MERGED: FEDERAL DEMOCRACY: A solution to the sick country, the Philippines.

[Rajzh_niX]

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Ang kuwarta nga rematado unta sa manila mao ni gamiton nato para pag-fund sa state expenses.

Can you give me a source nga nag-ingon nga majority sa atong funds is used only in Metro Manila and Luzon?...sa akong pagkahibaw, didto ra itago atong kwarta sa Manila coz naa didto ang "main branch" sa BIR....storage ra silbi and if we need it, we can use it readily....

Ang Australia, federal pero ang ilahang VAT 10% ra. Atoa 12% na inya naa pa juy gaplano nga i-15% kay kulang ra daw. Peste aning pilipinas ui... mao nang tawag nimo nga efficient? basura system....

ang Australia waly utang nga gibayran sa World Bank pero kung naa man, wa sa kumingking sa utang sa Pilipinas.....as stated ni malditohon sa taas, naay mga federal states nga mas taas ug tax excluding other add-on taxes.....

To hell with the tagalogs and their incompetence. I want my money to stay in my town, city and province!

i think it is not about development of each regions that you want.....it is more on getting away from Manila and Luzon....do you think if Cebu is a federal state, makahawa nata sa kapit sa Manila just like what you said.....dili intawn....if you want, you can make Cebu a separate nation/country....

[Rajzh_niX]

What is Needed is a Culture Frame, Not Charter Change - Philippines Today

"Studies show that the ‘rule of law’ is a major factor in the growth and stability of nations. The ability to enforce the law, to keep faith with social contracts and sustain a just system of reward and punishment enables a society to flourish in a secure environment. This capacity for rule-keeping, however, is a matter of culture, those historically learned patterns of behavior by which we organize our common life. What we now call the ‘rule of law’ is a product of modernization, of centuries of habit and custom in those countries which have gone through the struggle of breaking out of the arbitrary rule of despotic monarchies, of sorting out what to them is right and fair and putting in place mechanisms and institutions to ensure that these are defined with some degree of objectivity and continuity."


-----this may somehow prove that the people running our system is the problem....not the system...

[RMK711]

iraq ... oil rich country pero walai klaro ang nag pa dagan sa government (Federal)
sudan ... pobre gihapon maski federal government
Ethiopia ... pobre gihapon maski federal government

singapore - limited land and no natural resources pero na dato ug na himo nga tourist destination

Didn't I say that it is both the people and the system?

History of the Republic of Singapore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The history of the Republic of Singapore began when Singapore gained its independence and became a republic following an ejection from Malaysia on 9 August 1965.[1] After the separation, the fledgling nation had to become self-sufficient, and faced problems including mass unemployment, housing shortages and lack of land and natural resources such as petroleum. During Lee Kuan Yew's term as prime minister from 1959 to 1990, his administration curbed unemployment, raised the standard of living and implemented a large-scale public housing programme. The country's economic infrastructure was developed, racial tension was eliminated and an independent national defence system was created. Singapore evolved from a developing nation to first world status towards the end of the 20th century.[2]

its not the system but the people who runs the system

Wow thanks for the history lesson but I've been to Singapore, have many friends who are Singaporean and I know their politics. They hate Malays because of what happened during the racial riots during the days of federation. As I said before, separation is the ultimate form of federalism, it means 100% autonomy. Of course Singapore is a republic that's because it's a single city.

Kanang imong gilista nga nasud, katawanan kaayo kai niprove lang na nga ang systema walay relasyon ang tax og ang systema.. federal does not mean lower tax. Cliche ra pud kaayo nahulog na og corny hahaha

Nice, because that's exactly what I wanted to prove, that there's no relationship between the system and higher taxes. That was my counter to Romeojin assertion that Federal system is more expensive (in other words leads to higher tax). Where's the cliche there, I'm kinda bummed.. you do know what cliche means right?

diba oil rich nation man ang malaysia?

Oil rich nation doesn't mean rich. And define oil rich, it's nowhere near the reserves of Saudi Arabia if that's what you're implying, because if you think so then Philippines must be oil rich too since we have oil.

pwede nimo ma post ang imo source sir aron ma enlighten pud ko

http://www.asafas.kyoto-u.ac.jp/publ...1/p046-071.pdf

i think it is not about development of each regions that you want.....it is more on getting away from Manila and Luzon....do you think if Cebu is a federal state, makahawa nata sa kapit sa Manila just like what you said.....dili intawn....if you want, you can make Cebu a separate nation/country....

Yeah I've said it many times before, Philippines anyway isn't really a single country, it was just forced upon us by the Spaniards. Before they came, each area had its own leaders. So as I said before, we'd just be going back to our original form.

The saying it's the people not the system is stupid because it's oversimplifying things. Who creates and adopts systems, isn't it people? How do you rate how good a people are? By the systems they research, develop and adopt. So it's circular logic trash... it's far more accurate to say that it's both the people and the system, as one can't exist without the other.

