Tinuod ba ang christmas?

[Vien]

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@ VIEN ...

Sorry to butt in but let me ask you this , you read the ROMAN CATHOLIC BIBLE and your reference is not even close to be ROMAN CATHOLIC .

Now if you insist that Roman Catholic ang bible na gi read nimo , how true is it ? Does it have the NIHIL OBSTAT and IMPRIMATUR in the earlier pages ? if not then its not the ROMAN CATHOLIC BIBLE and yes , the birth of Christ there which is CHRISTMAS in the gospels of MATTHEW and LUKE likely being explained that it doesnt need a THEOLGIAN to interpret it .

Did you know that naay mga meaning na mga 3 magi's , guiding star , sheperds , barn , gold , incense and myrrh ? Even if wala si SANTA diha and the rest of the Christmas symbols , it doesnt mean it is wrong because these are mere tools to remind us of our duties .

If you want to see the Bible I read, I can show it to you bros, my mother purchased it at Sto. Rosario. Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur sorry bro ako sa tan-awon if naa ba. The birth of Christ was never been dated on Roman Catholic Bibles why need to be specific when it was none? No date. Now if you we try to trace those dates in jerusalem the place were found to be frozen because of snow on that very said date.

Mother Nature has it's Natural Evidence and it was found to be fraud when you probably say it's Dec. 25th. If in the other way you said it is the meaning of Christmas why we celebrated it, I should say why? On that very said date? your True God and Pagan God has similarities at all? You joined them? We can never serve two master at the same time. I still believe that Nature will provide the Natural Law, We cannot mix LIGHT WITH DARKNESS.

[Gac]

No AD HOMINEMS

[Vien]

LOL you're a funny guy...

Please stop ridiculing yourself.. expose man nuon.. wa man gani kay ikatubag sa among mga pangutana, di man gani ka katubag og tarong sa mga simpol kaayong pangutana....

Tubag sad og tarong Vien para tuhoan sad ka ba...

Maypa unahon to nimo og pakita ana imong mga video ang mga rugby boys basin mo tuo pa..

FUNNY... funnny

[Vien]

Daan pako na TUBELESS na gyud ang ulo aning VIEN
tungod sa YOUTUBE....

Nothing to say?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

If you want to see the Bible I read, I can show it to you bros, my mother purchased it at Sto. Rosario. Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur sorry bro ako sa tan-awon if naa ba.

It better have one because you are gonna end up being the laughing stock although we already see it that way because of your ridiculous mentality and reasoning . ANyways , mo contradict man na siya because you are using a Roman Catholic tool and you rbeliefs are sided with those BIBLE FANATICS . In the first place ang mga KATOKILO di man panatiko sa bibliya , tapulan pa man kaayo mo basa gani because we undeerstand bible HEARTILY instead of LITERALLY . Now on the other hand , you are so inclined with the TRUTH of the video you are presenting here and its not even CATHOLIC at all .

The birth of Christ was never been dated on Roman Catholic Bibles why need to be specific when it was none? No date. Now if you we try to trace those dates in jerusalem the place were found to be frozen because of snow on that very said date.

For what reason which I know there is one kung ngano Dec. 25 siya is I dont know but gi explained na siya na and I will look for that for your convenience .

Mother Nature has it's Natural Evidence and it was found to be fraud when you probably say it's Dec. 25th. If in the other way you said it is the meaning of Christmas why we celebrated it, I should say why? On that very said date? your True God and Pagan God has similarities at all? You joined them? We can never serve two master at the same time. I still believe that Nature will provide the Natural Law, We cannot mix LIGHT WITH DARKNESS.

You are basicaly saying that JESUS CHRIST is a PAGAN god because its Him whom we observe during Christmas day . Did you even bother to read sa link ni JD CELLPHONE about Christmas ? Or ang intro ra pod cguro ? That would be unfair kay ako gi tiwas ra ba jud ang video ug view .

Ask lang ko , what are your basis na I joined them or I am serving two masters at a time or maybe mas better ni , say di ka mo celebrate ug Christmas sa Dec 25 , will you celebrate it all year round ?

I am still waiting for your videos na EXPOSE pod and to answer your question , YES TINUOD ang CHRISTMAS .

[Vien]

It better have one because you are gonna end up being the laughing stock although we already see it that way because of your ridiculous mentality and reasoning . ANyways , mo contradict man na siya because you are using a Roman Catholic tool and you rbeliefs are sided with those BIBLE FANATICS . In the first place ang mga KATOKILO di man panatiko sa bibliya , tapulan pa man kaayo mo basa gani because we undeerstand bible HEARTILY instead of LITERALLY . Now on the other hand , you are so inclined with the TRUTH of the video you are presenting here and its not even CATHOLIC at all .



For what reason which I know there is one kung ngano Dec. 25 siya is I dont know but gi explained na siya na and I will look for that for your convenience .


