POV: Nisaka na tanan, pasalamat ta nga ang sweldo wala nisaka!

[deks]

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adto sa inyo HR i reclamo ang salary increase

HR ka ma'am?

[RMK711]

wew.. this will be a long post..



Yes it is a possibility that workers can rise to be a CEO but it means he has to join the group. What I mean by that is that, they don't become a CEO overnight. They go to a process. First is they become the middle man. Being paid higher that the regular worker they become the manager for the CEo's. His tasks is to manage the worker to the companies benifit and if he proves his worth he might be accepted to the pack and in time might become the CEO.

Yes, not everyone can be a CEO, you actually have to work for it and be smart enough for the job. What exactly about this is wrong? Talk about crab mentality... the leftists want everyone to be the boss, but end up making everyone the slave. Look at N. Korea and China (pre-Deng Xiao Peng).

Are you saying that it is okay for a company to demand more profit and gain every year from the workers but workers should not demand for higher pay.

Don't be ignorant, a company cannot demand profit it has to work really hard for it. The customers of a company aren't just going to keep buying if its products become so expensive because its spoiled workers think they should be paid whatever amount they demand. Do you think it's okay for a worker to demand more and more wages without improving productivity? Also, the two aren't even comparable, the worker if unhappy can always work somewhere else, or if he really thinks (as most ignorant people do) that business is so easy, he can try and raise capital to start his own business. And don't tell me this isn't possible. If a penniless immigrant from China can establish SM, anything is possible.

So, basically you are saying that in the current model of our society the only way to become rich is to exploit other peoples lack of opportunity.

No, the current model of our society rewards people who are highly educated, skilled and diligent risk-takers. That's one concept that's missing from your parody. You seem to think that Juan investing P50 means he is assured of a profit. The reality is that most investments require a substantial commitment, some entrepreneurs bet their entire family savings to start their business. I know my grandfather bet his entire savings from working as a teenager to start a mall and unfortunately though it earned some money for a few years, it got burned down and he lost everything. We have had to work extremely hard to regain what we lost and build on that. That's the thing you need to understand, entrepreneurs and businessmen take enormous risk with their money to try and make a better future for themselves. Employees like yourself enjoy whining that you're being taken advantage of, but if you're so unhappy working there, why don't you go find another job?

So, are you saying that workers are dumb? You have to remember that the only advantage Juan has over Pedro is the money. With his money he was able to buy the bolo which is the tool for produciton. It was Pedro's knowledge and intellect that was utilize to make bbq stick out of bamboo. Juan own the toold for production but it was Pedro who used this tool to produce product that will become a profit. One good example of this is a programmer working as an employee of a software company. It is not the CEO who created that programs and software that was sold to the martket to earn profit. It was because of workers(programmers) working together to so that they can produce a product. What the CEO did was employ this programmers and provide them the tool but it was the knowledge and intellect of the individual programmer that utilized the tool to make it productive. In the end the CEO or the company owns the program/software created by the programmer.

No, I am not saying that. I am saying that it requires intelligence, dedication, hardwork and some luck to be a successful business entrepreneur. You also have to be a risk taker. And the reality is, most business owners are more intelligent than the average worker. If you take offense to this, then sorry but that's the reality. Most workers have a very short time-horizon, that's why they enjoy blowing all their bonus on spending sprees instead of saving up so they can maybe start an enterprise in the future. There are many people who used to be workers, who used their talent and their savings to start a business empire. A prime example of this is Lucio Tan who used to work as a chemical engineer for a tobacco company before he left and started a company of his own with his own savings.

This is scary. Are you saying that I will worhsip the CEO of the company I work because he provided me a job and because of that he is benevolent. Will he be a CEO if there is no worker. Business man and workers should work hand in hand. Businessman has the investment and the tool for production but it will be the worker with his knowledge and intellect that will use this tool to produce. If worker should thank business man, business man should thank workers also not act like benevolent gods.

It's scary only because you are jealous of the CEO. I'm not saying you should worship the businessman, but you should be grateful for having a job when so many people in this country are unemployed. The thing your asking for, unrelenting wage hikes, will lead to massive unemployment and a collapse of our country and descent into communism. But I guess that's what you're after.

The businessman thanks the worker by continuing to provide employment to the best of his ability. What more could be asked? If the worker is not satisfied with this, he should do the hard work of starting his own business. What's that? Too hard? I thought it's that easy to be a businessman!

Now, let's go back to Juan and Pedro. Through the skill of Pedro using the bolo he was able to make bbq stick and sell it to earn 100. Jaun deducted the 100 by 20 for return of investment. So, they have 80 net income for both of them. However, Juan gave only 1 to Pedro because he is so benevolent. Why cant they split the income to 40 each? Let's say for example the Cost of living in Juans and Pedros world is 3. The least that Juan can do is give Pedro 3, instead he gave him 1. Worker's are not asking the whole profit. They are asking ample wages so that they can live a better life. A healthier life for him and his family. Companies are always increasing their targeted profit and CEO's will celebrate because his company is gaining more compared to last year but his workers who worked hard that made this possible is getting the same.

