Help me decide if system is worth the price

[werty]

@erwin
d man siguro directly gisulti nmo na all amd products are bad but u have always have something about amd/nvidia setups. u often give out phrases which is against amd w/o any real evidence or real sources and just only based on personal assessment.

sakto kaayo si Powermove oh about sa imo. contradicting kaayo kag mga statements, but always has one thing in mind. "u jst hated amd" and thats it...

on this thread alone, wa pa gani nmo ma prove that "amd eats dust"--whatever u may want to mean by it....

[P0w3rM0v3]

im just sharing my first hand experiences and thats it. if i recommend intel over amd, does it mean i hate amd? if i hate amd, i wouldnt have bought and sempron 2400, athlon 3000+, athlon x2 5200, athlon x2 6000 and recommended phenom x4 to my friend. im just defending my statements with my 6-yr experience with different computers. intel setups served me better than amd setups. with the rma rates, im just sharing this as an fyi. its also my basis of my recommendations just like before where i tell people who ask my advice not to buy via chipsets for intel and amd because it has high rate of rma. its up to you to if you believe or not. and also, can you please give me a link to my post where i wrote that all amd products are bad? i really couldnt remember writing it.

you didn't just recommend intel bro, you added unnecessary comments like 'eat dust' or whatever. That's not the only comment you added btw. If you forgot, you don't have to look far; just skim over the posts u made on this thread. This isn't the only thread you made comments like that. Find the other threads you posted in as well. I'm sure u'll find a bunch.

A recommendation goes like this: "the Intel Q6000 is a good processor. It's affordable and should suit your needs."
Your comments go like this: "Amd eats Intel's dust..."

Again, if you think that's a good way to recommend to somebody then I suggest getting lessons on how to communicate better.

Also, I've also used AMD processors. I've never had a failure using them. NEVER. Maybe they failed because they were used in the coinslot environment. Again, this is not typical PC use. Typical desktop use is in the home or in the office, not as a coinslot PC where random people (who mostly don't know anything about computers and don't care too much on caring for them) just use them.

[erwin_rommel]

@erwin
d man siguro directly gisulti nmo na all amd products are bad but u have always have something about amd/nvidia setups. u often give out phrases which is against amd w/o any real evidence or real sources and just only based on personal assessment.

sakto kaayo si Powermove oh about sa imo. contradicting kaayo kag mga statements, but always has one thing in mind. "u jst hated amd" and thats it...

on this thread alone, wa pa gani nmo ma prove that "amd eats dust"--whatever u may want to mean by it....

kamo ray ga conclude nga i hate amd pero ako, i dont hate amd. mas satisfied lang lagi ko sa intel mao nang if naay mu ask og advise nako, intel akong i recommend. i not giving personal assessment but first hand experience. in athlon II x435 vs e8400 bench marks, athlon II is behind at applications that majority of users love and use, GAMES! and when your behind, you eat dust

[erwin_rommel]

you didn't just recommend intel bro, you added unnecessary comments like 'eat dust' or whatever. That's not the only comment you added btw. If you forgot, you don't have to look far; just skim over the posts u made on this thread. This isn't the only thread you made comments like that. Find the other threads you posted in as well. I'm sure u'll find a bunch.

A recommendation goes like this: "the Intel Q6000 is a good processor. It's affordable and should suit your needs."
Your comments go like this: "Amd eats Intel's dust..."

Again, if you think that's a good way to recommend to somebody then I suggest getting lessons on how to communicate better.

Also, I've also used AMD processors. I've never had a failure using them. NEVER. Maybe they failed because they were used in the coinslot environment. Again, this is not typical PC use. Typical desktop use is in the home or in the office, not as a coinslot PC where random people (who mostly don't know anything about computers and don't care too much on caring for them) just use them.

thanx for your recommendation, maybe next time i will use words like the first statement so that i wont hurt your feelings hehehe.
my pc's are very much abused. theyre used for piso2x environment. my frequency of replacing mouse or keyboards are in 2 or 3 months time(i use a4tech mouse and genuis keyboards and means theyre a bit durable, cdrking would last only for a month). maintenance, if maka kita nga grabe na gyud ka hugaw. lahi pa nang diritso rag ibot sa power inig di na gamiton. how come none of them failed or had problems like random restart?

[werty]

kamo ray ga conclude nga i hate amd pero ako, i dont hate amd. mas satisfied lang lagi ko sa intel mao nang if naay mu ask og advise nako, intel akong i recommend. i not giving personal assessment but first hand experience. in athlon II x435 vs e8400 bench marks, athlon II is behind at applications that majority of users love and use, GAMES! and when your behind, you eat dust

u just cant conclude a result with only jst one test... mao ni na your are nothing more than just personal assessments w/o even understandin whats involved... for example kani imo gusto ipasabot na e8400 vs aII X2 435 what is 10fps difference above 60 fps anyways? ana jud kahait imo mata to even notice this difference? lets not forget it took E8400 3.0Ghz & 6MB L2 cache to reach this results @ about P5000+ estimated cost, and aII X2 435 only nid 2.9Ghz and 1.5MB L2 cache @ P3,550 cost to obtain almost unnoticable difference in these graphs. what do you think the scores would be if i was to buy an AMD processor @ E8400 price level? "eat dust?" and these are just "some" games tested. wala pa gani ang mga games optimized for multi-thread cpu ani na graph...

