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  1. #721

    the greatest enemy a man could face is himself. how could a person be brave when committing suicide? gen reyes shotting himself believes to be the easiest way out to face the biggest problem. he is just scared to face the consequences... wheres the honor of that one? he indeed a very coward person! i heard it in the news that he is like a wolf in a sheep's skin...WHAT? i think its the other way around, he is indeed a SHEEP IN A WOLF's SKIN!!!! pretending he is so damn brave! bravery is not measured on how many battles you have won or how many people you have killed but rather not giving up the hardships internally you have faced.

  2. #722
    One thing is sure here, Angelo Reyes did not die with honor, he allowed himself to be consumed by the system. Trillanes is correct, he does not have a dignity to protect and that i think made him kill himself. The lack of dignity and self worth. I just hope, he burns in hell!!!


    These are Angelo Reye's last words before he died.

    "I did not invent corruption. I walked into it. Perhaps my first fault was in having accepted aspects of it as a fact of life."

    -----
    Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism's (PCIJ's) Malou Mangahas

  3. #723
    Quote Originally Posted by mackiechoy View Post
    easy for you to say because you seem to live in a world of just black and white, most of us if not all dont know how it is to be in his shoes, you dont know what he did for the country, you only know what you heard on the news and the allegations, like trolla said Reyes is a powerful man let alone intelligent enough who could have easily let this controversy ride itself to a slow death and still never spend a night in jail, but because he has honor and dignity that he himself would rather die for his (and other people's) mistake, than play along the usual route but live consciously with all that guilt.

    maybe he chose that way to not further defame the AFP, maybe he knows that the people cant handle the truth and that he chose to die with it, we wont really know for sure, but what i know is he's not as thick as the senators grilling him who can still live lavishly without feeling guilty even if their family have been found guilty.
    I don't get the part of "but beacause he has honor and dignity that he himself would rather die for his mistake", where is the honor and dignity to that? Isn't it more honorable to admit the mistake and face the punishment straight up? this made me compare him to Rizal, where he knows what he is fighting for and face the execution in front of his face rather than taking his life or taking the gunshots on the back, now that we can compare which one is honorable or not.

    Not to defame AFP? so rather have the rotten system continue as long as the AFP looks clean and shiny in the outside but full of rotten generals inside? so he would rather have the troops (who he defended daw) have a meaner salary because wa kuno additional budget ang afp but all along surplus man diay ang budget but the generals and their wives use it for shopping money.... sorry but I just don't see the honor in it bisag unsa pa pag bali bali

  4. #724
    Quote Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    I don't get the part of "but beacause he has honor and dignity that he himself would rather die for his mistake", where is the honor and dignity to that? Isn't it more honorable to admit the mistake and face the punishment straight up? this made me compare him to Rizal, where he knows what he is fighting for and face the execution in front of his face rather than taking his life or taking the gunshots on the back, now that we can compare which one is honorable or not.

    Not to defame AFP? so rather have the rotten system continue as long as the AFP looks clean and shiny in the outside but full of rotten generals inside? so he would rather have the troops (who he defended daw) have a meaner salary because wa kuno additional budget ang afp but all along surplus man diay ang budget but the generals and their wives use it for shopping money.... sorry but I just don't see the honor in it bisag unsa pa pag bali bali
    from the people posting here, honor is like beauty, its in the eye of the beholder, for me nalang no, kay hinay man jud ang ligid sa justice system dire sa pinas (swertes rizal kay dali rman kaau to xa na tried, execute dayun) well at least na-ay isa ni angkon na sad-an ciya and was willing to accept capital punishment for his mistakes, maybe d na ganahan mulangay pa, manamay pa, ug musuffer pa iya pamilya, executed himself nlang, kaysa (para lang nko ha) pa mag hinipocrito, magpabaga, mao pay mu indict ug lain taw, when they themselves mismo are doing the same crime, ana nlang aron mana. he paid for his dear life, thats just how i look at it.

