MERGED: Tau Gamma and Akhro to be branded as 'violent groups' (poll)

[jerx d great]

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the bottomline here is that violence are rampant in these two fraternities!! why make it in right manner!!??
pero wla japn mao lang japn ang tumoy!! gubot lang gihapon!! tsk..tsk..tsk.!! i think wla najud ni kahumanan cla hangtod nalng cguro ma tiguwang ang mga leaders ani dli japon cla ka pugong!! mosamot hinuon! tsk..tsk

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Gigolo ug ma musil ug kulata ug tao pag ka layo ra..............

Do you mean to say the FRATernity would allow this??

Kung Gigolo ka wala manay problem............ Ang problem is the VIOLENCE... and the FRATernity dili ka reprimand ana

We have to be in the same page before I will engage any explanation because it wont make any sense . Sabta una magkalisod basaha katulo mga gipangsuwat nako bag-o ka mo comment .

Second.... Mo sumbong dayon si AKP gi hilabtan siya sa iyang mga AKPFRAts(ang tinuod si AKP ra ga una-una).... Sugod dayon sa gubot, rambol, pusil the end result patay.........

Speaking of INUTIL and WALAY BARUGANAN , you need to back up this statement otherwise hinimo ra ni nimo . Basin ang pikas nagpalaban nako aron di sila mabawsan sa mga brod nako simbako . Basin mao na gipasabot nimo ??

Its all too familiar......... Ga balik-balik nalang.... Ang ka PAET hakot dayon tanan para rambol.... Mao na ang problem.... If your members have problems they go get some FRatmembers and start the violence.......... and you say its the individual's decision to go the wrong path pero ngano mo apil man tanan FRATernity.... INDIVIDUAL manka?

So FRAternity ayaw na mo ang buta-buta kay kamo mismo mo apil sa mga conflicts sa inyong mga Fratmembers..... dira magsugod ang init ug gubot....

mo ingon dayon mo nag wrong path inyong member.......... NGANO mo apil-apil man dayon mo ug gubot its the Fratmembers choice na mag minaldito siya..... Ngano labanan man ninyo?

Prove your specualtion so it wil become a FACT .

That is a FACT and I saw that in my College years.........

refer to my reply above , daghan sulti daghan sayop mao intsik lugi . Its your oppurtunity now to be SPECIFIC and provide REALISTIC SCENARIOS and not just mere SPECULATIONS . Walaka malipong ? You saw it in your college years ? Kung tinuod na nahitabo basin naa naka sa ilawm sa arm chair nimo nitago kung tinuod man gani na .

So ayaw lagi ug angkon ikaw ra nagkupot sa FACTS...........

I can prove my CLAIMED FACTS .... anytime and anywhere . How about you ? DOnt give that BS of seeing it firsthand back in college .

Gusto mo sulod........... Na nanghid mo sa ilang ginikanan?? ni kuha mo ug consent sa ginikanan bisag minor pa under 18? (Ayaw ko taga-i ug rason na gikan sa broken family tanan ang ni sulod sa inyo)

Naay balaod ba diay na naay CONSENT gyud ? Naay balaod ba gyud diay na kinahanglan 18 and above ? Abi ba nako para na sa COLLEGE STUDENTS ang fraternity human ang estudyante mag 1st year man na sa FEU ( Florencio E. Urot ) sa edad na 16 di ba ??

From FRATS own mouth: FRATERNITY are not BABYSITTERS of FRATMEN...... Ang pasabot ani IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN..... kung dili mo ka badlong ug pagtarong sa mga gi pang recruit or ni sulod sa inyong grupo......... ayaw nalang mo ug labot-labot..... kay gubot ra padulngan ana.... ang mahitabo as i said mag rambol dayon kay magka suya-an(the usual phrase nila TABIS raba..... Tabis-tabis ka ron na........... This is a FACT na favorite phrase kaayo) Kung mo deny ka.... wa siguro ka kaila sa inyong mga grupo or ikaw ra ang black sheep sa family..... sige deny lang.... ALL people who went to college will know that phrase.....

Mao na ang claim nimo . Wala ka ni sulti pod ana ? Oo oi tinuod na . Maski mga dili FRATMAN mo sulti man ana . DENY pod ka ana ?? Labot labot sa gubot o labot labot aron ma ayo ang problema ?

And in one very funny incident they did this to a son of a police officer..... the next day they were rounded up by police people inside the school campus and apologize to the police officer's son........ and everybody said GABA kay hambog... dagko kaayo ug singot... gi kataw-an lagi

Good for them . Sakto ka GABA gyud pero dili ang FRATERNITY ang nagbuhat ana , kundi ang IRRESPONSIBLE FRATMEMBERS . Tubagon ko nimo ug connected na ang duha ? Be smarter than that , wala man lage ko kataw-i sa mga naa didto according sa claims nimo .

