Visconde Massacre Before and Upto Now

[JezzyCalm]

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grabe until now.. wala japon clear.. pulpol ba nila oi.. kwarta gadagan ani.. por bida..

[black_mamba]

guilty or not guilty... pero pila naka ka years na priso gud... GUBA njud imong knabuhi... tabla ra kag gipatay ug hinay2x... life's too short as they say...

[Jumperman]

The note submitted by the United States Embassy along with the reports provided by the FBI were not admitted in court by the then presiding judge. These were deemed fake without even investigating! Another reason these were not admitted was no one from the US embassy would testify in court. Eh hellooo? Nasa US law kaya na bawal sila magmeddle.

ofc, the USA will not allow their Secretary State to witness (OMG, he/shes the busiest secretary i can say in the World. example: Hillary Clinton) and FBI Chief, because it an insult to them. lol

What do you mean without investigating? You know why the documents were not admitted as evidence? Because then-US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, the one who verified the authenticity of the said documents, does not want to testify in court. Her written statement is not enough, she should testify under oath. That is really the reason why the documents were "rejected". Yes, as provided in our Public International Laws, foreign states (as represented by their government officials) are outside the jurisdiction of Philippine courts, but they may choose to voluntarily participate in hearings notwithstanding that limit on Philippine courts' jurisdiction. That being clear, if they are really that convinced of Webb's innocence, why not dive into the fray to protect or help him? They can't just say that the non-admission of their documents is "insulting". What do they expect, that the "dog" known as the Philippine Courts take every bone tossed their way by the American "masters"? If that were the case, then expect a lot more cases in the future to be decided based on whether or not the USA intervenes and issues certain documents.

The Webbs asked for DNA testing but then again Judge Tolentino won't allow it. Because for them the star witness Jessica Alfaro's words were enough to convict. Isinantabi ang evidence at mas pinaniwalaan ang durugistang witness!

Back then, DNA testing was ruled to be unreliable because our country did not have the equipment. DNA testing back then was very inconsistent, as proven in different cases.

Jessica Alfaro's words were enough to convict because she provided a first-hand account of what went on the night of the crime. It was further fortified by the testimonies of the other witnesses (the Webb househelp, Gerardo Biong's girlfriend, and the others). Their different testimonies complemented each other. You cannot say that all the witnesses were briefed to give fabricated accounts. You think Alfaro, the househelp, Biong's girlfriend, and etc actually conspired just to convict Webb and company?

People keep on pointing out Alfaro's past as a drug addict, but what about Webb? He was a drug addict as well (although naturally, he denies it). Ponder on that.

This is how shi tty our justice system is, walay kwenta. Only in the Philippines!

I don't totally disagree with this line. But before you point a finger at the courts, get your facts straight first and make sure you actually understand what you're saying and that you're not just jumping on the Philippine Justice System-bashing bandwagon for the hell of it.

[Jumperman]

yeah its old, but its not even solve cause theres still SC to conclude this case.

And in whose favor do you think this slow-turn of the wheels of justice tilted? Pro-Webb and company ka as can be culled from your posts. Huna-hunaa, why would the widower Vizconde want to make this case drag on? As much as possible he wants the case over and done with. So if you're taking issue with the case being "old" because of the incompetence of the courts, then you have your friend Webb to blame for employing different dilatory tactics.

do you think USA will manipulate the records?

It's not an issue about the good 'ole USA manipulating the records. It's just that the evidence the Webbs and the other accused presented weren't enough to overturn the evidence and testimonies of the victims' side.

theres no such thing as you get jailed without proving, have you seen the case of that Nursing Girl Gang Raped? the 6 suspects were freed due to lack of evidences. its even a good points to the defendants because Mr, Visconde cleaned up all the evidences in their house after the massacre..

there were no evidences, theres only 1 witness. not even credible. against a lot of evidences + witness of the defendant. Even the NBI Chief handling that case before said, he cannot believe that hubbert got jailed, and to think Webb, the NBI chief and Visconde are all in the same village.

Vizconde was not the one who "cleaned up all the evidences in their house". It was Gerardo Biong, remember? Why would Vizconde clean up the evidence, he just lost his family for crying out loud! Why clean up the stuff that can help you pinpoint the culprits?

