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  1. #111

    Quote Originally Posted by devnull View Post
    where in my post did i blame the pcos machine? i'm a software engr by profession and i'm probably more forgiving of the pcos than most anyone here is. yes it "could" be human error (i'm assuming we are talking about under-shading & over-shading here) but you missed the point entirely. if this has been just a few hundred thousand votes then it would been moot or if binay's lead is wide enough. the issue of disenfranchisement in an election is a big deal (automated or not) specially in this case where the count is in the millions (2.6-3M). it's inconsequential with respect to the presidential race but it could very well be a game changer on the vice-presidential race.

    this human error you talk of is not an error in real sense of the word. it's an unfortunate result of the automation process. the voter (the human) did not make a mistake. again i'm talking about over/under shading here. over-voting & under-voting could very well be a mistake. in the latter it could be intentional or unintentionally missed, not mistakes but whatever the case maybe they could not be resolved coz we are not psychics. in the case of under/over shading the intention of the voter can clearly be determined by us humans, it's just that the pcos machine was not able to figure it out. since it has the potential to change the outcome of the vice-presidential race then it's only proper that it be taken into account. that there is the point. i hope it's clear enough.

    +++++1

  2. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by ********r View Post
    from wikipedia wiki
    Jejomar Binay PDP-Laban 14,645,574 41.65%
    Mar Roxas Liberal 13,918,490 39.58%

    So there is a difference of 727,084 votes! Pwede!!! Basin makadaug pa diay! Morag recount sa florida where GW. Bush won over Al Gore! hehehe!
    pwedeng-pwede talaga lalo na kung iisiping ang pinakamadaming bilang ng null votes ay galing sa mga teritoryo na malakas si Mar

  3. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by fanatic_me View Post
    +++++1
    magaling si devnull lol

  4. #114
    FILIPINOS are entitled to know the truth about those null votes. With all the complaints of irregularities documented during the last elections involving the automated system itself (e.g. the PCOS machines, the CF Cards, the ballots), why should we take Smartmatic and Comelec’s word that these null votes are the result of voters not having voted for any VP candidate, or resulted from an undershaded oval beside the VP Candidate’s name, or overvoting – meaning thes voters vote for more than the These PCOS machines are hardly perfect, and may have mistakenly not counted appropriately filled out ballots.
    What’s suspicious is that those null votes where significantly huge in areas where Jojo Binay led the VP count by at least 10 percent. These was evident in 3 regions alone. Also, in the Mindanao area, there was an unusually high turnout of voters in the ARMM provinces reaching over 90 percent, w/c was more than the national average of 70 percent. Ask any statistician and they will tell you that it’s statistically impossiblethat a candidate would just get zero or 1 vote, as what happened to Sen. MAR Roxas in the last elections. It’s deja vu all over again! Didn’t FPJ have this same problem when he ran in the 2004 presidential elections vs Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, and he too received zero votes exactly in these very same areas that Roxas has been lagging behind Binay?

  5. #115
    are you saying it might be another hello garci scandal?

  6. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by carlogambino View Post
    they will all be counted, either for mar or for binay. I'm not necessarily for MAr but i support his move to have the 3M null votes be reexamined to ascertain whether there are votes which were not read by the machines but could be accounted for manually
    well in case that null votes will favor mar roxas.. the 2010 election will in a way lose its crediblity and open a lot of suits for recount... una na si erap siguro hahahaiz...

  7. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by carlogambino View Post
    FILIPINOS are entitled to know the truth about those null votes. With all the complaints of irregularities documented during the last elections involving the automated system itself (e.g. the PCOS machines, the CF Cards, the ballots), why should we take Smartmatic and Comelec’s word that these null votes are the result of voters not having voted for any VP candidate, or resulted from an undershaded oval beside the VP Candidate’s name, or overvoting – meaning thes voters vote for more than the These PCOS machines are hardly perfect, and may have mistakenly not counted appropriately filled out ballots.
    What’s suspicious is that those null votes where significantly huge in areas where Jojo Binay led the VP count by at least 10 percent. These was evident in 3 regions alone. Also, in the Mindanao area, there was an unusually high turnout of voters in the ARMM provinces reaching over 90 percent, w/c was more than the national average of 70 percent. Ask any statistician and they will tell you that it’s statistically impossiblethat a candidate would just get zero or 1 vote, as what happened to Sen. MAR Roxas in the last elections. It’s deja vu all over again! Didn’t FPJ have this same problem when he ran in the 2004 presidential elections vs Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, and he too received zero votes exactly in these very same areas that Roxas has been lagging behind Binay?
    mar roxas like to save his repu but really its also like questioning whether noynoy aquino won the 2010 election..

    im not saying mar should not but i think we should just do a manual count of every votes na lng... para patas sa lahat..

  8. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by unsay_ngalan_nimo View Post
    well in case that null votes will favor mar roxas.. the 2010 election will in a way lose its crediblity and open a lot of suits for recount... una na si erap siguro hahahaiz...
    aw idunggan na lang pud ang recount for erap, villar ang gibo! hehehe! hahaha!!! But with PNoy's lead. bisan pa kung tanan null votes mahatag kay erap, di gihapon ka apas! hehehe vice presidency lang gyud ang daugon! hehehe!!!

    unsa kaha noh kung si Mar makadaog?

  9. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by ********r View Post
    aw idunggan na lang pud ang recount for erap, villar ang gibo! hehehe! hahaha!!! But with PNoy's lead. bisan pa kung tanan null votes mahatag kay erap, di gihapon ka apas! hehehe vice presidency lang gyud ang daugon! hehehe!!!

    unsa kaha noh kung si Mar makadaog?
    basin pag declare na c mar ang nakadaog usa nalang ka bulan nahabilin sa iyang term. hehehe

  10. #120
    hahaha morag unsay nahitabo kay martinez vs salimbangon! hehehe!!!

    louya ni tining. wa gyud intawon kalingkod, kay walay quorom.

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