So imong pasabot they join FRATS to become NOTORIOUS THUGS?? or put in this way they join groups just to cause TROUBLE and TARNISH the GROUPS image.... DO FRATS tolerate VIOLENCE NOw?

NO ang tubag ana tanan . WHy do you keep on insisting that FRATERNITIES are BREEDING GROUNDS for future or career criminals ? You still dont get it do you ??

Kung people join groups not to become good (I agree jsut let me add also)
they should also join groups and not give it a BAD IMAGE............. correct or wrong ko??

WRONG KA .

Yup if they choose the wrong way will the FRATernity just turn a BLIND eye..... What will this do to the FRATernities image... Sa ato pa dawaton lang sa FRAT even though they are contrary to what the FRATernity advocates..... So meaning ang Fraternity walay gi barugan?? Dawat lang ug sayop?

You have to be specific sa IN WHAT WAY the MEMBERS CHOSE the WRONG WAY .

So si FRaternity mo dawat ug mga spoil brat kay gusto sila ma sikat tungod sa ka gubot? Maayo kahibalo na tanan.....
Si Fraternity mo dawat ug mga bulyagon nya wala silay paki.... kay kamao sila kaning mga FRAtmember nga bulyagon Makatabang sa ila? Tabang pangita ug GUBOT.......... Bisag sayop na ilang membro apil lang gyapon sa gubot.......... PAET

Pwerting FAETA gyud NIMO kay dugay pasabton magtuman sa gusto ug gahi ug ulo . Cguro ikaw ang badalongon kaau sa inahan nimo dugay mo patuo . Sama sa akong gi sulti sa una pa gyud , dili tanan istambay maldito ug dili tanan edukado buotan . DIli tanan maldito mo gawas dayon dili tanan nagpa bagsik bagsik mahibaw-an na talawan diay CONCEPT . Gets na ? So out of the picture na ang RECRUITMENT ?? I still chose to be a GOOD CHRISTIAN and HONEST CITIZEN despote of the violence surrounding my beloved fraternity but dili na siya rason nako na gipa nindot ug gipa humot nako but I personally chose to be like that . The frat didnt tell me to do it but guided me and showed me whats right or wrong .

This is how FRats works.... Mas maayo pa ibilin ninyo sa Ginikanan kamao man diay mo bugoy ug walay disciplina nya wala moy mahimo......... in short ayaw pag labot-labot

Storya ta ug tinuod part .... how did you know " HOW THE FRAT WORKS WHEN YOU JUST KNEW IT FROM WHAT YOU SEE and WHAT YOU HEAR " . Be a part and I can vest you that you do have the right to say so because you knew it firsthand otherwise all are just your point of views and opinions whom is still being respected but pointed out to clear things .

Please don't overemphasize your charity works... it sounds like kamo ra ang nag buhat ug charity work sa whole philippines..... unsa nalang diay na ang operation smile....

I am not OVEREMPHASIZING and I did prove it myself from your reaction that you yourself didnt know about it . Remember your claim of NAGPAHUMOT mi by doing projects aron matabanunan ang mga wrongdoings sa fratmembers ? Now you knew some of the projects of AKP w/c is BTW a fraction only of the whole enchilada OVEREMPHASIZE na man gani ang tan-aw nimo . Gusto ka ma operation smile pod ? Pwede buhaton na namo .

Ka daghan charity organizations nga hilom lang wala na news tungod sa gubot, rambol, ug patay......

Like ROTARY and LIONS CLUB majority composed of FILTHY RICH CHINESE BUSINESSMEN of ILLEGAL in NATURE BUSINESESS ?? LOLZ !!


Speaking of VIOLENCE , have you asked people who are NON FRATMEMBERS to stop it also or basin di na gyud magsakit tiyan nila but kalibanga na gyud ?? DOnt constrict your senses only to the fraternity system because no matter what and it is a FACT , FRATERNITIES will and always be a part of the society we live in .

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ MARVIN .... SUYA ra gyud ang hinungdan bai na ni evolved into what is now a VIOLENT REACTION .

@ JUGS ... thats the whole point I am trying to instill naay ga tuo gud diri na tanan FRATMEMBERS kay BLACKSHEEP . Normal ra na bisan asa ka na society .

@ P-CHAN ... we ( AKP ) get along with ( TGP ) and so far the peace pact was and still a successful one . The violence you hear and see are ISOLATED ones . They are not even sanctioned by the frat because busy mi sa projects . Otherwise kung di siya ISOLATED di kaha ma extinct ang TGP sa Cebu realistically speaking ??