  5. #725
    Quote Originally Posted by networkguy View Post
    ok bai

    pero kani man gud issue kang reyes, hearsey pa man ni kay wala pa man na proved sa court... he was a victim of media and some people that doesn't like him... like ni rabusa, dili kuno siya magpa preso like ni Gen. garcia kay nisulti man kuno siya sa iyang nahibaw-an... when he was asked during a forum if he's willing to go the jail with garcia... sakto diay ning ingon ani? unya iyang kahuha nga kwarta dili diay i-uli?
    agree ko about the Rabusa part, murag na lain iyang dagway pag pangutana niya maybe he can bargain with the govt for being a state witness but definitely he should return what he had taken the least.

  6. #726
    AFP bids farewell to Reyes with 21-gun salute | The Philippine Star >> News >> Headlines

    AFP bids farewell to Reyes with 21-gun salute
    By Alexis Romero (The Philippine Star) Updated February 14, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (4)


    Robles: GMA called Reyes

    But not everyone joined the lights moments in the necrological service.

    Retired Navy commodore Rex Robles lambasted the Senate hearing that invited Reyes as a resource person then called on the AFP to close ranks and resist any attempt to weaken the organization.

    A senior of Reyes at the PMA, Robles said that the mounting controversies hounding the AFP pushed the former defense and military chief to take his own life.

    He said there appears to be a deliberate effort from some vested groups to weaken the organization.

    “The AFP has the only coercive power in this government. You must resist any attempt to weaken the organization. I am not saying that you do something (illegal),” Robles told the assembled military officers.

    Recalling his last meeting and telephone conversations with Reyes, Robles said he sensed that the former defense chief felt alone and abandoned following his bout with the senators who grilled him on the “pabaon” system in the AFP as alleged by his former budget officer ex-Lt. Col. George Rabusa.

    He said Reyes told him on Monday last week, that Arroyo called up and asked why he was banging heads with Parañaque Rep. Roilo Golez.

    The following day, Reyes shot himself while visiting his parents’ grave at the Loyola Memorial Park in Marikina City. He died from a lone gunshot wound to the chest.

    Robles said Reyes was a victim of a non-working judicial system in the country that does not protect the law.

    “Angie was a victim of democracy and justice wrongly applied,” he said.

    Robles also marveled why the supposed Senate inquiry on the plea bargain deal struck with the Office of the Ombudsman by former AFP comptroller and dismissed Maj. Gen. Carlos Garcia, shifted to the corruption hearing with Reyes, a resource person, becoming the main target.

    “Imagine from the plea bargain to corruption hearing,” Robles said, adding there appeared a pattern to make use of the Senate inquiry to cover for Garcia and publicly humiliate Reyes instead.

    He said he is almost sure that Garcia, after the plea bargain, will go scot-free with millions amassed from the AFP coffers.

    De Leon, on the other hand, said accusations that Reyes pocketed millions of funds intended for the soldiers as alleged by Rabusa were untrue.

    Unknown to many, De Leon said, Reyes personally recommended to then President Estrada to give a monthly rice allowance to soldiers deployed in combat zones in Mindanao, salary increases of soldiers, insurance benefits and raising of the monthly stipend of Medal of Valor awardees from P2,000 to P20,000.

    “Yet, sadly, despite all these, he was subjected to trial by publicity,” he said.

    All eyes on Trillanes

    Meanwhile, PMAers are reportedly disgusted at the way Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV treated an upperclassman during the Senate investigation.

    Over the weekend, text messages criticizing Trillanes’ alleged “uncavalier” act were circulated among some PMA graduates.

    “Let us not forget the uncavalier act of Antonio Trillanes that humiliated and shamed Cav. Angie Reyes in public,” the text message read. “When the proper time comes, let every cavalier judge Antonio Trillanes and put him where he rightfully belongs. The time of reckoning is about to come,” it added.

    Another message allegedly sent by PMAers to fellow cavaliers reads: “Trillanes talks about honor and reputation! He cannot even explain to other Magdalo how much money was used to purchase the armaments and equipment they used in Oakwood. Who was his financier and how come the Navy he recruited were paid higher than the Army? He cannot even mention in public that his mom is the supplier in the AFP and he thinks he is honorable?”