The problem is there are way too many Pedros in this country. Anyone can use a bolo, but not everyone can start a business organization and direct an entire workforce to use a bolo towards a singular end.

They can't split the income because the business idea came from Juan. It's called respecting people for their ideas, and every wealthy society is based on this. This is almost as retarded as saying the person who invents something should not be allowed to benefit from his invention and should just provide it for free. If that's the case, whats the incentive to be innovative? This is why they have patent laws, to protect and reward the inventors. What you are advocating is parasitism. Juan should take all the risk with his capital, but Pedro enjoys equally just for being around. That won't work because then nobody would establish businesses. No one wants to risk everything because some loser wants his share but doesn't want to take the risk or the effort to raise the capital needed.

Let's go back to Juan and Pedro again and let's expand it a little bit. Let's say Pedro sold the BBQ stick 1 each. Now, if Pedro will ask an increase of pay to 3 from 1 does it mean that we have to raise the price of BBQ stick to 2 or 1.5 also. I think not. What will happen is that they will still earn 80 but this time Juan will only bring home 77 and this time Pedro will go home with 3.
The good thing about raising the pay of Pedro from 1 to 3 is that he now has more purchasing power. Which means that if they have neighbor Maria who is selling mango for 2, Pedro now can buy it and in return generating income for Maria. The more purchasing power the worker has the better for the economy of the society because the flow of money will be more fluid. If Pedro only has 1 then Maria wll be expecting less income because Pedro can not afford to buy the mango worth 2.

In a fantasy world where there is only one BBQ stand and no competitors, this makes sense. But we live in a real world. In the real world, there are BBQ stands everywhere and the ones that pay their workers the most are going to be eaten alive by those which are more sensible and pay the prevailing market rates.

We are poor because most of our needs are imported even rice and the purchasing power of our currency is so low. With this of course products will be expensive in terms of our currency. That's why an increase in oil will directly affect us because oil is imported like most of our needs. We failed to utilize our own resources thus failed we failed to become self sufficient as much as possible. We are supposed to be an agricultural country but we failed to exploit that and in the end we are even importing rice from Vietnam or other countries.

We are poor because we have so many unemployed, uneducated people and our minimum wages have driven up the price of commodities. Why do you think we import so much rice? Because it would cost too much to hire farmers locally to produce them because of our high minimum wages and low productivity. Why is it cheaper to buy from Thailand? Because they can produce them more efficiently...

So are we saying the less the pay the worker has the richer the country is? So are we expecting to become one of the richest country. Let's say for example that Singaporean worker still has wages below the minimum wage. May I ask what is their minimum wage? If their minimum wage is the Cost of living in their country then thier worker is still living in a better condition than ours because the minimum wage here in our country is way below the cost of living. For example in Cebu, I believe that the minimum wage is 200+ and the cost of living is 500+ and some of the workers are earning below the minimum wage which is already too far from the cost of living.

No, I am saying the more conducive a country is to business the richer it becomes. You don't need artificial minimum wage increases to increase wages, if you make the environment good for business, there will be many more businessmen, many more corporations and therefore more competition to hire the best workers. This naturally drives up the salary of workers, because businesses always want the best workers working for them. In our system, the minimum wage creates a lowest-common denominator syndrome where the lazy worker is paid the same as the skilled one, because businesses are forced to pay a minimum amount. In the end though, businesses simply don't hire the lazy workers that's why we have high unemployment.

A businessman without workers will slowly starve also. By the way, i don't think the statement "a country without a businessmen will slowly starve to death" is right in a sese that the conflict is not between businessmen and country but businessmen and workers. For each model of a society there is always an internal conflict. Like in premitive commmunal times, the conflict is between men and nature and on the feudla time the conflict is between land lords and farmers and for capitalist era is capitalist and workers but this is another topic.

Hahaha.. please you are quite deluded if you really think this is the case. The businessman will just pack their bags and go elsewhere. This is what happened in all countries that descended into communism, the businessmen simply left and the country collapsed.

the moral of the story of Juan and Pedro is that, Juan was able to exploit the lack of opportunity of Pedro because Juan owned the tool for production (bolo/sundang/gabas). If Pedro had the tool for production he would have freed himself from Juans exploitation. Sadly Pedro was paid only enough to survive that he can't buy a bolo and the bamboo for himself to start his own.

