Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

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Sa ato pa bro ug dli nimo e-take literally ang bible, dli gyud diay literal nga nabuhi si jesus? Asa may pwede e-literal diay ana? Wala may gisulti ang bibliya nga anhi dapita literal ni siya unya dri pud dli... Unsa mn gyud diay ang gi sulti sa bibliya gi unsa ta pag himo?

Ok ingon ani ni . Sa beliefs sa Christians , obviously tinuod si Jesus mao bitaw Christian hehehe but are you familiar with the fables ? The miracles ? Ikaw na lang figure .

dli gyud diay magkahiusa ang Christians sa pag interpret sa bibliya...

True and you are right ! Some denominations interpret it literally sad .

Ngano na abot man ka ug babies bro? wa man ko nag hisgot ug babies... hehehe...

Dili ba ikaw nag mention about mga tao karon tag-as kumpara sa una ?

[quote]Bro, hunahunaa pag ayo... wala jud diay ka kasabot sa evolution... naa ray mausab sa usa ka feature sa creature bro kung mo evolve kini for like thousands of years... [/quoe]

So if ni evolve ta from apes , igo ra ni erect ang posture nato unta ... ang balahibo ug shape sa skull nagpabilin ra unta . Mao na pasabot nimo ?

Bro again, we are talking MILLIONS OF YEARS... dli na mo largo ka puti ang negro ug maghisgot lng ka ug 100 years...

Of course mao gyud na ang leverage hehehe kay we wont witness and explain it man because that is not and will never be in our lifetime

Yes it is just partial... Unsa diay gusto nimo kanang naay science unya mka answer largo sa tanan unexplained things? mura nka ug si superman ana... Mao gusto lng ka sa bibliya kay naay answer pero way ebidensya? Mao ganing ang science is also evolving collecting facts that hopefully would complete all the puzzle... Tabla rag ni ingon ka nga kinahanglan unta pag imbento sa sakyanan, ni largo ug sports car...

Yes why not !! Gi imbento ang sportscar s auna pa ... around the same time gi imbento ra pod ang automobiles . nagka paspas lang karon and nagkamahal . Anyhoo , what I meant sa partiality of the SCIENCE murag iro ba . Wala gani na papers ang iro nimo , consider it as not pure breed so uncertain ka sa iyahang pedigree . The moment gani walay conclusion pod , dont be too certain yet .

Again bro, science, logic and commonsense already identified that some of the bible's writings isn't real... Gae kuno kog example sa genesis nga pwede ma investigate using science?

Again .... figure it out sa ORGANIC FARMING .

Ayaw e-compare atong na photoshop unya gi identify through science bro kay wala ra bay pictures sa bibliya bro, pulos lng kani suwat...

Sama ra pod na sa tanan gi basehan sa SCIENCE unsay nahitabo 4.6 BILLION YEARS ago . Maski betamax wala pa ana na time .

[orcgod]

time out sa sa lalis, watch sa mo video sako post sa Science Thread.
https://www.istorya.net/forums/scienc...ml#post7808088

[AMD_fan]

Ok ingon ani ni . Sa beliefs sa Christians , obviously tinuod si Jesus mao bitaw Christian hehehe but are you familiar with the fables ? The miracles ? Ikaw na lang figure .

Ikaw mo figure out? ka kuyaw ani... bantug ra daghan kaayo denominations and christianity... Bisag sa mga pari sa mga katoliko mag lalis pa ani... Sauna panahon agree nga literal jud ang bible pero pag abot sa science nga ni anam2x na pag contradict sa bible, na himo na nuong fables ang uban...

True and you are right ! Some denominations interpret it literally sad .

So para nimo gi unsa pag himo ang tao kung dli pa literal ang genesis?

Dili ba ikaw nag mention about mga tao karon tag-as kumpara sa una ?

Uu pero I'm not talking about babies being taller now... what I mean is kung asa kutob gitason ang mga tao... hehehe..