[butitoy]

C2D E8400 cost about 9k bro

[erwin_rommel]

u just cant conclude a result with only jst one test... mao ni na your are nothing more than just personal assessments w/o even understandin whats involved... for example kani imo gusto ipasabot na e8400 vs aII X2 435 what is 10fps difference above 60 fps anyways? ana jud kahait imo mata to even notice this difference? lets not forget it took E8400 3.0Ghz & 6MB L2 cache to reach this results @ about P5000+ estimated cost, and aII X2 435 only nid 2.9Ghz and 1.5MB L2 cache @ P3,550 cost to obtain almost unnoticable difference in these graphs. what do you think the scores would be if i was to buy an AMD processor @ E8400 price level? "eat dust?" and these are just "some" games tested. wala pa gani ang mga games optimized for multi-thread cpu ani na graph...

it may be unnoticeable but its still faster. yes its not really a very big factor and i cant even notice any big difference with my q8400 and my e5300 when gaming but its not only on performance. plus i dont think new games will be utilizing the mutliple cores because an e5XXX is enough even with the newest games. graphics cards are more vital. new softwares and games are still not utilizing those multiple cores because very few possess those 3 or more cores. reliability and stability is also a big factor. and i can assure the stability and reliability of that e8400 setup.

[werty]

it may be unnoticeable but its still faster. yes its not really a very big factor and i cant even notice any big difference with my q8400 and my e5300 when gaming but its not only on performance. plus i dont think new games will be utilizing the mutliple cores because an e5XXX is enough even with the newest games. graphics cards are more vital. new softwares and games are still not utilizing those multiple cores because very few possess those 3 or more cores. reliability and stability is also a big factor. and i can assure the stability and reliability of that e8400 setup.

and again.. ur stating AMD is not stable and reliable? games not utilizing multiple cores? why do u think those E5xxx requires higher performance processors to see difference in graphs @ specific core speeds? doh! pabalik balik man lang tawn ka ug statement doh! aware man diay ka na the videocard card plays the important role in fps but u insisted mas paspas jud imo gipambato na E8400 w/0 including factors like "PRICE" and "EFFICIENCY"

ibutang lang lagi nato e8400 vs a same priced athlonII dual-core asa man kaha mas paspas in performance based sa imo graph gi sample? imagine if E8400 was sold @ 9000 as stated by butitoy, imagine the posibility sa setup when using AMD counterparts? imagine ur setup E8400+watever videocard vs AMD AII X2 240+watever videocard+difference of price (E8400-AII X2)-- i would be able to get a better videocard, higher quality psu, more memory, a better quality motherboard, etc etc etc...

[erwin_rommel]

and again.. ur stating AMD is not stable and reliable? doh! pabalik balik man lang tawn ka ug statement doh!

its stable and relaiable but intel is more stable and more reliable. amd had more issues compared to intel. it took me a month to solve the lag problem in dota in an internet cafe i was setting up before whose pc's were athlonx2 3800's. i really cant believe that it is very slow in dota because even a pentium 4 1.8 is enough to run the game smoothly. good thing ive discovered their dual core optimizer and it solved the problem. then heat issues, then the tlp bug according to sempron guy. in my 6yr exp with pc's ive encountered many busted amd procs while 1 encountered only 1 busted intel proc. though sometimes, amd procs may perform a bit faster (though i cant see a difference when im using it), intel never gave me issues.

[erwin_rommel]

and again.. ur stating AMD is not stable and reliable? games not utilizing multiple cores? why do u think those E5xxx requires higher performance processors to see difference in graphs @ specific core speeds? doh! pabalik balik man lang tawn ka ug statement doh! aware man diay ka na the videocard card plays the important role in fps but u insisted mas paspas jud imo gipambato na E8400 w/0 including factors like "PRICE" and "EFFICIENCY"

ibutang lang lagi nato e8400 vs a same priced athlonII dual-core asa man kaha mas paspas in performance based sa imo graph gi sample? imagine if E8400 was sold @ 9000 as stated by butitoy, imagine the posibility sa setup when using AMD counterparts? imagine ur setup E8400+watever videocard vs AMD AII X2 240+watever videocard+difference of price (E8400-AII X2)-- i would be able to get a better videocard, higher quality psu, more memory, a better quality motherboard, etc etc etc...

in this thread, the whole cpu with e8400 is sold for 12.5k bro, nalimot ka?