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  1. #2781

    Default Re: What is the Role of the Church in the Reproductive Health Bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by endlessknight View Post
    Oh the Catholic church can oppose it, it's within their right as Filipino citizens. However, if you're not part of the solution, then most likely you're part of the problem. Tell me, what does the Catholic church advertise as an alternative to the RH Bill? Abstinence? Honestly, does abstinence really work? If it did, then there wouldn't be so many of us in this small patch of land.
    Quote Originally Posted by endlessknight View Post
    Yes, the Church can oppose, but what's the point? The government can promote the RH Bill while the Church can still promote the natural method. It's not like the government is completely phasing out the natural way to plan a family, they're just adding alternatives. The Church can continue preaching, nothing will be prohibited in their homilies and sermons.
    why are you saying abstinence when you knew the Church is promoting the natural method ?

  2. #2782

    Default Re: What is the Role of the Church in the Reproductive Health Bill?

    ^ Abstinence is part of Church's natural method plan. The whole "save yourself for marriage" or "don't have *** when your partner is ovulating" stuff they promote.

  3. #2783

    Default Re: What is the Role of the Church in the Reproductive Health Bill?

    so technically speaking people defy abstinence first then natural method and people sill blaming the Church for overpopulation? lol why not people blame themselves lol. Its like siya pa nagkasala siya pa mag-isog2x. theres no satisfying men then.

    but yet we have freewill to buy artificial contraceptives which is readily available even sa mga sari2x store and yet the Church is taking the heat cause they stick to their teachings. why not people just use those and ask for forgiveness and give the Church some respect. If you like the government, the corrupt politicians as your moral leaders then be it. surely theres are still people seeing the Church as the moral leader and want it to stay that way. I dont like these anti Church view, if you have a problem with one priest then dont drag the whole institution. Statically there more sexual abuse from educational institutions than an a religious one, and yet na drag ba ang educational institutions sa controversy?

    The RH bill is just a gate to free contraceptives and family planning services at the expense of tax payers money, it will cost us billions. I though daghan ta prioritize sunod ang sexual urges man gastuhan lol. why not these people just buy condoms with their own money, ask for forgiveness and spare the Church.

  4. #2784

    Default Re: What is the Role of the Church in the Reproductive Health Bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Romeojin View Post
    so technically speaking people defy abstinence first then natural method and people sill blaming the Church for overpopulation? lol why not people blame themselves lol. Its like siya pa nagkasala siya pa mag-isog2x. theres no satisfying men then.

    but yet we have freewill to buy artificial contraceptives which is readily available even sa mga sari2x store and yet the Church is taking the heat cause they stick to their teachings. why not people just use those and ask for forgiveness and give the Church some respect. If you like the government, the corrupt politicians as your moral leaders then be it. surely theres are still people seeing the Church as the moral leader and want it to stay that way. I dont like these anti Church view, if you have a problem with one priest then dont drag the whole institution. Statically there more sexual abuse from educational institutions than an a religious one, and yet na drag ba ang educational institutions sa controversy?

    The RH bill is just a gate to free contraceptives and family planning services at the expense of tax payers money, it will cost us billions. I though daghan ta prioritize sunod ang sexual urges man gastuhan lol. why not these people just buy condoms with their own money, ask for forgiveness and spare the Church.
    There is no problem with the Church promoting their teachings.. but they should NOT interfere with politics. And yes, it would cost us BILLIONS, but it would save us TRILLIONS in the future.

    We are 12th most populated country in the world and our economy is suffering because of it. Our economy can't handle 94 million people and it will continue to grow unless we take some action.

  5. #2785

    Default Re: What is the Role of the Church in the Reproductive Health Bill?

    Think long term, dude. How many millions of Filipinos are there now? You think it's overcrowded, think again in 50 years. It's already proven that a large population can have harmful effects on a country's economy.

    Yes, we can buy contraceptives freely. How about those who can't afford to buy them and yet is thinking about avoiding a 4th, 5th, 6th pregnancy? You underestimate poverty, my friend. And certainly, you underestimate lust.

    I don't have a problem with a single priest, I have a problem with the CBCP. It's the church leadership in this country who can't wake up and smell the 21st century. I have a problem with the church's views which clearly are not in tune with the times.

    If a family prefers to plan the natural way, it's cool. There's no harm in that. The RH Bill won't stop you from doing your thing, it will merely add options and educate other people, especially the poor.

  6. #2786

    Default Re: What is the Role of the Church in the Reproductive Health Bill?

    mga pari ky obsolete kaAyog huna2x...