[masakiton]

Didn't I say that it is both the people and the system?

because people runs the system

Wow thanks for the history lesson but I've been to Singapore, have many friends who are Singapore and I know their politics very well. They hate Malays because of what happened during the racial riots during the days of federation. As I said before, separation is the ultimate form of federalism, it means 100% autonomy. Of course Singapore is a republic that's because it's a single city.

ako wala pa naka adto singapore
ang improvement sa singapore kai tingod sa proper management sa government ... pangutan a imo friends kung unsa ka efficient ila mga government leaders ug employees sa pag paminaw ug mo action sa mga complains sa mga locals

Nice, because that's exactly what I wanted to prove, that there's no relationship between the system and higher taxes. That was my counter to Romeojin assertion that Federal system is more expensive (in other words leads to higher tax). Where's the cliche there, I'm kinda bummed.. you do know what cliche means right?

wala ko kahibaw sa meaning
gi copy raman nako imo gi post

Indonesia is oil rich, not Malaysia. They are a lot like the Philippines, except of course, richer but not because of oil.

Malaysia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Malaysia is ranked 24th in terms of world oil reserves and 13th for gas.

The saying it's the people not the system is stupid because it's oversimplifying things. Who creates and adopts systems, isn't it people? How do you rate how good a people are? By the systems they research, develop and adopt. So it's circular logic trash... it's far more accurate to say that it's both the people and the system, as one can't exist without the other.

nabuhi ang taw saunang panahon nga walai government
system cannot survive with out the people to operate it

[RMK711]

because people runs the system



ako wala pa naka adto singapore




wala ko kahibaw sa meaning
gi copy raman nako imo gi post



Malaysia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Malaysia is ranked 24th in terms of world oil reserves and 13th for gas.

But as I said, the reserves are nothing compared to what exists in Saudi Arabia. Read the post again, it was edited before you posted.

nabuhi ang taw saunang panahon nga walai government
system cannot survive with out the people to operate it

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That's why I said, people create systems. Are you sure walai government? Even stone-age humans organized themselves already and lived in nomadic tribes, then those that adopted a system of agriculture, prospered more than those who didn't. There's your first evidence that systems make a difference. Humans will always create systems, that's what makes us humans. Hence one can't exist without the other. Even if only a single human being were left in the universe, he'd still create a system on how he can live and survive by himself.

If you say it's the people not the system, well since people create systems isn't that a criteria by which you can judge them? Smart people develop and adopt superior systems, right? Stupid people on the other hand keep using the same thing over and over again even though it doesn't work...

[masakiton]

Indonesia is oil rich, not Malaysia. They are a lot like the Philippines, except of course, richer but not because of oil.

But as I said, the reserves are nothing compared to what exists in Saudi Arabia. Read the post again, it was edited before you posted.

Malaysia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Malaysia is ranked 24th in terms of world oil reserves and 13th for gas.

indonesia ug malaysia ato gi compare walai labot ang saudi

If you say it's the people not the system, well since people create systems isn't that a criteria by which you can judge them? Smart people develop and adopt superior systems, right? Stupid people on the other hand keep using the same thing over and over again even though it doesn't work...

smart people can have good results with a good system
sa imo gi ingon federal system kai nindot pero iraq and somalia are using fedral system pero dili man lagi maayo ila nasud

Didn't I say that it is both the people and the system?

system is run by people
good system + bad people = bad system

pangutan a imo nga friends nga naa singapore unsa ka efficient ila mga government officials ug employees sa pag paminaw ug actions sa complains sa mga complain king and queens

system + good officials and employee = good system

[BIGMAN]

you saying kung mag change atong systema mulambo atong ekonomiya automatically. unsaon man paglambo nidako man pud ang maintenance.

pila man pud gasto ng central government ang pagpadala ug military didto aber. basin kulang lang sa gihatag didto. mao pud nganong di kaau progressive didto kay tungod sa insurgencies. kung ma federal government na ta ang MILF.. federal army na ng ARMM .

Huna hunaa pud ug tarong Romeojin. Unsa gud tawon molambo automatically. Unsay tuo nimo, gamhanan, magic ni. Of course, it takes time but mas paspas ang kalamboan sa economiya under federal. Sabta kuno ug maau akong post beh, dili kay react lang ka diha.

[okah]

sunod unsa man ibayad/suweldo sa state police, military, state official, juwes, etc .. unsa ? bayaran nila ug gulay tan-aw nimo naa pa kwara ang state kung ang maintenance palang nila is in the Billions lol. basin magtanum nalang ning mga agriculture state ng marijuana

nag tuo ka nga gamay ra ug kita ang agriculture. tanan baya nato gi kinahanglan naa sa agriculture.
mao nay source sa tanan except lang sa oil. pero naa man gani gihapon oil sa agriculture. kung dili na sila mo supply nato nag tuo ka nga maka survive ang mga datu.

[BIGMAN]

Padung ang kwarta sa Manila kay adto man didto ang HQ sa mga goverment branch esp ang BIR. pati ang metro manila gives the central government the same amount of tax.

kaya nato ang progress without federalism, cebu is a proof of that. progrss starts from within. nagtuo mo mo-donate ang uban state kung nagbagyo, nag-earthquak sa usa ka state.

Dili lang kay kani ra ang maabot sa Cebu Romeojin if ma federal na ta. I guess you need to study more about Philippine politics aron ka makasabot ug maau. Subaya ang kwarta aron ka makasabot. Imo nang huna2 nga dili mo donate kay selfish tingali ka.

[masakiton]

Federalism will only work if there is a very strong central government, which i believe we cannot have...

and oh.. how does it differ from our present government? if we are still going to have the same politicians running the situation..

Didn't I say that it is both the people and the system?

because people runs the system

-----this may somehow prove that the people running our system is the problem....not the system...