Tinuod ba ang christmas?

[vahnhelsing]

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Expressions of worship vary but typically include one or more of the following:
Prayer, meditation, ritual, scripture, sacraments, sacrifice, sermons, chanting, music or devotional song, dance, religious holidays, festivals, pilgrimage, dining, fasting, temples or shrines, idols, or simply private individual acts of devotion.

what is worship for u?

i find it very wrong for those who ask or sought for the saints help to do something for us.. for they are only like us sinners as well.. there are saints in heaven.. there are soon to be saints, but can they really intercede for us or do miracles even after they die?

[FAQ]

--> Have you read the bible verses I give you or even the web page I give you? Dalia ra gud nimu ka-reply? Basaha sa before ka mu-comment.


Saints, Angels, and Mary may be considered Omnipresence and Omniscience but they are not Omnipotent. God is omnipotent after all.

I read them ALL !! JESUS never spoke of praying to SAINTS or to the significance of statues or other religious relics . GET REAL !!

[neigyl_noval]

Expressions of worship vary but typically include one or more of the following:
Prayer, meditation, ritual, scripture, sacraments, sacrifice, sermons, chanting, music or devotional song, dance, religious holidays, festivals, pilgrimage, dining, fasting, temples or shrines, idols, or simply private individual acts of devotion.

what is worship for u?

i find it very wrong for those who ask or sought for the saints help to do something for us.. for they are only like us sinners as well.. there are saints in heaven.. there are soon to be saints, but can they really intercede for us or do miracles even after they die?

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Dili na sila ang maghimo og milagro. In-ani ni xa. We ask the Saints to pray for us.

So kung sa atoa pa: Since sila may close sa Ginoo ngadto sa langit. Dali kaayo sila makahangyo sa Ginoo kay silingan rman sila. So inig kadungog sa mga santos sa ampo sa mga taw, mu-dagan dayon na sila ngadto sa Ginoo para muhangyo sa atong pag-ampo. Pero dili jud na mao ang nahitabo ha nga mu-dagan, etc. Simulation lang.

Thanks.

[neigyl_noval]

I read them ALL !! JESUS never spoke of praying to SAINTS or to the significance of statues or other religious relics . GET REAL !!

--> Wala jud diay ka kasabot sa akong gihatag nimu or dili lang jud ka ganahan mo-sabot.

I guess mao ni imung gipangita nga explanation:

Catholic Apologetics: Statue worshipping.

Ako na gi-google para muhatag nimug thorough explanation about Saints, and statues.

[edoy]

in general kini nga beliefs address only to Christian Faith, if ikaw Buddhism or Muslim or Taoism ka dili ka affected ani.pero mas malipay pa gihapon ang ubang tino-uhan nga naay pasko ky ma-apil angilang inter faith relationships thru trading.....ang ako lng nabantayan sa video ug nganu naay ubuntu nga sign sa inverted star ?

[Vien]

--> Wala jud diay ka kasabot sa akong gihatag nimu or dili lang jud ka ganahan mo-sabot.

I guess mao ni imung gipangita nga explanation:

Catholic Apologetics: Statue worshipping.

Ako na gi-google para muhatag nimug thorough explanation about Saints, and statues.

I guess he never bothers to watch or read the link coz he doesn't want to get involved with idolatry.

[vahnhelsing]

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Dili na sila ang maghimo og milagro. In-ani ni xa. We ask the Saints to pray for us.

So kung sa atoa pa: Since sila may close sa Ginoo ngadto sa langit. Dali kaayo sila makahangyo sa Ginoo kay silingan rman sila. So inig kadungog sa mga santos sa ampo sa mga taw, mu-dagan dayon na sila ngadto sa Ginoo para muhangyo sa atong pag-ampo. Pero dili jud na mao ang nahitabo ha nga mu-dagan, etc. Simulation lang.

Thanks.

Mark 7:6-9 “Jesus answered them, “How right Isaiah was when he prophesied about you! You are hypocrites, just as he wrote: 'These people, says God, honor me with their words, but their heart is really far away from me. It is no use for them to worship me, because they teach human rules as though they were my laws!' “You put aside God's command and obey human teachings.” And Jesus continued, “You have a clever way of rejecting God's law in order to uphold your own teaching.”

[neigyl_noval]

I guess he never bothers to watch or read the link coz he doesn't want to get involved with idolatry.

--> Who is the 'he' you are referring to? Anyway. it is ok. We have different beliefs.

Mark 7:6-9 “Jesus answered them, “How right Isaiah was when he prophesied about you! You are hypocrites, just as he wrote: 'These people, says God, honor me with their words, but their heart is really far away from me. It is no use for them to worship me, because they teach human rules as though they were my laws!' “You put aside God's command and obey human teachings.” And Jesus continued, “You have a clever way of rejecting God's law in order to uphold your own teaching.”

--> Yep. This is true.

To end the argument:

We have different beliefs. What is important is we do good while we are still alive. So let us stop defending my side and your side about religious practices and beliefs. Let us stop saying that "you are wrong and mine is correct" or "this is the truth and yours are not". There is only one thing in common to all Christian religions and there is only one application to all of these, that is: Let us be good to one another and avoid hurting anyone. Let us do good in our job to be successful in life.

[Vien]

Mark 7:6-9 “Jesus answered them, “How right Isaiah was when he prophesied about you! You are hypocrites, just as he wrote: 'These people, says God, honor me with their words, but their heart is really far away from me. It is no use for them to worship me, because they teach human rules as though they were my laws!' “You put aside God's command and obey human teachings.” And Jesus continued, “You have a clever way of rejecting God's law in order to uphold your own teaching.”

This is for you bro. Neigyl, Nakasabot man diay ka ani why not do it all in a christian way? ayaw ug sunod-sunod sa sayop nga pamaagi bro. Read your Bible, obey, live with it, dili kay tikdol-tikdol lang ang imong pagka Christiano.

[neigyl_noval]

This is for you bro. Neigyl, Nakasabot man diay ka ani why not do it all in a christian way? ayaw ug sunod-sunod sa sayop nga pamaagi bro. Read your Bible, obey, live with it, dili kay tikdol-tikdol lang ang imong pagka Christiano.

--> Hahai. Gi-commentaryohan man dayon akong closing statement.

Vein, I live in principles and I believe something based on principles. All I have understood have bases. Wala ko nag-buot2x or nag-sunod2x. I have already given my opinion here in this thread regarding all confusions about Catholic faith particularly about Christmas. But, Vein, you still insist not to open to the reasons of such a particular Catholic faith. Mu-insist jud ka nga sayop amoa den imuha kay sakto. Hahai.

Edit: my last message was actually addressed to you to be exact. If you notice, all my comments about Catholic religion have biblical basis.