Now as to the "get jailed without proving" part, our Constitution under the Bill of Rights provides that the accused should not be held to answer for a criminal offense without due process of law. That part where you pointed out the lack of evidence needed to convict is correct, but it is not applicable in Webb's case. He was not denied due process, he was allowed to present all kinds of evidence, different witnesses, everything but the kitchen sink to attest to the innocence he claims. The semen sample is not the only angle that can prove the guilt of the accused. Abi na-wala ang semen sample wa nalang diay kwenta ang uban evidence? The burden of proving innocence falls on the accused, so if Webb and company really want to prove it, then they should pull all the stops. Bisag unsa na man lang ang ilang angle na gi-exploit.

Get your facts straight first bro.

And also, don't you guys find it strange that only the Webbs are continuing with this struggle? What about the other accused?

Do you really feel more pity for the accused whose guilt was established beyond reasonable doubt over the victims and the widower who lost his family to a brutal and grisly rape-slay? Just because Che-Che Lazaro re-visited the case and made a documentary which (obviously) favored the side of the Webbs? And why didn't she also interview and seek the sides of the families of the other accused? The power of media. Let's think for ourselves and not just believe and be swayed by whatever the media presents us.

[kenites]

Finally the court acquits Webb et al...

[tonskie1102]

Finally the court acquits Webb et al...

another epic event in the philippines! Supreme court---FAIL!!

[anjerika]

lame ang justice system sa Pilipinas. pila ka tuig nag antos si Hubert Webb, pila sad ka tuig nag antos si Vizconde. whew. parehong nag suffer ang both parties.

[Jantehshiznit]

And in whose favor do you think this slow-turn of the wheels of justice tilted? Pro-Webb and company ka as can be culled from your posts. Huna-hunaa, why would the widower Vizconde want to make this case drag on? As much as possible he wants the case over and done with. So if you're taking issue with the case being "old" because of the incompetence of the courts, then you have your friend Webb to blame for employing different dilatory tactics.



It's not an issue about the good 'ole USA manipulating the records. It's just that the evidence the Webbs and the other accused presented weren't enough to overturn the evidence and testimonies of the victims' side.






Vizconde was not the one who "cleaned up all the evidences in their house". It was Gerardo Biong, remember? Why would Vizconde clean up the evidence, he just lost his family for crying out loud! Why clean up the stuff that can help you pinpoint the culprits?

Now as to the "get jailed without proving" part, our Constitution under the Bill of Rights provides that the accused should not be held to answer for a criminal offense without due process of law. That part where you pointed out the lack of evidence needed to convict is correct, but it is not applicable in Webb's case. He was not denied due process, he was allowed to present all kinds of evidence, different witnesses, everything but the kitchen sink to attest to the innocence he claims. The semen sample is not the only angle that can prove the guilt of the accused. Abi na-wala ang semen sample wa nalang diay kwenta ang uban evidence? The burden of proving innocence falls on the accused, so if Webb and company really want to prove it, then they should pull all the stops. Bisag unsa na man lang ang ilang angle na gi-exploit.

Get your facts straight first bro.

And also, don't you guys find it strange that only the Webbs are continuing with this struggle? What about the other accused?

Do you really feel more pity for the accused whose guilt was established beyond reasonable doubt over the victims and the widower who lost his family to a brutal and grisly rape-slay? Just because Che-Che Lazaro re-visited the case and made a documentary which (obviously) favored the side of the Webbs? And why didn't she also interview and seek the sides of the families of the other accused? The power of media. Let's think for ourselves and not just believe and be swayed by whatever the media presents us.

you need to get your facts bro, and take it on a legal side.

we'll, the truth will set you free.

[oninrocks]

lame ang justice system sa Pilipinas. pila ka tuig nag antos si Hubert Webb, pila sad ka tuig nag antos si Vizconde. whew. parehong nag suffer ang both parties.

wala gyud au bro.deli nani maluwas ang pilipinas ingn ane nani.

[AnInO]

kabalo baka na ang tawo na nagsakit bisan kinsa pedi niya itudlo na criminal para lang mogaan iyang kasakit...