So if ni evolve ta from apes , igo ra ni erect ang posture nato unta ... ang balahibo ug shape sa skull nagpabilin ra unta . Mao na pasabot nimo ?

Ngano mahabilin man? Naa mn puy natural selection...
Ako ra gi explain ang process sa pag evolve sa usa ka part... Mo adapt mn pud na sa imong lihok...
pareha ana imong tudlo sa tiil, kana gamit kaayo na sa mga unggoy kay mura pud na ug kamot ang ilang tiil para katkat kahoy unya na dugay ni evolve sa mga tao nga ni gamay ang tudlo sa tiil kay wa na mana gamit, mo walk naman ta upright... what do you think unsay gamit sa tudlo sa tiil sa mga tao if designed pa na? How about atong tailbone, unsay nganong ingon ana gihapon na ug porma? How about imong totoy? ug gi design pa na sa ginoo nga ni ingon iyang gi una ug himo ang lalake, unsay gamit sa totoy?

Yes why not !! Gi imbento ang sportscar s auna pa ... around the same time gi imbento ra pod ang automobiles . nagka paspas lang karon and nagkamahal . Anyhoo , what I meant sa partiality of the SCIENCE murag iro ba . Wala gani na papers ang iro nimo , consider it as not pure breed so uncertain ka sa iyahang pedigree . The moment gani walay conclusion pod , dont be too certain yet .

The first sports car was in 1934 and the first automobile was invented in 1672... ka layo ra... hehehe...

Pero bro ayaw kalimte nga ang evolution is accepted both a theory and a fact... Like sa genetics, dli gyud na nimo mabuwag sa evolution.... and it's still not certain for you?

Unya para nimo mas certain pa ang wa ta kaila kinsay ga suwat, panahon pa sa pag uso sa religion ang pag suwat ug wala gyuy ebidensya bisag gamay man lang...

Again .... figure it out sa ORGANIC FARMING .

How would it relate?

Sama ra pod na sa tanan gi basehan sa SCIENCE unsay nahitabo 4.6 BILLION YEARS ago . Maski betamax wala pa ana na time .

Sakto ka... pero naa may ebidensya nga makita nimo... dli pareha sa bibliya nga pulos lng suwat nga walay ikapakita...

[jet]

Bro, daghan mga tao nga mag hallucinate abi nila normal lang...

lol?? sure ka?? diin naman sad ka ana? HAHA kung tao abi nila normal rana, sa ato pa, daghan na ayo tao nga ga hallucinate wala ni seek ug doctor? pag sure dira bro. O_O ikaw? ga hallucinate lugar ka karon? kay normal raman kaha na. hahahahah ayg patakag yaw yaw dira. asa man ka gikan anang fact?

Hahaha... Abi kay ma search nimo sa google nga naay evidence, as if accepted evidence na without questioning if it's a hoax? lol... Tanawa mga evidence sa bigfoot sa google, makita pud nimo ug mga evidence sa mga aliens naa pud na sa google, so absolute truth nana?

hahah nya as if proven nasad na ang evolution? so sa ato pa... kung "akong evidence" para mu support sa akong beliefs.. hoax ni? nya ang imu nga mu support ug science.. sakto? HAHAHA nya mu ingon ka ug unbiased logic ka? loooool. look yourself in the mirror first.

mao na dira, imu imu ranang judgment ug opinion.
mas unbiased pa day ko nimo kay wa jd ko ni claim nga hoax na ang science ug etc. bsag karon ga study pasad ko ana. pero ni ingon ra ko sa ako na experience ug beliefs. mao ra. nya ikaw kay judgment dayon nga ay hoax mani akong mga ebidensya. loool unbiased logic pa kaha ka? hahaha