You are basicaly saying that JESUS CHRIST is a PAGAN god because its Him whom we observe during Christmas day . Did you even bother to read sa link ni JD CELLPHONE about Christmas ? Or ang intro ra pod cguro ? That would be unfair kay ako gi tiwas ra ba jud ang video ug view .

Ask lang ko , what are your basis na I joined them or I am serving two masters at a time or maybe mas better ni , say di ka mo celebrate ug Christmas sa Dec 25 , will you celebrate it all year round ?

I am still waiting for your videos na EXPOSE pod and to answer your question , YES TINUOD ang CHRISTMAS .

Mao jud ang katoliko dili fanatico sa Bible kay Sa "REBOLTO RA".

Unsaon nimo pag sabot sa Bible kung dili nimo basahon? You said HEARTILY how do you say so?

Tinuod ba ang petsa 25 sa Decembre ang exact date? Yes or NO?

IF no then why celebrate false birthdays? If yes then why would I oppose if that was the true birth date of Jesus? Ang tinuod man gud Brod dili angay lalison kay tinuod man.

Ako natawo ko ug January 13, 1980 Ngano kabalo lagi ko nga natawo ko Jan. 13, 1980 ug ang mga tawo nga nakaila nako dili malalis kay it was really the true birth date.

Now regarding sa birth date ni Jesus why is it that no exactness? Ang ordinaryong tawo man gani adunay sure nga adlawng natawhan Ang Dios pa kaha?

Wala ko mo ingon nga si Cristo Pagano nga Dios, kaw ra ang gaingon ana bro.

[neigyl_noval]

Mao jud ang katoliko dili fanatico sa Bible kay Sa "REBOLTO RA".

--> Yep. Dili mi fanatico sa Bible kay amo nmn gi-apply ang naa sa bible sa among kinabuhi (except sa katong mga badlungon jud). Ang rebolto TS naa pud na sa Bible. Kung "fanatico" ka sa bible dapat nakabasa ka ana nga part.

Unsaon nimo pag sabot sa Bible kung dili nimo basahon? You said HEARTILY how do you say so?

--> Nasabtan sad nimu ang Bible? Basin Gospel of Judas na imung gibasa. If naka-basa ka sa Bible, dapat maka-sabot ka nga ni-exist ang Christmas, ug ni-exist ang mga fiestas, mga festivals, etc.

Tinuod ba ang petsa 25 sa Decembre ang exact date? Yes or NO?

--> Tinood nga naay December 25 nga date.

IF no then why celebrate false birthdays? If yes then why would I oppose if that was the true birth date of Jesus? Ang tinuod man gud Brod dili angay lalison kay tinuod man.

--> My answer is actually both. Yes. Tinuod xa kay sa kadugay wala man na mausab. Imagine 2010 years nana nato gi-celebrate ang Christmas. No. It is actually not the exact date. And no one knows the exact date because there is no Calendar at that time.

Ako natawo ko ug January 13, 1980 Ngano kabalo lagi ko nga natawo ko Jan. 13, 1980 ug ang mga tawo nga nakaila nako dili malalis kay it was really the true birth date.

--> Because people nowadays did not meet Jesus personally. Ikaw, nakaila man ka namo diri sa istorya. Kabaw ka sa secreto sa Ginoo?

Now regarding sa birth date ni Jesus why is it that no exactness? Ang ordinaryong tawo man gani adunay sure nga adlawng natawhan Ang Dios pa kaha?

--> It is the same question as: "Kanus-a ang birthday ni Adam and Eve? Ni Noah?". If kabaw ka sa ilang date of birth, why not ni Jesus. Now, nganung kailangan man jud naay birthday celebration si Jesus. Obviously, because he is greater above all.

Wala ko mo ingon nga si Cristo Pagano nga Dios, kaw ra ang gaingon ana bro.

--> Mao na imung gipasabot ug mao na among nasabtan nimu. Imagine you think of us Catholics do pagan worship? Is Jesus not a real God? Hahaiyz..

[Vien]

--> Yep. Dili mi fanatico sa Bible kay amo nmn gi-apply ang naa sa bible sa among kinabuhi (except sa katong mga badlungon jud). Ang rebolto TS naa pud na sa Bible. Kung "fanatico" ka sa bible dapat nakabasa ka ana nga part.

Bro, Read the Romans chapters from the very beginning and you'll find out what it says about "Reboltos"



--> Nasabtan sad nimu ang Bible? Basin Gospel of Judas na imung gibasa. If naka-basa ka sa Bible, dapat maka-sabot ka nga ni-exist ang Christmas, ug ni-exist ang mga fiestas, mga festivals, etc.

I am not interested on Judas Gospel at all why would I?, Basa sa Romans Bro.



--> Tinood nga naay December 25 nga date.

??