The moral of the story of Juan and Pedro is that, Juan is a talented visionary who is also a calculated risk-taker. He had an idea for a business, which he shared with Pedro. Because Pedro was unable or unwilling to make an initial investment, he shouldered all the expenses for starting up the business at great risk to himself, because P50 at that time was a lot and he could have spent that on his family. Instead he bet on his idea, an idea which would not have come naturally to Pedro because Pedro is not that smart and is also not a risk-taker. Moral lesson of the story here is, if things are as simple as your story, then everyone should start their own business and blow their entire lifesavings on the initial investment. But that's never going to happen because there are people content on being just employees, and contrary to your thinking they are surviving just fine. If you're not content, improve yourself, don't be a parasite and demand from others that they give you more than you deserve.

It is because few owns the tool for production that they are able to exploit those who don't have them which is most of us.

Because he paid for it. What don't you get about that?

I didnt look down at them. And yes you are correct some of them earn more compared to some workers. Some workers are living worse than a prostitute.

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That's because most prostitutes have better business acumen than most workers. Toink

[pepponeskie]

@TS:

the one of the best business in the Philippines today is outsourcing. Naka suway ko ani sa una pero wa jud makaya kay kuwang ug sources para sa mga trabaho.

Ganahan na sila mga foreigner nga mo patrabaho sa atong mga pilipino kay barato ra man ang labor cost. Kung ikaw ang usa ka tag-iya sa usa ka outsourcing company, makita nimo unsa kadaku ang makuha nimo with a hassle-free types of jobs. Sa akong kaila sa una freelance outsource to cya sa CAD, dawat cya ug 60k ang buwan pero ang trabaho nya pwerteng sayuna ra...

di naman na mapugngan nga magsaka tanang butang pero ang sweldo wala mosaka.

[FranZeno]

The best solution for this is to learn to adapt. Adjust your lifestyle to fit your basic needs. Cutdown on your wants. Do part-time jobs, with the advent of the internet these days, there are many parttime jobs online, currently I'm doing one online and homebased. It's not much but I can get my wants, my salary will pay for my needs and my part-time can pay for my wants and a bit of my needs. Never think na kulang imo sweldo, because it is better than receiving nothing at all.

Adaptation ra mn jd solution ana, how do you think those families below the poverty line survive everyday? They have learned to adapt, buy only what you need. Practice a sort of "preventive lifestyle", ie drink vitamins to prevent diseases, stop alcohol to prevent disease, etc. Ride the jeep instead of taxi, wake-up early para d ka mktaxi if m.late na ka for work, instead of eating at carenderias make your own lunch, etc.

[pepponeskie]

The best solution for this is to learn to adapt. Adjust your lifestyle to fit your basic needs. Cutdown on your wants. Do part-time jobs, with the advent of the internet these days, there are many parttime jobs online, currently I'm doing one online and homebased. It's not much but I can get my wants, my salary will pay for my needs and my part-time can pay for my wants and a bit of my needs. Never think na kulang imo sweldo, because it is better than receiving nothing at all.

Adaptation ra mn jd solution ana, how do you think those families below the poverty line survive everyday? They have learned to adapt, buy only what you need. Practice a sort of "preventive lifestyle", ie drink vitamins to prevent diseases, stop alcohol to prevent disease, etc. Ride the jeep instead of taxi, wake-up early para d ka mktaxi if m.late na ka for work, instead of eating at carenderias make your own lunch, etc.

sakto kaau ka boss...it is the same as the theory of adaptation of Darwin.

Cutting down the wants is the main point...We are not in a country nga nindot ug dagku ug sweldo.
Unlike Japan nga ang sweldo kasagaran naa sa 300K Yen or 150K pesos. I was there, and really in a month makapalit naka ug Bnew Mid-end SLR (50~60K pesos). Pero ang cost of living didto grabe pod ka mahal. Pagkaon, plete sa train, ug accommodation nalang daan...wa na...kamang na.

The country cannot stop the Filipinos from migrating to another countries.

that's why kung ikaw, daghan kaau ka ug wants, maypa mo trabaho ka sa gawas...in a way pod nga makatabang ka sa economiya sa pinas.

[deks]

@TS:

the one of the best business in the Philippines today is outsourcing. Naka suway ko ani sa una pero wa jud makaya kay kuwang ug sources para sa mga trabaho.

Ganahan na sila mga foreigner nga mo patrabaho sa atong mga pilipino kay barato ra man ang labor cost. Kung ikaw ang usa ka tag-iya sa usa ka outsourcing company, makita nimo unsa kadaku ang makuha nimo with a hassle-free types of jobs. Sa akong kaila sa una freelance outsource to cya sa CAD, dawat cya ug 60k ang buwan pero ang trabaho nya pwerteng sayuna ra...

di naman na mapugngan nga magsaka tanang butang pero ang sweldo wala mosaka.

btaw brah!the best jud ang outsourcing run, well im working at an outsourcing firm (IT), pro nindot sd jud buhat imo kaugalingon..tempting kaau..

[Clifford_2008]

Why not making it fair...

pabor man dyud na pirme sa employer dili sa employee