  7. #2787

    Default Re: What is the Role of the Church in the Reproductive Health Bill?

    morality........
    matod pa nila ang COndom ibaligya ra sa mga babaye ug lalake dili sa bayot
    ka'y ang condom gi-design para isulod sa ten-ten para sa lalat ug dili mamabdos
    ug wala ge-design ang condom para sa Lobot

  8. #2788

    Default Re: What is the Role of the Church in the Reproductive Health Bill?

    Its there fault, if they stop making babies.. they wouldn't be living in poverty. we should give them rice and now we rather give them condoms . Rather than artificial contraceptives which have life threatening complications, paired with abortion and undermine third world social structures. There's the church alternative NFP, safe, cheap and effective. People should stop the misconception.. that the Church view is synonymous with ineffective BC and the their teachings against abortion and contraception are the major hurdle in eradicating poverty.

    Take a look at the USA, they have decades of sexual revolutions, contraceptives and legalize abortion, but yet the rate of teenage pregnancies and abortion had skyrocketed. Even the director of the UN Population Fund said, even BC is around it wont guarantee population control cause of economic conditions. Poor people here like to have plenty of kids cause they want to ensure enough will survive and will help for survival... shotgun approach to life the more the merrier. there's no guarantee the poor will plan their family. And yet we are risking morality, RH bill could lead to abortion, yes some BC are Abortifacient, they dont stop conception but rather it is abortion.

    The government budget is already strain plus corruption and poor agriculture performance we are in deep trouble. RH bill is just a band aid solution cloak with kickback from the BC budget and contraceptive imperialism (its a matter on national security for the US)

    What are the motives of population control?
    The American bases have been dismantled but imperialism is very much around and it comes in the form of contraceptive imperialism which most Filipinos barely notice. This is explicit in the National Security Study Memorandum 200 - a US intelligence declassified document which reveals US and UN motives in limiting the population of the Philippines and many other countries in Latin America, Southeast Asia, in the Pacific and Caribbean. The document dealt specifically on the relationship between increasing less developed country populations and future US access to resources and favorable trade policies ... and the possibility of accelerated ... anti-imperialist movements as a consequence of larger number of persons in Door nations. The control of foreign populations becomes a matter of US industrial and military security.

    Overpopulation is a concoction of contraceptive pushers and abortion pushers who have banded together in a conglomerate called International Planned Parenthood (the FPOP, the secretariat of the DOH, is an affiliate). And who are these people? Owners of multinational corporations which manufacture infant formulas, contraceptives, condoms, IUD, sterilization and abortion gadgets like suction machines. They are the same people who control international money lending institutions like the World Bank, IMF, USAID, the Frankfurt-based Development Loan Corporation and the Japan-based Asian Development Bank.
    Pro-Life Philippines - Debunking the Myths of over Population


    But for the benifit of people here, lets discuss the hidden costs of RH bill cause most people here, doesnt even know that we need billions to implement it . if we say there are 20M couples out there and we spend $100 (estimate on 3rd world) per couple per year.. we need about 86Bpesos annually lol i rather see this investment on income generating assets or food security program. we had government dole outs running in billions, NFA rice- buying at premium and selling it low for the poor, public schools another reason why poor families had an average of 5 kids cause its to cheap to give them education whereas the middle/upper class had an average of 2 kids cause of expensive tuition, we giving a lot of money to the poor already. Its about time for poor families to look after themselves and their children numbers. give the tax payers a break.

    On my final note. how ironic is it when there are several countries who are not mainly catholic and yet they had population problem. And how about those catholic countries which had no population problem. All i see this population problem is due to lack of discipline.

    PS. dont mind my grammar lol. i post this rushly lol

  9. #2789

    Default Re: What is the Role of the Church in the Reproductive Health Bill?

    ang role sa simbahan kay mo educate sa mga tawo kung unsay sakto ug unsay dili. Dili jud unta sila dapat manghilabot sa decision sa government... period...

  10. #2790

    Default Re: What is the Role of the Church in the Reproductive Health Bill?

    I was passing by Fuente the other week.. there was this Anti-RHB rally led by MSGR. Binghay... what was sickening was they were showing pictures of aborted babies and made the association that if you supported the RHB then you supported abortion as well...

    This is a clear attempt at the church to misinform and misguide those who do not have faculties to understand and comprehend what is written in the bill. I always say to those who are skeptical about the bill to READ it first before making a decision. The church is engaging in misinformation and I am furthermore frustrated by these people in the church who are supposed to champion moral guidance and truth engage in such deplorable acts of deception.

    Shame on You MSGR Binghay... you are giving the Roman Catholic faith a bad name by sticking to your archaic beliefs and misleading the rest of the devout Catholics.

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