contraceptive pill does as well. That's like saying one priest is a pedophile, therefore all priests are pedophiles. It does not follow.

    No, the RH Bill does not support abortion. The RH bill supports the improvement of the quality of life. It may not be for you. Maybe you're comfortable with the quality your life, but what about the poor? You talk about giving them food on their tables. Yes, these are all good things but these are short-term, "panakip-butas" lang. We have to educate our poor that churning out children (they think that the more children they have, the more people there are to help them) is wrong, especially if you can't afford to feed them. Heck, you can have 9 kids if you want, as long as you have the financial capability to give these kids a quality life.
    Debunk the claims of physicians in the US and around the world that the Pill, IUDs, Depo-Provera and Norplant cause early abortions. Its there words against yours and we will see who is the idiot visit the link.. im looking forward your answer tomorrow.

    Birth Control Pill Causes Abortions -- Pro-Life America, Celebs expose abortion! Celebrities, Speakers, TV, Radio, Videos and Literature to help save moms and babies from the pain and suffering of abortion. Save *** for marriage and choose life, not

    i already posted this link on the page before this, please learn to read first, kay balik2x na ang pangutana.

  10. #2810

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    @bottlefly: yeah i read that blog site lol

    1. the government(DoH) / NGO is engage in giving away contraceptives.
    2. *** education is promoted by DepEd

    seriously, the government can work without this RH bill.
    yes and some LGU's have done something about this.. dili lang tanan. but the RH bill will provide these benefits for all..

    Democratic country man kaha ta? so way but-anay right? we have the freedom to choose right? the RH bill supports women's right to choose, mao na usa sa tumong sa RH bill. and sa Democracy, para man kaha sa tanan diba?

    i respect your opinions sis pero please try to open your mind... it's not right to call people idiots or stupid... religious man kaha you should know what's proper manners and respect. Jesus preached love, not hate.

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