Legalize Abortion?

[mannyamador]

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Abortifacient Conteraceptives

It is false to say that contraceptives cannot cause abortions. They can and do cause early-term abortions

The fertilized egg is already a newly-concieved human being. It is only at fertilization that all the 46 chromosomes -- 23 from the father and 23 from the mother -- come together to define all the physical characeterisitcs of the human person. This does NOT happen at implantation of the ovum in the uterus, or at any time after. Conception therefore occurs at fertilization.

The Philippine Constitution recognizes this reality and explicitly protects the unborn from conception. This is also made clear in the Records of the COnstitutiona; Commission.

The problem is that some contraceptives destory the fertilized eg and are therefore ABORTIFACIENT.

Contraceptives do NOT prevent ovulation 100% of the time, so they have a ABORTIFACIENT BACKUP MECHANISM that works by preventing the implantation of the fertilized egg. With nowhere to implant, the fertilized egg (which is already a newlyconcienved human being) is eventually flushed out and destroyed. This is an early-term abortion.

The scientific evidence for this abortifacient mechanism is very strong.

• Postfertilization Effects of Oral Contraceptives and Their Relationship to Informed Consent
  http://archfami.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/9/2/126)
  
  
  “It seems likely that for perfect use of COCs, postfertilization mechanisms would
  be likely to have a small but not negligible role. For POPs, COCs with lower
  doses of estrogen, and imperfect use of any OCs, postfertilization effects are
  likely to have an increased role. In any case, the medical literature
  does not support the hypothesis that postfertilization effects of OCs do not exist.”
  
  
• In the Physicians' Prescribing information for Yaz and Yasmin, two oral contraceptives, the manufacturer even describes the abortifacient mechanism of the contraceptives:
  http://berlex.bayerhealthcare.com/ht.../Yasmin_PI.pdf
  http://www.berlex.com/html/products/pi/fhc/YAZ_PI.pdf
  
  
  Combination oral contraceptives (COCs) act by suppression of gonadotropins.
  Although the primary mechanism of this action is inhibition of ovulation,
  other alterations include changes in the cervical mucus (which increases the
  difficulty of sperm entry into the uterus) and the endometrium (which reduces
  the likelihood of implantation).
  
  
• Do Contraceptive Pills cause Abortion?
  By Patrick McCrystal MPSNI / MPSI
  http://www.hliireland.ie/abortifacie...raception.html
  
  
  One of the ways by which the 'pill' works is by;
  
  

  "...the rendering of the endometrium unreceptive to implantation"

  
  Put simply this means a newly created embryo is not allowed to implant in its mother's womb.
  This action takes place after fertilisation (conception), ie after a new life has been created.
  Thus it can be termed abortifacient or abortion-causing. Indeed, the medical literature
  suggests this abortion-causing mode of action does occur during 'pill' use.
  Every chemical contraceptive preparation involving pills, injections, implants and intrauterine
  devices have this mechanism present as an inherent part of their birth control action.
  
  
• Mechanisms of action of intrauterine devices: update and estimation of postfertilization effects
  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12501086
  
  
  There are many potential mechanisms of action for the intrauterine device (IUD), which
  vary by type of IUD (inert, copper, or hormonal). This paper reviews the evidence for each
  potential mechanism of action. On the basis of available data for fertilization rates and clinical
  pregnancy rates, the relative contribution of mechanisms acting before or after fertilization were
  quantitatively estimated. These estimates indicate that, although prefertilization effects are more
  prominent for the copper IUD, both prefertilization and postfertilization
  mechanisms of action contribute significantly to the effectiveness of all types of intrauterine
  devices.
  
  
• CVS/Pharmacy
  http://www.cvs.com
  
  
  IUDs are thought to prevent pregnancy by making the womb ‘unfriendly’ to sperm
  and eggs. Sperm is either killed, or kept from reaching and fertilizing an egg.
  An IUD also may keep a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb and growing into a baby.
  
  
• Mechanism of action of intrauterine contraceptive devices and its relation to informed consent
  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9...ubmed_RVDocSum
  
  
  The purposes of this review are to evaluate the available evidence for the mechanisms
  of action of copper-impregnated intrauterine contraceptive devices and to describe the informed
  consent consequences of those mechanisms. The medical literature was reviewed with the use of
  the Bioethics and Medline databases (1966 to present). Reports that supported or refuted the two
  major postulated mechanisms (interference with implantation of the fertilized ovum or spermicidal
  inhibition of fertilization) were assessed for their relative strength and support for the exclusivity of
  one or the other mechanism. The analysis of the evidence strongly suggests that the contraceptive
  effectiveness of intrauterine contraceptive devices is achieved by both a prefertilization spermicidal
  action and a postfertilization inhibition of uterine implantation. Patient informed
  consent for intrauterine contraceptive device insertion should include a discussion of these mechanisms
  of actions so as to avoid their use in patients with moral objections to postfertilization contraception.