1. Mao bitaw kinahanglan adunay ebidensya para makahibaw ta ug nag istorya baka ug bakak...
2. Ikaw ray kahibaw anang revelation (hallucination and delusions)
3. Mao diay diehard kaayo ka sa imong religion kay abi nka basa naka sa Clarifying Christianity lol... katawan ra na ilang mga "SCIENTIFIC kuno" nga mga ebidensya... lol... Sobra pa sa research ako bro, try pud ni nga website: No Answers in Genesis

as what ive said again in the other thread. not everything in the world ma tagaan nimu ug ebidensya.. bsag iwala pana nimu ang Ginoo2x.. general ni. dili na ma prove tanan. naa juy aspects of life nga dili mapahimu ug ingon ana nga agian. like katong gi example nimo. unsaon nimu pag prove beh nga nahulog ka sa jeep thousands of years ago sa imung grand grand children?
hahah mao na dira cge kag ingon be open minded. ikaw mismo close minded na gani ayo ka. diin man ka ug bases nga kani nga evidence hoax ni? nya asa man imung proof nga imung evidence sakto na?

sobra pa sa research nimo? LOL.. hahaha so maayo na day ayo ka ug knowledge sa science ron? nya dawbi kung binotbot rana gipang sulti dira sa site? sobraan sad kag kuha ug false info? LOL

di rana sa research bro... research + experience in real life + experiment + verification na... so imung gi base tanan gikan lang sa imung research. O_O

ako ra btaw khbaw anang revelation kay naka experience man ko. which is wala ka ka experience mao na para nimu "hallucination". lol.

naa nasad ka anang MAYBE dli na accurate... naa man gani kay maybe so dli gyud diay ka sure...

maybe dili accurate ang version, SURE ko nga naay nahapen. sabta gud akong point. O_O. mao gani cause and effect dba? can there be an effect without a cause?

Ang pangutana lage nganong nakahibaw ka nga nag istorya sila sa tinuod? Gi himo gud na ang bibliya for the sake of religion, they even borrowed ancient texts of roman gods and goddesses like the story of moses nga pwerte pakga kopya... lol...

hayy.. kapila man kog cgeg balik? gi ingna tika.. naka experience lage ko. mao na tinuod ni para nako. gets? dili ra tungod naka basa ko bible tuo dayon ko. as ive said before, roman cathollic ko before, na expose nako anang mga practises nila mga roleplay2x nila sa church. athest man lage ghapn ko beh? UNTIL na experience nako ang Ginoo sa 2005. dira na jd ko ni tuo naa jd.

nya ikaw sad mu react ka kay wala man ka ka experience. mao nay mu declare ka nga hallucinations ni. gets? maypa ko khbaw ko sa imung point. ikaw naka kuha kaha ka sa akong point? lol

Again, please read your history books why it survived for years... Naa pay mas tiguwang ana imong bibliya, ayaw kalimte... Ug mao man gani nang padugayay ang timailhan sa tinuod, pilde nana imong bibliya... na daug na si Krishna ug si Shiva sa imong ginoo...

lol. ni ingon day ko nga di na tinuod c shiva? ako raman gi point out sa sugod pa jd nga FIRST thread pa jd.. nga "there is a God".
ni claim bah diay ko nga "akong ginoo sakto ni mao ra jd ni inyo sayop na?" ni ana bah ko? ni point out ra ko bsag basahon pa nimu ang first nga thread, "i beleve there is a Creator". mao rana. naay Ginoo bah. sabta sa gud na.
awa pa page 97 aning thread. scroll your page to the middle. ako gi butang kay

"i believe there is a "Creator". kung di mu mu tuo bible or islam or buddhist or unsa man nga religion.. bsag unsaon pana. di jd ko convince nga miraculously naa na dayon tah poof! like kalit lang bigbang poof! nya naa dayon universe poof! nya naa dayon earth poof! nya flora and fauna poof! nya oxygen poof! etc etc..
we are not accidents.. we are made by a certain creator.
mura rana mu ask ka.. nganu naay buildings? nganu naay cities? nganu naay cellphone.. nganu naay computer? nganu naay car.. nganu naay books.. etc etc.. dont tell me after millions and billions of years mu evolve mga things to these.. no no no.. humans made these things.. we humans are the creator.
nya unsa pa kaha kung kita, we are more complex than material things.. we are more special than the world's best super computer.. we are a "miracle". nya all these without a Creator? no no. Sorry but im really not convince there is no Creator.. don't get me wrong, i love science.. but there is really a God. "