--> My answer is actually both. Yes. Tinuod xa kay sa kadugay wala man na mausab. Imagine 2010 years nana nato gi-celebrate ang Christmas. No. It is actually not the exact date. And no one knows the exact date because there is no Calendar at that time.

Are you sure there is no calendar? Naa na Bro pero dili GREGORIAN CALENDAR PAREHAS SA ATONG GIGAMIT KARON.


--> Because people nowadays did not meet Jesus personally. Ikaw, nakaila man ka namo diri sa istorya. Kabaw ka sa secreto sa Ginoo?

What a Question?



--> It is the same question as: "Kanus-a ang birthday ni Adam and Eve? Ni Noah?". If kabaw ka sa ilang date of birth, why not ni Jesus. Now, nganung kailangan man jud naay birthday celebration si Jesus. Obviously, because he is greater above all.

Do I ask for it? Wala man ko nakiglalis kung natawo ba o wala o may birthday ba o wala ang akoa is ang DAte nganong man intawn gi December 25 man intawn ni oi..kung wla kabalo di dili mag butang-butang.



--> Mao na imung gipasabot ug mao na among nasabtan nimu. Imagine you think of us Catholics do pagan worship? Is Jesus not a real God? Hahaiyz..

Naa bakoy gi ingon nga si Cristo Dili tinuod nga Dios? Yes catholic do pagan worship.

[neigyl_noval]

Bro, Read the Romans chapters from the very beginning and you'll find out what it says about "Reboltos"
--> Which part in Roman so I may enlighten you? Existence of reboltos are found here: Exodus 25:18-21; Numbers 21:8-9; 1 Kings 6:23-28; 1 Kings 6:29ff; Ezekiel 41:17. Kana lang. Do you have resources nga mas molabaw sa akong gihatag nimu (that mu-prove nga sayop ang rebolto)?

I am not interested on Judas Gospel at all why would I?, Basa sa Romans Bro.
--> I did. But what you are believing now not within the message of the bible.


Are you sure there is no calendar? Naa na Bro pero dili GREGORIAN CALENDAR PAREHAS SA ATONG GIGAMIT KARON.
--> Yep. Naay Calendar sa una pero wala pay January, February,...December.


--> Because people nowadays did not meet Jesus personally. Ikaw, nakaila man ka namo diri sa istorya. Kabaw ka sa secreto sa Ginoo?

Do I ask for it? Wala man ko nakiglalis kung natawo ba o wala o may birthday ba o wala ang akoa is ang DAte nganong man intawn gi December 25 man intawn ni oi..kung wla kabalo di dili mag butang-butang.
--> Ok2x. Murag dili jud ka na-gubot. Cge. In-ani ni xa ts ai:

Before diay. Mangutana ko nimu TS. Please ko answer ani:
(1) Unsay sayop kung mag-himo2x ang simbahan og date sa birth ni Jesus knowing nga wala juy nakahibaw ani? If naay sayop, sala ba ni? If sala na, pasabot walay Katoliko nalangit?

Now ang explanation. Actually 2 ni ka explanation pero 1 ra akong na-share nimu so far
(1) December ang 25 ang gigamit so that people will not worship the sun anymore but to Jesus. Ok settle naka ana?
(2) Murag taas2x ni so agwanta lang sa pag-basa. Sa panahon sa Ginoo, kuyog nila pirmi ang mga Apostoles. So, kabaw ang mga apostles tanan about sa Ginoo including His birthday. Ok, sabtan so far? Now, sa minds sa mga apostles, ila na gitiman-an ang date sa birthday sa Ginoo through the ancient method of calendar or watever. So kabaw na ang mga apostles ana. Wen Jesus died, gihatag og tasks ang mga apostles nga mu-substitute sa trabaho ni Jesus. Apil na ana kanus-a nataw ang Ginoo. Mao ng naa sa bible nga nataw ang Ginoo sa Bethlehem. Wala lang gi-apil ang date kay wala pamay December sa una. Ok settle na? The answer to your question, "Nganung Dec 25 man tawn?" Kay tungod sa mga apostles kay silay nakahibaw kung wen exactly nataw ang Ginoo. Gitiman-an ra na nila kanang adlawa until nahimo nang adlawa og December 25.

Asa may tinood sa duha? Ang duha maoy tinood.

Actually TS naa pay daghan controvesies ani. Example: December 25 kay winter sa Bethlehem. Walay mga animals (sheep, donkey) nga mugawas panahon sa winter. D nlng ko mupadayon kay malibog kag samot sa imung pagtoo.


Naa bakoy gi ingon nga si Cristo Dili tinuod nga Dios? Yes catholic do pagan worship.
--> Among gi-worship kay si Cristo rman. Naa pa diay lain? (Take note: Catholics do not worship saints). Among gi-worship kay si Cristo ra. What makes Christian worship a pagan worship?

