Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[schmuck]

Daghan man ism ism sa atong kalibutan karon.. pero I don't believe in all of them but Jesus Christ and the Bible.

Question bro, why do you believe what you believe?

[gshukaku]

Question bro, why do you believe what you believe?

cuz of FAITH bro, we believe on what we believe even u dont agree on what we believe.

[schmuck]

cuz of FAITH bro, we believe on what we believe even u dont agree on what we believe.

Ok its your faith. What bothers me is when people push this "faith" down other peoples throats(with accompanying threats pa jd)

case in point:

Faith Alone in Jesus Christ can save us from Hell, but it should be preceded and followed by repentance. - Paul Washer.

[gshukaku]

Ok its your faith. What bothers me is when people push this "faith" down other peoples throats(with accompanying threats pa jd)

case in point:

Then why are u bothering? just be it bro...just dont bother on our faith...peace!

[schmuck]

Then why are u bothering? just be it bro...just dont bother on our faith...peace!

Because its annoying.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

The word SCIENCE existed in 14th century while your pope first existed in 1st century... Sakto ka, naa ra ang tubag imong gi sulti, wala sila kaila ug dli gyud kaayo ni popular unlike Christianity.... How would everyone know if it's not known?

The pope today...

“Christ stresses that the gift received in him far surpasses Adam’s sin and its consequent effects on humanity”

–Pope Benedict, Paul VI Audience Hall, December 2008

Nobody would really know because like I said SCIENCE only existed as an idea and a word just lately when modern humans materialized it . pero we all know that maski ang BIGBANG pa ang basehan nato , it is already SCIENCE itself .

Yeah that's true and it also doesn't add up to the evidence that you should take the bible a metaphor, parable, fable or anything else... And of course, it also doesn't add up to the evidence that the bible was really true...

Remember the story on the RACE of the TURTLE and the HARE ? lets just put it that way na lang aron laymans term na gyud . At the end of the day ... we learn something from the bible and that shows also na dili man and will never be true na ga lumba ug dagan ang turtle and the hare . Makes sense now ? if you take note of the author of that story , he or she did not emphasized that the race is true but the logic behind it . That is what the Book of Genesis is also about for me .

Ang pangutana, ngano kinahanglan paman mo worship nga ikaw rman usa ginoo? ug ni ingon man ang ginoo wa nay laing ginoo siya ra gyud... So sa ato pa dli na logical nga magselos ka sa wala diha...

Hehehe bro ... same ra pod na sa asawa nimo or girlfriend , naa pa diay lain ? but you still keep on loving her right ?

Well, you didn't say it was in Canada, or even in Australia....

So ganahan ka inig ad2 sa mga tao anang lugara mahimo silang penguin (endemic species sa lugar) within a span of thousand years? mao na imong pasabot? Ayaw kalimte bro ha nga ang tao sa south pole, ni migrate ra ug wala sila gapuyo ngare for a million years sa ilang lifetime...

But you knew what I meant ... again LITERAL understanding will lead us to nowhere . By the way , how did you know na walay ga puyo didto ? Naa na diay excavation gi buhat sa mga areas na lugar where there is no known lifeform in modern times ? I am not saying na naa but then what if naa ?

Ha? Unsay mao na imong gipasabot? Ka layo ra ba aning tubaga...

You talked about what happened in a lifetime na naay naka vouch right ? Pero kinsay mo vouch man sa unsay nahitabo MILLIONS or BILLIONS of years ago ?

So it's not evolution for you? What would you call that then? A change in physical feature to adapt a certain climate change, unsa may tawag nimo ana?

Its not necessariliy EVOLUTION . Ive know NAVY SEALS na all their careers was spent on ANTARCTICA and these are very people who was born and grew up in a tropical climate country .

Dli kana evolution bro, mao kanay nasunog ang panit kung ang americano mamuwa mainitan kay wala man kaayo ni silay melanin... So ang tawag ana sunburn... lol...
Lahi katong akong example bro kay it includes BONE, MUSCULAR and PHYSICAL FEATURES...
Try daw ug ad2 ug North pole ug mo kalit ba ka squat imong body... layo ra kaayo imong sample...