    Trillanes was unavailable for comment but in previous interviews, he showed no remorse over his confrontation with Reyes.

    He said he was treated worst at the Senate during the hearings on the Oakwood mutiny. Trillanes said it was unfortunate that this was the fate that befell the former AFP chief, but later backtracked on his earlier statement that Reyes was the “powerful person” behind Garcia.

    In another interview, Ramon “Mon-Mon” Mitra, a bemedalled former Marine captain and son of the late Speaker Ramon Mitra Jr., expressed belief that Reyes could have been treated fairly by a fellow PMA graduate during the Senate hearing.

    “As a PMAer, I believed Gen. Angelo Tomas Reyes should have been treated better. Even Cavaliers (Panfilo) Lacson and (Gregorio) Honasan have acted in the proper decorum expected of upperclassmen to a senior,” said Mitra, a classmate of De Leon at the PMA Class of 1988.

    De Leon said it is now up to the public to judge Trillanes’ demeanor in the Jan. 27 hearing.

    The senator prevented Reyes from defending himself during that Senate hearing because according to him, the late AFP chief “had no reputation to protect.”

    The conjecture apparently hurt Reyes so much that he said in a press conference the next day that he did not expect to receive such shabby treatment from a lower classman at the PMA. - With Christina Mendez, Cecille Suerte Felipe, Jaime Laude, Aie Balagtas See, AP

  7. #727
    Quote Originally Posted by mackiechoy View Post
    from the people posting here, honor is like beauty, its in the eye of the beholder, for me nalang no, kay hinay man jud ang ligid sa justice system dire sa pinas (swertes rizal kay dali rman kaau to xa na tried, execute dayun) well at least na-ay isa ni angkon na sad-an ciya and was willing to accept capital punishment for his mistakes, maybe d na ganahan mulangay pa, manamay pa, ug musuffer pa iya pamilya, executed himself nlang, kaysa (para lang nko ha) pa mag hinipocrito, magpabaga, mao pay mu indict ug lain taw, when they themselves mismo are doing the same crime, ana nlang aron mana. he paid for his dear life, thats just how i look at it.


    but bro, what will the Filipino gain from his death? naa ba? or is it more honorable to expose what he knew and maybe save the AFP from future corruption by spilling the beans? sige lets say lets say he did that because he's thinking na para di na madamay iyang family, he did that as a favor to himself, he is still doing this to protect his interest by saving his family; he's a savior and honorable only to his family but how about to the filipino people? by doing this, he chose to save his own family instead of the filipino people which he said he had served and protect. There's no honor to that. It's a father's instinct to sacrifice for his family. On the contrary, it is honorable to put your country 1st before your family. That's the big difference between him and Heidi Mendoza (assuming wa xa na gamit); she left COA because she can't take the system (unlike Reyes who accepted it as "regular"). Heidi is sacrificing her personal life, private career and family just to spill the beans (Angelo would rather end his life rather than go through all these sacrifices). Mao di nako makuha ngno ihonor man na si Reyes. For me ra, kay sympathetic man gud kay ta mga pinoy, porque naa ra na matay, iglorified dayun, overlooking what was really the issue behind the death, siguro mao nang epekto sa sige pasalida ug soaps sa gabie. So in the end, the root cause of this, ang sad.an jud, kay ang GMA7 ug ABSCBN2

  8. #728
    correct me if im wrong ha, so ang sabot nako sa imong gi sulti bro, you treated his death with honor kay he did punish himself by taking his life, accepted his mistake and save his family rather than mu pina Garcia or Lacson na di jud mu admit mistake and continue to live a good life. Sakto ba? okay, i completely got your point. But as what you said, its not black and white, na naa ra xay 2 choices, the latter is the worst!, the former is worse, again not honorable because he's just saving himself and his family from shame di naman xa nag sacrifice for the country, but the honorable thing could had done is to admit mistake and help in the process of cleaning the AFP as I elaborated before. That for me will make him a soldier worthy of the honors people is giving him today.

