MERGED: FEDERAL DEMOCRACY: A solution to the sick country, the Philippines.

[RMK711]

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Initial planned of the group is to conduct an information drive. Go to schools, religious groups, youth, and to communities. Just like campaigning, explaining to the people why the country is like this. And suggest our solution, federalism. They should be a member of the group. We can do this by sector, Cebu, Bohol and all parts of the country. This should become a hot issue. Then, when majority of the people know and understand our cause here. We may a conduct a signature campaign to do a cha2. Or be a party list and have a seat in Congress. Party list group can have a maximum of 3 seats in Congress. They will file a bill for a federal Philippines. Or we can nominate one leader to run for President bringing our advocacy which is federalism. Take note ha, we already have the majority of the Filipinos who fully understand our advocacy. That's the time nga ma federal na ang Philipines.

Another party list group? no thnx. bai the party list is supposed to be intended for marginal groups, e.g. very poor people, but by some twist in interpretation at the S.C. they opened it up to all sorts of parties. There's already a few people like pimentel who are gunning for federalism why not help these people instead.

[bearish]

Initial planned of the group is to conduct an information drive. Go to schools, religious groups, youth, and to communities. Just like campaigning, explaining to the people why the country is like this. And suggest our solution, federalism. They should be a member of the group. We can do this by sector, Cebu, Bohol and all parts of the country. This should become a hot issue. Then, when majority of the people know and understand our cause here. We may a conduct a signature campaign to do a cha2. Or be a party list and have a seat in Congress. Party list group can have a maximum of 3 seats in Congress. They will file a bill for a federal Philippines. Or we can nominate one leader to run for President bringing our advocacy which is federalism. Take note ha, we already have the majority of the Filipinos who fully understand our advocacy. That's the time nga ma federal na ang Philipines.

I see. This is not happening sooner. But atleast, we are in the right track with your advocacy.

Just my two cents, that you might consider:

An example, ang usa ka kahoy kung imo bawgon ug diretso, ma bali kini. Para dili ma bali, kinahanglan imong hinayhinayon ug bawg. Same applies to this case.

My suggestion is: how about switching to federalism gradually? Those regions/provinces that can stand at their own already, pwede na sila mo assume full government of their own. While kato dili pa, agakon pa to sa central government until maka barog na sila sa ilang kaugalingon. Para dili ma bali ang kahoy.

[BIGMAN]

Lahi man gud jud ni ang asia.. kinahanglan jud isug ang presidente kai kung dili maglisud jud og disiplina sa tao ang lider. tanawa lang ang malaysia, singapore, taiwan og s. korea puro na sila ni agi og diktator. Kung parehas lang ta ka datu sa malaysia OK na kaayu na.. mas-realistic man nga target ang malaysia, kanang U.S.A. taas ra kaayu na nga target, dili na nato ma-abot. Di man gali kaya sa China nga kontrolado kaayu sa gobyerno ang tao, kita pa kaha nga chaos kaayu pagka-tao..

BTW ang malaysia under sa federal system na in fact ang singapura parte na sa malaysia federation sa katung una pa, pero ni-secede sila kai majority chinese man inya kontra man kaayu ang malay og chinese atong panahona.

You know what RMK711, before we are richer than Malaysia and Thailand. Now they had surpassed us because of sound economic policies, better infrastructure and good governance. That's what we need to do here in the country.

During the 1997 Asian Economic Crisis, Thailand was badly hit with it. Their economy was really really down. Majority of Thailanders lost their job. What the government do? They hired those people. They borrowed money from Worldbank and/or IMF. They build infrastructure, efficient road network, economic zones, power lines, telecommunications. All the pillars of developments, they had prepared while crisis is on going. Some officials are promoting the country to attract investors. After all infrastructures was done, investors flock to Thailand to do business there. And they recovered from that economic downturn. Same thing happens to Malaysia.

What the Philipines did? We voted Erap as our President in 1998 despite of the economic crisis Asian experienced during that time. Then, we suffered the results of ignorance of the majority of the Filipinos.

[bearish]

Another party list group? no thnx. bai the party list is supposed to be intended for marginal groups, e.g. very poor people, but by some twist in interpretation at the S.C. they opened it up to all sorts of parties. There's already a few people like pimentel who are gunning for federalism why not help these people instead.

+1. The best thing to do is to stay away from congress or senate. This sounds ironic, but this must be observed. To keep your advocacy always genuine. Mahugawan ang inyong maayong panglantaw kung mo duwa mo sa hugaw nga politika. Kung naa na nya mo seat sa congress, the story maybe a whole lot different.