That is ADAPTATION and not EVOLUTION lage . SUnburn at first , nakakita na ba ka sa panit sa kano who was living in the Philippines for more than 10 years na ? DI na sila madutlan ug sunburn unless magbuwad sila sa init kay ang ilahang panit ni brown na pod pero pabalika na sila sa US , di ba mo puti na sila balik in time pod . Di ba skin is part of human body where physical feature is based from na kausaban ?

I'm not a scientist nor a researcher, but by just looking and analyzing backed up by evidence, you would obviously get the answer...

Yes it may not look certain to you, but again, it won't add up to the evidence of your bible...

I agree with that but then dili pa man pod certain ang SCIENCE kay FINDINGS ra man na , dili man na CONCLUSION . Maski naa pa na evidence , it could be wrong . Suma kadaghan specie na thought of na extinct na but unsay nahitabo ? Ni gawas balik right kay research sa science na extinct na sila . Pero ang conclusion nila wala pa kay UNEXPLORED pa man .

lol... wa gyud diay gihapon ka kasabot... hahaha... Yes naa pay buaya, snake, isda, elephants, birds, etc, NATURAL, nganong nakaingon man ka nga kinahanglan sila mawagtang?... Natural nga wala nay dinosaurs kay namatay naman sila... Dinosaurs wouldn't survive sa ilang kadagko, they need enough oxygen... sad to say gamay na ang oxygen content sa earth unlike before the age of dinosaurs...

Mao man na ang mahitabo MILLIONS or BILLIONS of years later kay ma extinct ra pod sila or ni evolve na sila so ang point nako ... backed up by your logic , dili na sila mawala kay they stopped evolution . Ni ingon man ka na ang na there is constant evolution .

Nganong wa may resemblance?

Humans share the same kind of diseases to animals but not all... another proof of evolution...

Nganong naka sulti man ka kung dli pa, dli nato sila ancestors?

I got what you are thinking.... Unhan nlang tika... A part of a gene pool mutates and changes for the better (and remember, mutation does not necessarily mean; for the better) , does not mean that automatically the rest of the gene pool must die out - although sometimes it does because the better apt mutated species get hold of natural resources and starves the ill apt species but often it does not die out, and hence the diversity of species.

You could just as well have asked "since we all descend from a single cell organism, why are there still single cell organisms?

And that question would be equally dumb

Meaning wala ni evolved ang cells ? Of all na angay mo evolve unta di ba ang cells ?

Bro, it's not just a theory, but a SCIENTIFIC THEORY... Kahibaw ba ka unsay agian sa scientific theory?

Bro ayaw kalimte nga ang Theory of Evolution is both a Theory and a FACT...

When scientists say "evolution is a fact" they are using one of two meanings of the word "fact". One meaning is empirical, and when this is what scientists mean, then "evolution" is used to mean observed changes in allele frequencies or traits of a population over successive generations.

Another way "fact" is used is to refer to a certain kind of theory, one that has been so powerful and productive for such a long time that it is universally accepted by scientists. When scientists say evolution is a fact in this sense, they mean it is a fact that all living organisms have descended from a common ancestor (or ancestral gene pool) even though this cannot be directly observed. This implies more tangibly that it is a fact that humans share a common ancestor with other primates.

Sa laktod na storya bro ... MUGNA2 ra lage . No matter how acepted it is but if its not directly observed , walay conclusion mahitabo jud .

Yes sakto ka DNA technology sa 70s pa, pero it gathered more and more and more EVIDENCES for EVOLUTION.... And it doesn't mean na bisag nagsugod 70s ang DNA technology, it will not be a good basis for evolution... unsa may imong point ani imong "70s pa"? lol...

Na sa cge ug gather ug evidences , mangamatay na lang ang ga research ana walay conclusion gihapon . It may conclude something but trust me , not in the enar future and as long as missing na ang one of the critical procedures of SCIETIFIC RESEARCH , it will not be certain . Definitely naya conclusion jud mahitabo , it could be sakto ka or sakto ko , we wont know pareho ta sayop or sakto . Hoping pod na buhi pa ang iSTORYA.net by then .