[Vien]

[quote=neigyl_noval;8940911]Bro, Read the Romans chapters from the very beginning and you'll find out what it says about "Reboltos"
--> Which part in Roman so I may enlighten you? Existence of reboltos are found here: Exodus 25:18-21; Numbers 21:8-9; 1 Kings 6:23-28; 1 Kings 6:29ff; Ezekiel 41:17. Kana lang. Do you have resources nga mas molabaw sa akong gihatag nimu (that mu-prove nga sayop ang rebolto)?

I am not interested on Judas Gospel at all why would I?, Basa sa Romans Bro.
--> I did. But what you are believing now not within the message of the bible.


Are you sure there is no calendar? Naa na Bro pero dili GREGORIAN CALENDAR PAREHAS SA ATONG GIGAMIT KARON.
--> Yep. Naay Calendar sa una pero wala pay January, February,...December.


--> Because people nowadays did not meet Jesus personally. Ikaw, nakaila man ka namo diri sa istorya. Kabaw ka sa secreto sa Ginoo?

Do I ask for it? Wala man ko nakiglalis kung natawo ba o wala o may birthday ba o wala ang akoa is ang DAte nganong man intawn gi December 25 man intawn ni oi..kung wla kabalo di dili mag butang-butang.
--> Ok2x. Murag dili jud ka na-gubot. Cge. In-ani ni xa ts ai:

Before diay. Mangutana ko nimu TS. Please ko answer ani:
(1) Unsay sayop kung mag-himo2x ang simbahan og date sa birth ni Jesus knowing nga wala juy nakahibaw ani? If naay sayop, sala ba ni? If sala na, pasabot walay Katoliko nalangit?

-Kaw bro kung imbentohan ka ug adlawng natawhan nya kabalo jud ka nga dili mao mo sugot ka?

-Wala pay nalangit bro kay wala pa may judgment day. Usa pa dili mana mag agad kung unsa imong denomination aron ka maluwas it is what you do and what you understand about your faith and how your live your life with the faith you have.




Now ang explanation. Actually 2 ni ka explanation pero 1 ra akong na-share nimu so far
(1) December ang 25 ang gigamit so that people will not worship the sun anymore but to Jesus. Ok settle naka ana?

-No bro dili ma settle ang tubag kay sayop gihapon, In what reason and who's authority why did they choose that date aduna bay apparition? miracle? aduna bay tawo nga giingnan sa Dios nga "ANAK HIMOA NGA ANG BIRTHDAY NI JESUS CHRIST PETSA 25 SA DECEMBRE"?

(2) Murag taas2x ni so agwanta lang sa pag-basa. Sa panahon sa Ginoo, kuyog nila pirmi ang mga Apostoles. So, kabaw ang mga apostles tanan about sa Ginoo including His birthday. Ok, sabtan so far? Now, sa minds sa mga apostles, ila na gitiman-an ang date sa birthday sa Ginoo through the ancient method of calendar or watever. So kabaw na ang mga apostles ana. Wen Jesus died, gihatag og tasks ang mga apostles nga mu-substitute sa trabaho ni Jesus. Apil na ana kanus-a nataw ang Ginoo. Mao ng naa sa bible nga nataw ang Ginoo sa Bethlehem. Wala lang gi-apil ang date kay wala pamay December sa una. Ok settle na? The answer to your question, "Nganung Dec 25 man tawn?" Kay tungod sa mga apostles kay silay nakahibaw kung wen exactly nataw ang Ginoo. Gitiman-an ra na nila kanang adlawa until nahimo nang adlawa og December 25.

Dili gihapon bro. In fact our days now are made from pagan named after their Gods, they made Gregorian Calendar which is a Pagan Calendar, It was basing it's festivities, or Holidays or Holy Days on their Roman Pagan gods or Deity. So it will never be settled sa pagka karon, never say assumption coz it will never be credited as true.

Asa may tinood sa duha? Ang duha maoy tinood.

Actually TS naa pay daghan controvesies ani. Example: December 25 kay winter sa Bethlehem. Walay mga animals (sheep, donkey) nga mugawas panahon sa winter. D nlng ko mupadayon kay malibog kag samot sa imung pagtoo.

Kabalo nako ana Bro. Dugay na. I even made a comments on it diri.


Naa bakoy gi ingon nga si Cristo Dili tinuod nga Dios? Yes catholic do pagan worship.
--> Among gi-worship kay si Cristo rman. Naa pa diay lain? (Take note: Catholics do not worship saints). Among gi-worship kay si Cristo ra. What makes Christian worship a pagan worship?[/quot

Who? is it really Christ? Then why is it that catholics mo adto jud sa "NAGHILAK-HILAK NGA BATO SA SIMALA ARON MAG PAKITABANG? Mao bani imong giingon nga Si Jesu Cristo ra?