[BIGMAN]

I see. This is not happening sooner. But atleast, we are in the right track with your advocacy.

Just my two cents, that you might consider:

An example, ang usa ka kahoy kung imo bawgon ug diretso, ma bali kini. Para dili ma bali, kinahanglan imong hinayhinayon ug bawg. Same applies to this case.

My suggestion is: how about switching to federalism gradually? Those regions/provinces that can stand at their own already, pwede na sila mo assume full government of their own. While kato dili pa, agakon pa to sa central government until maka barog na sila sa ilang kaugalingon. Para dili ma bali ang kahoy.

Yah, got your point here. But your concern is just a little problem. Based on Sen. Pimentel's proposal, states will be done by region to help those who can't stand yet on their own. I guess the country has 17 regions, so, that would 17 states. They will work together to develop their state. Example, region 7 which is composed of Cebu, Bohol, Negros and Siquijor. This is one state and will work hand in hand.

[BIGMAN]

Another party list group? no thnx. bai the party list is supposed to be intended for marginal groups, e.g. very poor people, but by some twist in interpretation at the S.C. they opened it up to all sorts of parties. There's already a few people like pimentel who are gunning for federalism why not help these people instead.

Part list is just of the options RMK. Which of those options stated you like.

[RMK711]

You know what RMK711, before we are richer than Malaysia and Thailand. Now they had surpassed us because of sound economic policies, better infrastructure and good governance. That's what we need to do here in the country.

During the 1997 Asian Economic Crisis, Thailand was badly hit with it. Their economy was really really down. Majority of Thailanders lost their job. What the government do? They hired those people. They borrowed money from Worldbank and/or IMF. They build infrastructure, efficient road network, economic zones, power lines, telecommunications. All the pillars of developments, they had prepared while crisis is on going. Some officials are promoting the country to attract investors. After all infrastructures was done, investors flock to Thailand to do business there. And they recovered from that economic downturn. Same thing happens to Malaysia.

What the Philipines did? We voted Erap as our President in 1998 despite of the economic crisis Asian experienced during that time. Then, we suffered the results of ignorance of the majority of the Filipinos.

Malaysia is the way it is mostly because of mahatir, if u ever heard the guy speak u'll know how smart he is, even though he is a racist he cares about his people a lot. malaysia is also lucky because it was a british colony, and they retained almost all the laws of their colonizers, including federalism. i dont think we can transition to federalism at all with the current leadership, you really need a dictatorship to transition to this system esp here in asia where most politicians just like to grandstand and look after their own interest. how can federalism pass when most senators and even the president stand to lose power, they will never support it. take a look at noynoy he even increased the pork barrel, that shows you how addicted these people are to money and power, no matter how they pretend they aren't.

[BIGMAN]

+1. The best thing to do is to stay away from congress or senate. This sounds ironic, but this must be observed. To keep your advocacy always genuine. Mahugawan ang inyong maayong panglantaw kung mo duwa mo sa hugaw nga politika. Kung naa na nya mo seat sa congress, the story maybe a whole lot different.

Party list is just one of the options.

[BIGMAN]

Malaysia is the way it is mostly because of mahatir, if u ever heard the guy speak u'll know how smart he is, even though he is a racist he cares about his people a lot. malaysia is also lucky because it was a british colony, and they retained almost all the laws of their colonizers, including federalism. i dont think we can transition to federalism at all with the current leadership, you really need a dictatorship to transition to this system esp here in asia where most politicians just like to grandstand and look after their own interest. how can federalism pass when most senators and even the president stand to lose power, they will never support it. take a look at noynoy he even increased the pork barrel, that shows you how addicted these people are to money and power, no matter how they pretend they aren't.

I heard about him. But we are richer than Malaysia before RMK. Before they prosper, Malaysia has undergone a series of bloody revolution. We are not in a hurry for a federal government. I know it can't be done hurriedly.

[BIGMAN]

the idea na mahimo ta pareho sa USA na First World is good, the question is kaya ba nato mahimong pareho sa US considering Third World country lang ta? where will we get the money? how to implement federalism? unsaon pagstart going to federalism? considering pag decide lamang for Cha2x lisod man gani. we can talk about advantages and disadvantages to what end... all i see mga taga Cebu lang ganahan ani kay kaya man nato ma-independent basing from income and infrastructure.

We can do it bro. It is a just a matter of correct sourcing and applications of funds. Funds that would go to the right projects. Projects that are job and income generating.