mao na ako pasabot! ni ingon day ko ang God nako kay mao na jd ni, inyo tanan sayop na?
infact ni reply ko nimu nga if mu reveal na c shiva nako for real, mu tuo ko real cya. dba? sabta sa gud. O_O

lain lain tao lahi ilang pag perceive sa ginoo. pero ang point, naa clay "Ginoo" bah. mao na.

ikaw... hehehe... peace..

pag sure dira, wa jd koy nakig kontra nimu anang evidence, proofs, ug common sense. O_O awa. pataka ra jd kag conclude. no wonder.

[schmuck]

Kung muingon ko'g nisturya akong iro nako. Most likely ingnon ko nga ga-hallucinate ko or naa koi mental condition. Pero naa lagi nag hisgot og bitin nga mustorya, dili lagi dudahan kung ga hallucinate ba tong taohana. hmm...

[FAQ]

Hmmm... talking about hallucinations... bit of an OT, but here you go...

Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher

High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God deliver the Ten Commandments, an Israeli researcher claimed in a study published this week.

Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times, Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem wrote in the Time and Mind journal of philosophy.

"As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics," Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday.

Moses was probably also on drugs when he saw the "burning bush," suggested Shanon, who said he himself has dabbled with such substances.

"The Bible says people see sounds, and that is a clasic phenomenon," he said citing the example of religious ceremonies in the Amazon in which drugs are used that induce people to "see music."

He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil's Amazon forest in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Shanon said.

He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible.

Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher

[jet]

Kung muingon ko'g nisturya akong iro nako. Most likely ingnon ko nga ga-hallucinate ko or naa koi mental condition. Pero naa lagi nag hisgot og bitin nga mustorya, dili lagi dudahan kung ga hallucinate ba tong taohana. hmm...

sa ato pa, you don't believe in miracles brad? (not referring to your iro and bitin topic.)
miracles. general.

[necrotic freak]

Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher

High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God deliver the Ten Commandments, an Israeli researcher claimed in a study published this week.
Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times, Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem wrote in the Time and Mind journal of philosophy.

"As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics," Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday.

Moses was probably also on drugs when he saw the "burning bush," suggested Shanon, who said he himself has dabbled with such substances.

"The Bible says people see sounds, and that is a clasic phenomenon," he said citing the example of religious ceremonies in the Amazon in which drugs are used that induce people to "see music."

He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil's Amazon forest in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Shanon said.

He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible.


Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher

^^hehehe. its not Moses but this researcher do drugs.

[schmuck]

sa ato pa, you don't believe in miracles brad? (not referring to your iro and bitin topic.)
miracles. general.

religious miracles? nope.

[jet]

Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher

High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God deliver the Ten Commandments, an Israeli researcher claimed in a study published this week.

Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times, Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem wrote in the Time and Mind journal of philosophy.

"As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics," Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday.

Moses was probably also on drugs when he saw the "burning bush," suggested Shanon, who said he himself has dabbled with such substances.

"The Bible says people see sounds, and that is a clasic phenomenon," he said citing the example of religious ceremonies in the Amazon in which drugs are used that induce people to "see music."

He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil's Amazon forest in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Shanon said.

He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible.

mao ning example of "proofs" kunohay nga para ni AMD_Fan sakto kay ni support man sa science.
di ko mu judge nga hoax ni. inyo man sad ning pagkatuo.

parehas rana sa ako nga lain sad akong tuohan dba?
nya if mu hatag ko niya ug proofs sad para mu support sa akong beliefs like
"http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/creation.shtml"
para nya hoax dayon kay support man sa akong beliefes. haha. O_O am i correct AMD_fan? i hope im wrong