@ METZ ... you just proved it to DAGGET that because naay katok ug ulo na magpataka lang ug move , walay tarong na members na nadamay sa gi violate na PEACE PACT because first of all asa FRATERNITY we arekeeping the PACT intact , as an irresponsible member gi "violate" nila ang peace pact but it wont ricochet because it is not an action as a group so it is not a VALID VIOLATION but just a mere STUPID CIME no more and no less . It will just make us work harder to guide more younger generations to the right path instead of the wrong way .

@ THE CHILD ... when you say PUBLIC , be more realistic . You are only a part of the public but you are not the PUBLIC . Speaking of THE PUBLIC , they are more smarter now to absorb the reality they are facing . Pwede pod mag SURVEY ka part from NORTH to SOUTH of Cebu .

@ KAMIKAZE ... true and I salute you for WEIGHING THINGS .

@ COOL .... very true pod pero ang mga kaila nako mas mo prefer mo tira na wala naka inom kay mas ngigo sila . Ang alcohol para ra na sa dili kurso manguyab unya hadlok ma BUSTED mao mo tungab una before mamisita .

@ JERX ... di na baya rampant bai . Hilom na man gani . Kani man gud media naay mamatay na batan-on FRAT RELATED dayon . Nahitabo gani na AKP ang victim kay TGP dayon ang suspect . Walay proof sila ana but the damage is done , too bad the people are not buying it as an information but only to entertain themselves .... in short sa MEDIA , BUSINESS is GOOD .... mga Garcia ra ang nakasapi^ kamo wala .

Again to everyone , naa moy time to browse sa mga links I provided , daghan didto mga tubag sa mga FAQ ninyo .

[tolstoi]

OT..@yadz..nadakpan na ang nakapusil?

[dagget]

Kani man gud media naay mamatay na batan-on FRAT RELATED dayon

Again the same answer blame the media........

Can't the Frats look also themselves on what went wrong? sige nalang ta ug blame here and blame there....

You talk about individual actions.... When a Fratmember does a BAD individual actions BUT says to his co-FRATmembers na gi binuangan siya....

Unsay many reaction sa FRAternity mo laban dayon then hakot dayong para rambol...........


Katong college pako kaila ko sa lihok sa mga Fratmember........... kanang TAbis na word Favorite kaayo.... so DILI ko nag speculate.... Ni agi ko ug college ug ni graduate....

you tell me i'm speculating on what i saw during college..... GET REAL.... Everyone in school knows it.......... so ayaw nalang ipang hambog na ikaw ray sakto ug naay FACTS............

Ikaw ra ni agi ug college diri?? Ikaw ra ni apil ug Frat diri?

Your answers only show that when Frats go wrong you can't admit it............

Ngano nag PEACE PACT man mo.... Nga ingon man ka walay sayop na buhat ang FRATS.... Dili ka mo admit wala moy sayop.... Whats the use of the PEACE PACT....

NAg PEACE pact mo para dili namo mag patay? Ngano wala diay ga patay sauna kay magka suya-suya lang


Your PEACE PACT shows NAG GUBOT MO...........

Israel ang HEzbollah had a ceasfire.... kay for 33 days nag GIRA SIla............

So kana inyong PEACE pact gi unsa mana pag come about?? Wala mo ga patay sauna for flimsy reasons

If FRATS really say it was just an individual action ngano mag PEACE PACT man mo?

I really want to hear the reason behind that peace pact? kay that PEACE pact proves that violence happened between FRATS....

I can prove my CLAIMED FACTS .... anytime and anywhere . How about you ? DOnt give that BS of seeing it firsthand back in college.

tell that to the marines............. If you say my CLAIMs are BS.... Parehas ra sa imo Bull crap pud........

ngiga sa ikaw ra ni agi ug college

Prove hakota tanan nimo classmate para mo corroborate nimo.... naa pud ko 1 classroom mo corroborate nako..........

Your line of reasoning na ikaw ra ang SAKTO....PIKAT....

Kung people join groups not to become good (I agree jsut let me add also)
they should also join groups and not give it a BAD IMAGE............. correct or wrong ko?Huh?

WRONG KA .

So pwede diay ko mo apil sa FRATS or ROtary nya mag gubot-gubot rako nya sawayon sa mga tao ang FRATS or Rotary ngano nag pa apil mani sila ug buang parehas nako....

Unbelievable....

