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[FranZeno]

Ganahan mo makabasa og interesting theory from the best theorist sa onemanga? hehe..

Bitaw, kung nagwonder mo about ana nila BB, etc..mas nagwonder ko sa Origins of Ancient Kingdom, Tenryuubito, Grand Line, & Will of D

Spoiler! 

Aliens ruled OP before WG came

Spoiler! 

NO JOKE!

Mao jud ni ang greatest conspiracy sa WG..zehahahahaha..di man kaau ko hilig og OP kay Naruto mn jd ko, pero interesting jd nuon ang world of OP, grabe! magsakit gd ako ulo mgbasa og 1 ka chapter! LOL!

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naa nay mga link sa chapter and pages dha, pero murag dli m.open, tnawa nlng ninyo ang link kng unsa na chapter og page nya open sa lain manga site, murag GG ang somemanga links ana..

[burdagol]

Okay, let's assume that Shanks hasn't mastered the haki yet during the fight against Blackbeard. But saying that this is the reason that Blackbeard was able to wound Shanks is a lame excuse IMHO. I'm sure Shanks was already strong even without mastery of the haki, just like Luffy was already strong even before the haki training. I like to think Shanks and BB were evenly matched during that fight.

Maybe.... Maybe not. So just to be clear right now we are just assuming that he hasnt really mastered haki yet bec. there's no way for us to find out what really happened. Now if he was able to use haki at that time he could have two ways of avoiding being scared like that. 1st by using Busōshoku haki (similar to tekkai but better) or what luffy called armament haki. 2nd is Kenbunshoku Haki the ability to predict an opponents move. Yes shanks maybe strong without haki but imagine luffy without his haki. Still strong right? Now imagine luffy doesnt have a df. That could be the shanks that bb fought. A talented guy with just a sword. Haki could spell the difference. I seriously doubt that shanks could even become a yonkou without his haki.

Also, regarding BB's withdrawal from Marineford upon Shank's arrival, I don't think it was cowardice on his part. He may be powerful, but he isn't that stupid to take on the WG, WB crew, Impel Down escapees, Luffy and Shank's crew all at the same time.

First luffy is out cold. Impel down escapees wont even be a factor. WB crew are all busy retreating. Admirals are pursuing luffy and wb's crew. So basically it would have just been bb's crew vs shanks crew. Before shanks arrived BB even challenged garp and sengoku to stop him. That's how confident he was. Now when shanks challenged him he said "its not the time to take the likes of you just yet". BB wasnt being a coward but he did use caution against shanks something he didnt do against garp and sengoku. Now what does that tell you?

[clinically.dead]

@burdagol:
(regarding your 1st paragraph)
Wait. Are we in agreement or are we arguing? I’m confused. When I said that “I like to think Shanks and BB were evenly matched during that fight.”, I was speculating under the assumption that BB didn’t have DF abilities and Shanks hadn’t mastered haki yet. When you wrote “Its possible that BB and shanks fought when shanks didnt even master haki yet.”, I interpreted this to mean that you think that the only reason BB was able to wound Shanks is because the latter had not mastered haki yet. Correct me if I’m wrong, or else we’d just be talking in circles.

I totes agree with you that being a haki user contributed greatly to Shank’s status as a yonkou. But I also think his physical prowess also came into play. I maintain the belief that being a haki user doesn’t necessarily mean you are in the big leagues. Case in point: Coby.

“So basically it would have just been bb's crew vs shanks crew.” Okay, I see your point. I didn’t think that one through.

“BB wasnt being a coward but he did use caution against shanks something he didnt do against garp and sengoku. Now what does that tell you?” That tells me that BB considers Sengoku and Garp as easy prey. He does, after all, consider the old age of pirates to be over. So even though Sengoku and Garp are strong in their own rights, BB finds them not that strong enough to defeat him.

On the other hand, BB recognizes that Shanks is a serious threat to him. He may have been able to scar Shanks years ago, but he knows that both of them had leveled-up. Plus, he hasn’t gained full control of his new DF ability, which I believe is the reason why he said he isn’t ready to take on Shanks yet.

I decided not to quote lines, since that would just add to the length. Long reply is long. Sorry. orz

[alucard88venom88]

unsa tong episode na gpakita ang flashback ni shanks and papa ni usopp. nag gather pa cya og crew atong higayona jud... ako lang question f nana bay scar c shanks ato
then katong flash back nila luffy and shanks sa home town ni luffy xur ko nana jud toy scar si shanks...

[semaj23]

unsa tong episode na gpakita ang flashback ni shanks and papa ni usopp. nag gather pa cya og crew atong higayona jud... ako lang question f nana bay scar c shanks ato
then katong flash back nila luffy and shanks sa home town ni luffy xur ko nana jud toy scar si shanks...

wala gi pakita ang left eye ni shanks naa man didto ang scar sa left eye, ang right eye rai gi pakita, sa episode 0 to nga episode strong world

[AntitaniC]

wala gi pakita ang left eye ni shanks naa man didto ang scar sa left eye, ang right eye rai gi pakita, sa episode 0 to nga episode strong world

yap there's a video in youtube.. search Shanks asks Yasopp to join his Crew! [Eng Sub ; 720 HD]

But I think he already had it.

