MERGED: FEDERAL DEMOCRACY: A solution to the sick country, the Philippines.

[bearish]

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Ha ha ha, dig deeper Bearish. Analyze closely, I'm not eliminating the driver here. Safety measure was just installed to avoid/minimize accident. Did I say corruption will be totally eliminated under federal? I didn't, it will be minimized. Ha ha ha, think out of the box, you.

What's to dig more BIGMAN? If the solution does not solve the problem, then that is not the correct solution. You may dig deeper yourself and be realistic. you're just blinded by your idea and seems you're mind is now closed to it.

[masakiton]

root cause sa problema = corrupt and incompetent government officials

federal system run by corrupt and incompetent government officials = same results

[wikki]

correction. Root Cause - stupid culture and greedy people, corruption is merely the result.

i voted No, Federal System run by insuffiently educated, crab minded and pratically stupid people (whatever the degree of educational backround, stupid is stupid) = same result.

[Rajzh_niX]

Then, what are we going to do with the people? Wait for them to change? Kill them all? Any suggestions?

Change will only create confusion......we just have to start with what we have now not to start again from scratch.....help each other than saying that our government needs change....abide with the laws as what it impose......be optimistic, cause sometimes we don't really notice how good it can get if we start with what we have....than being a pessimist saying that our government now won't be good and we need something new like federalism and change the whole system......

[Rajzh_niX]

The reckless driver does not follow traffic rules thats why he gets into trouble. changing to a different car would not matter if he continues not to follow the traffic eg. the blind curve sign should recall the driver to slow down. if we equate the driver as the people; the car is the system of government; and the rules as the constitution. the change of system of government would not matter with the same reckless mentality the people are. so the solution is to change the rules by not allowing reckless drivers to drive

i couldn't agree more.....no matter how much protection or modifications if the "driver" wants it his way, it will always be his.....the car is just a tool/equipment just like our government...naa ra jud na sa mupadagan....

[peewee_toot]

ok ra kaayu ng federalism oi. if ang problema ky if run by corrupt leaders, well, sale na sa mga tao fr voting that person. pagka...

[toting]

maglisod tag kopya sa progressive nga mga nasud, kay mismo ang culture
simpling balaod dili pa masunod.
nya nata mangandoi musunod sa mga dagkong nasud kon ma assess na ang ka disiplinado on every citizen..
but i voted yes, since the purpose is clear and aspiring.

[RMK711]

@Bigman

you cant just go on to my list and oppose these, you talked as if money grows on tree; buildings, power plants & other infrastructures will just grows out of of the ground; people will not be selfish; that people would just allow to be tax more; corruption can be easily prevented; that people would adjust (be good) with the new system; political dynasty would not be a problem; insurgencies would be solved; and our country would not be divided etc the world aint perfect you know.

We need a good economy or become a First World Country to be able to afford federalism and there is no proof (accdg to a study) that federalism would solve economic problem and poverty cause there is no direct positive relation between decentralization and economic growth.

how can you be sure that a certain branch of government would operate well with limited funds, even our current system had this problem what more if we increase our government officials and staffs who will pay them? federal state will more or less gonna pay the same amount for government services.. and how about those poor region or regions who are predominantly agriculture regions, they cant compete with those highly industrialized and commercialized states.. dont tell me businessmen will just invest on these poor states. had you been in Mindanao.. can you see a lot of chains of McDonalds, KFC, Pizza Hut,etc.. No, cause only few willing to invest on it. If cebu made this so far despite handing the capital a large stake of our tax money, why does the other regions and City make it with our current system?

I agree with you that federalism won't necessarily make the whole country richer, but there is evidence that it allows regions to prosper more than the capital. Manila and Luzon will probably suffer the most because they are so used to being subsidized by the rest of the country, but ultimately the best cities/regions with the best people will succeed. It's about fairness more than anything else. There's no question that Cebu has succeeded despite the odds stacked against us in the current system, but there's no doubt that more infrastructure and therefore more wealth, would accrue to Cebu if we didn't have to remit most of our money to Manila.

Secondly, there is a distinct level of bureaucratic inefficiency to centralizing things, all corruption money goes to Manila, making its politicians fat, arrogant and lazy. If you want to put up a BPO you have to not only secure local licenses, you have to go to Manila and get PEZA certification as well. I'd have to wonder where you got your information that federalism is more expensive than centralized. In Australia their GST is only 10%, our VAT is 12%. Their income tax is higher, but that's not because of federalism but rather because schooling is free until college, and even private schools are subsidized by the government.

Sure, federalism won't eliminate corruption, just take a look at Indonesia. But it allows corruption to be dispersed, and hence, the wealth to be dispersed as well rather than being concentrated in one area. Take a look at Bali in Indonesia and compare it with Cebu. They have it so much better than us, so many more tourists, that's because they have a lot of autonomy and the local people there are said to be better than the average Indonesian.

On what will happen to poorer provinces, I disagree. If what you say is true, then why do richer countries invest in poorer countries? Because labor will be cheaper. Thus, as some regions become richer, businesses will think of moving to the provinces to get cheaper labor. And since they don't have to deal with red tape from the national government, business is easier. What you say just doesn't make sense, the negatives you mention are already present in the current system. People in Cebu make a lot less money than people in Manila, hence we are poorer, so then why are Manila businessmen investing here? Surely you don't think it's because of our present system do you? This in my opinion has nothing at all to do with the topic whatsoever...

So in short it is mainly about two things: the first and most important being that of plain fairness, the second that of regional as opposed to capital city only development.

[masakiton]

Sure, federalism won't eliminate corruption, just take a look at Indonesia. But it allows corruption to be dispersed, and hence, the wealth to be dispersed as well rather than being concentrated in one area. Take a look at Bali in Indonesia and compare it with Cebu. They have it so much better than us, so many more tourists, that's because they have a lot of autonomy and the local people there are said to be better than the average Indonesian.

sir . unsa imo pasabot ani?? federal system ang indonesia?

Category:Federal countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
File:Map of federal states.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

sa ako nahibaw an ang malaysia ang federal dili ang indonesia

note:
before ang singapore is part sa malaysia which has federal system
pobre ang lugar... kadto under pa sila sa federal system
pero after na kick out sila sa country... diha sila na dato


its not the system but the people who runs the system

[peewee_toot]

its not the system but the people who runs the system

agree. very well said sir!