Did you say SALIDA? and you considered it as a fact? lol...

Well it is a basis sa movies , have you been to the APPALACHIAN MOUNTAINS ? Ive never been there but ive seen documentries about it and its inhabitants . That is a FACT . One thing ang EXIT was a type hehehe , I meant EXIST and that is the logic behind the BIRDS , CROCODILES and FISHES and why do they have to exist unya ang DINOSAURS dili na . Same ra pod na sa HUMAN BEINGS ... kung ni evolved na sila from something , ngano wala na man ang mga " ancestors " nato ?

Then?

That when you strip AMD FAN's skin , you share the same blood color / type / genes / etc of those I mention because we are all HUMAN BEINGS .

Dogs are known for adapting wide ranges of diet tungod na sa ilang physical features because they descended from wolves which is known to be carnivores... And again, dogs are carnivores and even omnivores....

Kung ang imo palang gi testingan ang kabayo ug mahimo ba silang carnivore.... kana nuon...

Same ra pod na sa tao bai ... ang skin sa negro mao black kay it protects them from ultra violet rays , sa kabayo wala man sila fangs and their teeth are design from chewing/gnating and not ripping .

Bro, concluded nana siya... Yes it is not ended kay nag evolve pman ang tanan... natural, unsaon pagkahuman?

Dli na maoy meaning sa conclusion bro... wa ka mo sulti unsay ma end... ang gpasabot unsay ma end is ma human na ug justify or nahumana pag identify... dli kay kinahanglan ma human ang tanang ebidensya...

Just like for example... ang observer nakakita atong usa ka tao nga ni dagan... sa ato pa before pa mka conclude nga ni dagan gyud to siya, kinahanglan mo hunong pa to syag dagan? ka paet pud...

Natural , ana ang pag justify kay diha nimo masukod ang real world events baga otherwise ang conclusion na gipasabot nimo mugna2 ra .

So you're thinking that kung wa pa ni exist ang bible, walay science?

Then? would it add up to your evidence?

No it wont add up to my evidence because I am not here to prove anything , I am here to show you how I look into na both has to co exist . of course different discipline mao mo contradict sa logic nimo . One relies on research and one points out on something that it nees to be understood in tandem with science and not literally .

Okay para nimo dli literal... Okay wa nay mo question nimo nga in harmony ang bible ug science kay para nimo dli literal ang bible... But again, there's no single evidence, that the writings from the bible were true.... There's no evidence that the writer really did write it for the word of a true GOD... that's my point...

So tungod lng sa gospels nga wa ta kaila kinsay ga suwat, na convince na dayon ka...
Tungod lng sa unearthed cities nga gi describe sa bible nga natural lang kay did2 man kani gi suwat ug natural lng nga kahibaw sila aning lugara kay mao man pud ning panahona sa pag suwat... na convince na dayon ka? Unya wa ka na convince sa writings about greek gods nga naay nakuswat nga unearthed cities?

Wala ko na convince but ni tuo ko . na convince means , skeptic ka then ni tuo ka . Believer man ko daan on both . Unlike sa gipasabot nimo na naay explanation ang science about BIGBANG , DINOSAURS , our ANCESTORS etc na wala man sila anang panahona to witness it unlike sa mga authors sa bibliya na naa sila anang panahona to live and breath s akung unsay gi suwat nila so kung di ka ganahan na tawgon na ug " fable , parable " or whatever , pwede gamiton nato ang word na CHRONICLES ??

Yeah it is not a miracle cause there's no such thing as miracle for me...

Well I am not here to convince you hehehe .

Absolutely...

And it doesnt at all add up na sayop ang or dili tinuod ang bible .

Again bro, ari ra jud ni nimo makita sa mga catholic websites about aning ilang mga "scientist" kuno...

Alangan man ug sa SCIENCE WEBSITES ibandera ang mga ni flop na researches sa scientist / science . Afterall its a theist thing .