The evidence is clear. Some contraceptives are abortifacient. They can cause abortion. They are properly termed ABORTIFACIENT CONTRACEPTIVES.

Let us also not forget that numerous studies have shown that the increased availability and usage of contraceptives does not necessarily reduce unplanned pregnancies and abortion. In fact, contraceptives often increase them.

• In the United States, 89% of sexually active women of reproductive age "at risk" of
  becoming pregnant use contraception, and forty-eight percent of women with unintended
  pregnancies were using contraception in the month they became pregnant, according to
  the Alan Guttmacher Institute).
  
  
• In his 2005 study, Peter Arcidiacono found that among teens, "increasing access to
  contraception may actually increase long run pregnancy rates even though short run
  pregnancy rates fall. On the other hand, policies that decrease access to contraception,
  and hence sexual activity, are likely to lower pregnancy rates in the long run.
  
  
• Douglas Kirby concluded in his 1999 study that, "Most studies that have been conducted
  during the past 20 years have indicated that improving access to contraception did not
  significantly increase contraceptive use or decrease teen pregnancy."

These are purely scientific, secular reasons for rejecting the RH/Abortion bill.




NO TO ABORTION.
NO TO THE ABORTIFACIENT-PROMOTING RH/ABORTION BILL (HB 96)
YES TO LIFE!

[yhokz101]

yup... one less mouth to feed.. it makes more economic sense than to force supporting a child with in-adequate resources..

do the math.. numbers tell no lies.. it is neutral to all..

tagpila man ni bi:

option A;
babies milk: ? for 2 years
food : ? for 16 years (assuming mag work na cya at 16 yrs old)
education : ? for 16 yrs (wa labot college)
health-care : ? for 16 yrs (wa labot colloge)

option B;
tagpila man condom : x one use

option C;
cost of abortion :
whole procedure : ?? x one use
medicine incase of complications :
cost of burial : x one use....

you're sick... still defending on abortion justifies on the economic uplift of our country.

so fail..

[AmorsoloX]

you're sick... still defending on abortion justifies on the economic uplift of our country.

so fail..

got a better concrete argument?

lets not talk about asbtract things like good & evil, morality, etc...

lets see your cold hard facts...

[unsay_ngalan_nimo]

im for legalizing abortion... cold blooded na kung old blooded.. lol... heart of stone na kung heart of stone...

1. the rich can afford abortion, they have the means to go to states that legalize abortion and do it there..) im for legalizing because

1.a. para maadto sa ato ang income kesa lain nasod ang makabenefit sa tax ...
1.b. para ra gyud ma even ang playing field.... rich and poor pwede maka-abort... safely without the fear of complication...

2. kanang inyo mga picture kay appeal to pity mana oi.. not to reason and logic... daghan man mga states na legala ng abortion... mudepende lang sa asa na month pwede ka abort.. like for some first trimester, pero naa sad country na pwede gihapon ka abort bisan full term na.. actually nakakita ko ana sa judging amy na series na gi-suggest sa doctor na iabort nila kay dako ang chance na abnormala ng bata inig gawas...

3. i know my own stand with regards to abortion.. if other people want to do its their choice to make... personally though i dont favor it.... those who are afraid that a law legalizing abortion will make more people immoral are i believe either blind or stupid... because people dont need laws to decide... we have laws on adultery and concubinage but WTF there are so many guilty people out there... we have a law against rape but that does not deter people from raping...

4. im for abortion because i value the life of the mother more than the child... see actually this is the point of divergence... which life do you value most... in my personal point of view its up to the mother to decide in case of rape and the husband and wife in case they are married when it will endanger the life of the mother or there is a high risk of pregnancy or high probability of infant abnormality...

[yhokz101]

got a better concrete argument?

lets not talk about asbtract things like good & evil, morality, etc...

lets see your cold hard facts...

sorry bro, i got no "cold hard facts" for you this time.. only my point of view and whether you like it or not, there's always the issue on good/evil, morality in this case especially on abortion. And even if you acknowledge it or not it's not my problem anymore it's for you to decide on how to deal on your morality in this issue. Now, lets get back to your RH bill.. not on abortion, since RH bill "doesn't" really promote abortion does it? I'm just trying to oppose your reasoning on abortion is a necessity..which is somewhat twisted and shallow. Deal with it.. I'm not going to rant here or convince you to go against abortion after all you still have the right to voice out yourself, it's just that I'm so not with you on this but that's just me. Go rant some more and convince everyone that abortion can be justified on your own reasoning..

And by the way following what is good or evil or even on the ground of morality is not abstract to me since I do have laws/guidelines/teachings that I follow.. the question is do you have any?