  9. #729
    Quote Originally Posted by godwhacker View Post
    Let's see how those statements would fare well with Esposo's

    "Trillanes is an elected legislator — another major mistake of the Filipino voters — but he does not even respect the presumption of a person’s innocence sans any presentation of evidence, due process and conviction. What gave Trillanes the right to say to Reyes in front of a nation following the Senate hearing live on television that he does not have the right to defend himself and has no reputation to protect? He only had his own personal opinion of Reyes and the say so of Rabusa. No documentary evidence, no due process, no cross examination of a hostile witness and yet Trillanes acted like judge, jury and executioner by declaring that Angie Reyes had no reputation to protect."

    Of course this is very true.

    And let's see what Rabusa has in stock?

    "Even Lt. Col. Rabusa acknowledged in an interview with ANC’s Karen Davila that Trillanes went overboard and that the Senator’s unexpected boorish treatment of a Mistah (fellow graduate of the Philippine Military Academy or PMA) must have heavily impacted on the late AFP Chief. A Mistah is not supposed to do that to another Mistah, especially one as senior to Trillanes as Reyes was."

    Kita gitudloan man sa atong mga ginikanan ug pamatasan, pagrespito sa ubang tawo kaniadtong gagmay pa ta. So how can I disagree with the last statement of Rabusa,much more with the military training and honor system they have in the academy.
    Ang ako-a lang maingon.... kung gi insulto ka and gi accuse of something and you know nga wala gyud kay fault.. what would be your reaction.... mag lagot and manimaws? or maghikog?

    matud pa ni Miriam.... "He who is innocent is as brave as a lion"
    Last edited by vipvip68; 02-14-2011 at 12:53 AM.

  10. #730
    Quote Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    but bro, what will the Filipino gain from his death? naa ba? or is it more honorable to expose what he knew and maybe save the AFP from future corruption by spilling the beans? sige lets say lets say he did that because he's thinking na para di na madamay iyang family, he did that as a favor to himself, he is still doing this to protect his interest by saving his family; he's a savior and honorable only to his family but how about to the filipino people? by doing this, he chose to save his own family instead of the filipino people which he said he had served and protect. There's no honor to that. It's a father's instinct to sacrifice for his family. On the contrary, it is honorable to put your country 1st before your family. That's the big difference between him and Heidi Mendoza (assuming wa xa na gamit); she left COA because she can't take the system (unlike Reyes who accepted it as "regular"). Heidi is sacrificing her personal life, private career and family just to spill the beans (Angelo would rather end his life rather than go through all these sacrifices). Mao di nako makuha ngno ihonor man na si Reyes. For me ra, kay sympathetic man gud kay ta mga pinoy, porque naa ra na matay, iglorified dayun, overlooking what was really the issue behind the death, siguro mao nang epekto sa sige pasalida ug soaps sa gabie. So in the end, the root cause of this, ang sad.an jud, kay ang GMA7 ug ABSCBN2
    sakto, maong ni daog c noy2x tungod anang mga telenovela, but thats another topic...

    para nko man gud, ang cancer sa atong nasud lawom na kaayu na most if not all of these people in high places wala nay concern para sa Filipino people, so any actions they do, the filipino people is secondary nlang or even have nothing to gain najud, thats how hopeless i am, if it seems theyre doing something good, im pretty sure theres something behind that is for their own interest, para nko, tanan as in tanan nila sad-an jud, you cant blame me for thinking that, and still they have the face to show and play innocent pa, isig labayay sa ilang mga hugaw, mao ning ang nahitabo ron, para nko i look at reyes as something different, he knows obviously na mao jud nay i think sa mga taw if he does it and he did it, and he did not care, para nko nibayad ciya kung unsa man na crime with the ultimate payment unlike sa uban na, mamasangil pah, worst case mahitabo mapriso, pero ok ra mapriso, kay most probably maka bargain rman jud later on with the influences they have.

    so mao nlang na, uban mudagan, uban atubangon but most of them at some point naa juy nabuhat mao naay nagukod nila, mao lang cguro nkalahi ni reyes kay d lang cguro niya masikmura magpabaga i dont know really but he did something different that would hopefully be a catalyst to the chemotherapy of this country.

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