[burdagol]

@burdagol:
(regarding your 1st paragraph)
I interpreted this to mean that you think that the only reason BB was able to wound Shanks is because the latter had not mastered haki yet. Correct me if I’m wrong, or else we’d just be talking in circles.

Yup! Thats the reason why I think BB was able to inflict damage on shanks even when he didnt have a df yet bec. shanks might not have mastery over haki at that time. When you see discussions with regards to how shanks got that scar most of the people are under the impression that the current version of shanks had a hard time dealing with a df less BB. Of course for now this is just speculation.

I totes agree with you that being a haki user contributed greatly to Shank’s status as a yonkou. But I also think his physical prowess also came into play.

Well physical ability alone cant get you that far. In the absence of haki shanks wouldnt even be a problem to a logia df user. Meaning an admiral or heck even smoker would have been enough to deal with him. Shanks without haki or df cant do much against the top tier characters in op world.

I maintain the belief that being a haki user doesn’t necessarily mean you are in the big leagues. Case in point: Coby.

True. But you used the wrong person as an example. Its unfair to use someone like coby bec. he doesnt even know how to use it yet. And you might be wrong again bec. coby might just become an admiral in the future. ^^

Now think about these great characters: Goldroger,rayleigh,WB,shanks,marco,boa,garp, and the admirals. What do they have in common? Haki! And im not talking bout the normal haki that boa's kuja tribe members use.

On the other hand, BB recognizes that Shanks is a serious threat to him. He may have been able to scar Shanks years ago, but he knows that both of them had leveled-up. Plus, he hasn’t gained full control of his new DF ability, which I believe is the reason why he said he isn’t ready to take on Shanks yet.

My point exactly. Even when he doesnt have mastery over his new power he was still confident in challenging both sengoku and garp but not against shanks. That speaks a lot of shanks strength.
But anyway it wont matter bec. the plot might require for shanks to eventually die at the hands of BB.

[clinically.dead]

Would you agree with me that BB was already strong even before he had DF? These are the reasons why I think so:
1. He was a member of the WB pirate crew. I'm sure WB is not that benevolent enough to have a weakling in his crew carrying his name.
2. He was able to kill another member of the WB crew, a division captain to boot.
3. He was nominated by Ace to be a division captain, which means that Ace acknowledges his strength.

And all these occurred even before he had the DF. Also (but this is just pure speculation on my part) WB mentioned that BB was not the pirate that Roger was waiting for to carry his legacy. I took this to mean that maybe at first he was being considered, but then he became too evil, for lack of a better word.

And you might be wrong again bec. coby might just become an admiral in the future. ^^

Well, that's also very possible. Oda does have the habit of recycling his characters (which for me is a good thing, so we can really see the development of the character).

But anyway it wont matter bec. the plot might require for shanks to eventually die at the hands of BB.

If you said this to me before Chapter 574, I would say "Hell no, no one dies in One Piece!" But now, I know better and I say "That might just happen." And if it does, then I'll be okay with it.

Aannnddd I'm rambling a bit. I'll stop now.

[burdagol]

Would you agree with me that BB was already strong even before he had DF? These are the reasons why I think so:
1. He was a member of the WB pirate crew. I'm sure WB is not that benevolent enough to have a weakling in his crew carrying his name.
2. He was able to kill another member of the WB crew, a division captain to boot.
3. He was nominated by Ace to be a division captain, which means that Ace acknowledges his strength.

I totally agree with you that BB is indeed strong for the same reasons that you just posted except for reason number 1. There are actually a lot of weak pirates in WB's crew. Only his division commanders are strong. The rest are your average pirates. Some of them even succumb to shank's haki release on the moby dick.
Now again there's no question that BB is strong. What I dont agree with is most of the fans might think that BB inflicted that damage without df to boot on the same shanks that we are seeing right now. When IMO it happened when both are still rookies so shanks isnt really that strong yet. So its a fair fight between rookie pirates. Its not df less BB vs yonkou, haki master shanks. Its more like rookie df less BB vs rookie haki less shanks IMO.
Luffy is strong before the timeskip but he became something else after he mastered haki. The growth is unreal. I think shanks went through the same transformation that luffy did when he mastered haki.

If you said this to me before Chapter 574, I would say "Hell no, no one dies in One Piece!" But now, I know better and I say "That might just happen." And if it does, then I'll be okay with it.

Aannnddd I'm rambling a bit. I'll stop now.

Lol....I actually enjoyed reading your posts.

[clinically.dead]

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@burdagol: Will post my reply later. It's too early in the morning for me to make coherent posts. Need coffee first.