[unsay_ngalan_nimo]

as for the rh bill im i favor of it... all methods should be available to the masses... IUD, female thermometer, special calendars for menstrual cycles... leaflets on natural family planning...

really im for socialize health care in totality... doctors will not have the opportunity to decline or refuse patients.. just like in FRANCE...

maybe we should follow FRANCE..

[AmorsoloX]

sorry bro, i got no "cold hard facts" for you this time..

i prefer not to make decisions without concrete data presented to me first..

morality, good n evil, etc.. are just things made up by men.. to make someone else's opinion as one's standards is equal to the herd mentality done by animals..

being rational makes us human.. being rational sometimes means making hard decisions.

And by the way following what is good or evil or even on the ground of morality is not abstract to me since I do have laws/guidelines/teachings that I follow.. the question is do you have any?

i believe in utilitarianism... the cost of a few for the benifit/welfare of the many..

what is not seen/felt/heard count as nothing... juz keeping it real..

reason and logic over emotion

[yhokz101]

im for legalizing abortion... cold blooded na kung old blooded.. lol... heart of stone na kung heart of stone...

1. the rich can afford abortion, they have the means to go to states that legalize abortion and do it there..) im for legalizing because

1.a. para maadto sa ato ang income kesa lain nasod ang makabenefit sa tax ...
1.b. para ra gyud ma even ang playing field.... rich and poor pwede maka-abort... safely without the fear of complication...

- On 1.a, sakto pod ka ang tax..considering mao nay mindset sa mga buaya.. but still from abortions??
- I think on 1.b naa na sa RH bill.. BUT only to those women na kinahanglan ug medical help like if at risk na ang iyang health then mag complicate na ang iyang pregnancy. Dili sa gusto ra magpa abort tungod kay na buntis kay nagpa da ra sa kalami or biga2x..

2. kanang inyo mga picture kay appeal to pity mana oi.. not to reason and logic... daghan man mga states na legala ng abortion... mudepende lang sa asa na month pwede ka abort.. like for some first trimester, pero naa sad country na pwede gihapon ka abort bisan full term na.. actually nakakita ko ana sa judging amy na series na gi-suggest sa doctor na iabort nila kay dako ang chance na abnormala ng bata inig gawas...

-What's not to pity on killing an innocent child? Not to reason and logic? I believe naay reason ug logic ana IF ang situation is kung mag complicate na ang pregnancy sa mother and needed na nya ang medical attention. Tinuod ka with that scenario na if hopeless na ang baby or if ma abnormal man gani cya naa jd uban mo opt na ila ipa abort ang bata, but not all ana ang ilang decision. Mind you after going through an abortion women may be at higher risk of coping with problems and distress following the procedure. so dili lalim.

3. i know my own stand with regards to abortion.. if other people want to do its their choice to make... personally though i dont favor it.... those who are afraid that a law legalizing abortion will make more people immoral are i believe either blind or stupid... because people dont need laws to decide... we have laws on adultery and concubinage but WTF there are so many guilty people out there... we have a law against rape but that does not deter people from raping...

-Personally you don't favor abortion but you're into promoting it.. asa man jud ka? People who believe that legalizing abortion are not blind or stupid, they are just afraid that if it will be legal people may abuse it and misuse and will end up acting irresponsible. "people dont need laws to decide" - WTF? Are you serious? are you from what jungle? Committing rape, adultery, concubinage doesn't make laws ineffective.. now these are the people you can call stupid and blind. You go ahead decide on your own without following the LAW then we'll see asa ka puniton. There maybe people still committing crime but at least LAW is there to minimize such.

4. im for abortion because i value the life of the mother more than the child... see actually this is the point of divergence... which life do you value most... in my personal point of view its up to the mother to decide in case of rape and the husband and wife in case they are married when it will endanger the life of the mother or there is a high risk of pregnancy or high probability of infant abnormality...

-Now this is way another story... given the situation above.

[AmorsoloX]

as for the rh bill im i favor of it... all methods should be available to the masses... IUD, female thermometer, special calendars for menstrual cycles... leaflets on natural family planning...

i also believe on this too.. dapat available ni ang contraceptives and also educated ang mga tao..

para wala abortion, dapat mag contraceptives, or any for of birth control including natural ones..

we really should educate the people with regards to STDs and HIV too..

prevention is always better than cure..

[blaise]

kaluoy lang aning mga bataa, wa pa gani sila kakaon og kaginhawa or kakita man lang sa hayag, gipatay na!




tell me, what WRONG HAVE THEY DONE nga na judge man dayon sila as PABIGAT SA LIPUNAN nga gipabayad naman sila daan?

nganong ang responsable sa usa ka pamilya, ilang kinabuhi ang bayad??