Sama sa akong gi sulti sa una pa gyud , dili tanan istambay maldito ug dili tanan edukado buotan . DIli tanan maldito mo gawas dayon dili tanan nagpa bagsik bagsik mahibaw-an na talawan diay CONCEPT . Gets na ? So out of the picture na ang RECRUITMENT ?? I still chose to be a GOOD CHRISTIAN and HONEST CITIZEN despote of the violence surrounding my beloved fraternity but dili na siya rason nako na gipa nindot ug gipa humot nako but I personally chose to be like that . The frat didnt tell me to do it but guided me and showed me whats right or wrong .

Ka specific sa akong example..... Bugoy ug BRat...

Wala ko ni ingom istamby

All the same why Fratmembers go to violence puzzles me..... INUTIL ra gyud ang FRAternity.. Walay gi Barugan

Maayo naka sulti kay na ang Fraternity mo guide.... kay most of the time PASAGDAN ra ug walay PAKI ang FRaternity sa imong gi pang post..........

I am not OVEREMPHASIZING and I did prove it myself from your reaction that you yourself didnt know about it .

what did you prove that i don't know your civic works........... Gusto lang ka mo palabaw sa inyong civic works.... mao na akong gi prove

Like ROTARY and LIONS CLUB majority composed of FILTHY RICH CHINESE BUSINESSMEN of ILLEGAL in NATURE BUSINESESS ?? LOLZ !!

KARON ako napud mo GAMIT sa WORD NA............ YOU ARE SPECULATING(mas mo tuo nata ang mga tao diri nga ga speculate ko pero kani labaw pa!!!).. and paghakot dayon ug usa ka barangay no mo support and corroborate your statment............

PURE DELUSION and SPECULATION..............

Don't JUSTIFY the FRATS VIOLENCE just because LION's CLUB or ROtary have rich chinese members on illegal business...... 2 wrongs doesn't justify that your have the right to cause violence

[potterboy]

OT..@yadz..nadakpan na ang nakapusil?

katong naigo bai, is a close friend of mine if your referring to the guy pag-anniversary nga gipusil. we already gave the case to the police. madakpan ra ghpon to ang nakapusil. though we are also open for possible angles and not just the frat war. it does not always mean that a member from this particular group got hit on the day of celebration would also mean that it is frat-related. i know the guy personally.

to all:sometimes the world is pictured as two entities. black and white. members should also be classified into two just like it, especially you dagget, that there is also a good member and a bad one.

but i dont want tell anybody to go and classify me.

[dagget]

I don't think Frats should be perfect.....

even a priest had a sexual relationship....

but violence is out of the question.....

Spring can make a FRAT composed of Gigolos.... that is fine by me

But Frats with hoodlums who disturb society thru violence..... that should be dealt..... its not acceptable to say that its the individual's action..... that individual will always carry the FRats name and reputation.....

[endymioun]

But Frats with hoodlums who disturb society thru violence..... that should be dealt.....

Amen to that. Dili maghuman ang debate ani kay para nila wala silay sayup and some would say otherwise.

[endymioun]

to dagget:
ayaw lang sad igeneralize na tanan frat inutil because of what you heard sa news or asa kag source. Kung ang AKP and TGP kay gapinatyanay, dili tanan frat nagpinatyanay. Kana sila wala rana ka 1% sa tanan frat sa pilipinas or in the whole world. In fact nahimo lang na silag International kay ilang brods na ka abroad man. They are not really founded from outside this country. Daghan sad baya nabuhat ang uban frat na maayo. If u can search it thru internet daghan kaayo nabuhat na community services ang other frats from all over d world.

to springfield:
bai mo atest ko aning mga nahitabo sa college days nako about sa giingon ni dagget na tabis tabis nya laban dayon si frat, but im not saying na AKP gabuhat ani or maybe magbarkada lang gyud sila. About rotarians and Lions club, I dont think na majority composed of FILTHY RICH CHINESE BUSINESSMEN of ILLEGAL in NATURE BUSINESESS. Member baya sad ako family ani and wala mi illegal business and we're not even chinese. Why would you say that diay? have you been to their meetings and gatherings? one more thing, ngano modawat man mog underage? Unsa manang mga community base na chapters ninyo, unsa may purpose ana. Hasta naman ang mga istambay apil na sa frat, para unsa? para maka help nila? how? tana lang peace.

[potterboy]

They are not really founded from outside this country. Daghan sad baya nabuhat ang uban frat na maayo.

i agree.

and FYI, just in case all eyes are closed for this reality, we may have soooooo many issues, as per media, violence, testimonies, etc., <--- pero sukad nakat-on ko ug lakaw, gikan pa sa akong mga uyoan ug mga iyaan ug ka-ig-agawan, AKP and all other frats with such reputation is not all that. we became a fraternity for the community after all.