Again bro, ari ra jud ni nimo makita sa mga catholic websites about aning ilang mga "scientist" kuno...
Give me names of those scientists...

You probably know who these scientist are unless wala ka ni google sa LANCIANO EUCHARISTIC MIRACLE which I believe you did . They are :

- Prof. Ruggero Bertelli
- Prof. Odoardo Linoli

They are the forerunners of the research assited by numerous other scientist .

[schmuck]

LANCIANO EUCHARISTIC MIRACLE
na verify na ba ni?

Also, I though transubstantiation was "in spirit" only. Whats the point of literally having the host turn to meat?

Does the DNA match to that of someone of middle-eastern descent?

[darryl]

ok,, i beleive in the bible ,.. Bible is the wisdom of GOD, Science is the wisdom of man,,

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

LANCIANO EUCHARISTIC MIRACLE
na verify na ba ni?

Also, I though transubstantiation was "in spirit" only. Whats the point of literally having the host turn to meat?

Does the DNA match to that of someone of middle-eastern descent?

That is beside the point . Since I am not here to convince any of you guys because the transformation occured 12 centuries ago and walay maka vouch na buhi pa karon so that is a given , what I am trying to say is , ni abot ra pod ang time na HANDS UP and SURRENDER ang SCIENCE and I am not speaking in behalf of all the SCIENTIST but then the very people who conducted the study were experts and qualified to do the research .

The research , hough happened in the 70's man pod pero they already have the technology that time na similar on what can be done today using the same process kaso FLOP man .

They cant explain why the 12 century old piece of MUSCLE TISSUE was still intact like it was just taken out of the human body recently but SCIENCE itself confirmed the age of the muscle tissue . maski di na lang ta mag lalis kung si Jesus Christ ba gyud to , was it really from the altar bread or if na match ba na siya sa of any middle -eastern descent etc . Kana na lang ngano wala siya ma agnas / malata / matunaw etc .

Lastly ... I am in no position also vouch anything since I only saw the flesh and never touched it either . It might be pointless but it should make more sense if ang inyong i question is kadtong 2 ka SCIENTIST na akong gi provide who did the study and ask them how they conducted the study . Basin diay ug sila aug sayop , hey we are HUMANS afterall , subjected to errors hehe .

By the way ... that is only 1 of the AUTHENTIC EUCHARISTIC MIRACLES of the hundreds of incidents recorded and validated by both SCIENCE and VATICAN .

[schmuck]

That is beside the point . Since I am not here to convince any of you guys because the transformation occured 12 centuries ago and walay maka vouch na buhi pa karon so that is a given , what I am trying to say is , ni abot ra pod ang time na HANDS UP and SURRENDER ang SCIENCE and I am not speaking in behalf of all the SCIENTIST but then the very people who conducted the study were experts and qualified to do the research .

The research , hough happened in the 70's man pod pero they already have the technology that time na similar on what can be done today using the same process kaso FLOP man .

They cant explain why the 12 century old piece of MUSCLE TISSUE was still intact like it was just taken out of the human body recently but SCIENCE itself confirmed the age of the muscle tissue . maski di na lang ta mag lalis kung si Jesus Christ ba gyud to , was it really from the altar bread or if na match ba na siya sa of any middle -eastern descent etc . Kana na lang ngano wala siya ma agnas / malata / matunaw etc .

Lastly ... I am in no position also vouch anything since I only saw the flesh and never touched it either . It might be pointless but it should make more sense if ang inyong i question is kadtong 2 ka SCIENTIST na akong gi provide who did the study and ask them how they conducted the study . Basin diay ug sila aug sayop , hey we are HUMANS afterall , subjected to errors hehe .

By the way ... that is only 1 of the AUTHENTIC EUCHARISTIC MIRACLES of the hundreds of incidents recorded and validated by both SCIENCE and VATICAN .

Still not convincing. Even if it was proved to come from human flesh, it doesn't say anything about a host turning to flesh. It could very well have come from some poor slob'ss corpse from the nearby cemetery.
There are many types of preservation techniques so that can explain nganung wala cya nalata.