The Universe - is it Created? or by Chance?

[Pein]

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The great FSM created this energy. jk

Seriously, I knew this was your next question. If you follow from my conversation with redhorse, the energy would come from a universe(take note, I am not referring to the expanded universe we are in now) that has always existed

unya unsa lagi ang cause sa energy to exist? ang energy man kaha ang hinungdan nganong ni exist ang matter. way tarong tubag?

correct me if im wrong ha, pero ang energy is compose of matter man siguro. sakto ba?

[robert_papalid_ece]

wrong. wrong. wrong.

Intelligence is not the end all, be all on the evolutionary race to success. Each and every animal today is as "evolved" as us. Evolutionary success is measured by how an organism is most suitable to the environment it is living in.
Tell me, can humans live under water like the crustaceans? No. You're reasoning is based on an assumption that evolutionary success is measured on intelligence. Which is wrong.

you might have taken it very literally bro... but the point was... we humans... has something... a gift that other animals don't have... it is our intelligence, our emotions, our belief, etc... if a monkey makes his own tools, and have some sign languages... and then consider it as intelligence... can you compare it to ours? if crustaceans can live underwater... does that make them more superior than us? we have subs! if cheetahs can run faster than humans... are they better species? we have F1s and jets!
forget the crustaceans... how bout monkeys, apes, elephants, rhinos, hippos, or at least one species... why is their intelligence haven't improved much like humans? they existed first (am i right? im not sure)... we lived in the same environment... their intelligence should have developed significantly close to that of humans...
walay ko'y nahibaloan nga mananap bro... nga naay duol-duol man lang ug kahibalo sa tawo... and could this happen again by chance/taghap/chamba/aksidente?
my quarter cents...

Creationists have been arguing before that this organic material can not be made from inorganic material. Now that it is done, gidownplay daun ang achievement. HOW TYPICAL

finally, i tried searching for some materials about this very famous synthetic cell which atheists are so proud about... and bumped into this news article, saying:

Venter and company synthesized the genome of the bacterium M. mycoides by taking short strains of DNA (contemporary machines can only assemble short sequences at a time) and inserting them into yeast, whose enzymes have a keen ability to repair DNA and combine the short strains together.

what is so impressive about this? i am not really an expert about genetics or these kind of stuffs... but i think i should be more thankful to the yeast than to Mr. Venter... we aren't discrediting Venter's achievement... it is just that... the news on the synthetic cell is indeed an exaggeration... really... that's how i see it... they created a synthetic genome... sure! which is by the way... just a "copy" to that of a certain natural bacteria... then injecting it to a cell... and Woolah! they claimed it as a synthetic cell! and concluded... it is a synthetic life! and further concluded... humans can create LIFE! this is my simple reason why i am not buying it... mao bitaw bro... nga huwat na lang tah... if naa ba juy next step ani... huwat lang tah... i mean... huwat lang mo... "FOR ME"...

Again, I state Occam's Razor. And you are still entitled to your own opinion.

yep bro... we have our own opinions... and i believe other animals don't have this kind of arguments... another proof of our way, way, way, way more advanced intelligence...

though i don't consider humans as animals, animalia, plantae, etc are just groups/categories invented by biologists i think for convenience in their classification of species... pero off-topic na siguro ug mu-argue pa mo ani... "FOR ME" ra bitaw...

[schmuck]

unya unsa lagi ang cause sa energy to exist? ang energy man kaha ang hinungdan nganong ni exist ang matter. way tarong tubag?

correct me if im wrong ha, pero ang energy is compose of matter man siguro. sakto ba?

The great FSM created this energy. jk

Seriously, I knew this was your next question. If you follow from my conversation with redhorse, the energy would come from a universe(take note, I am not referring to the expanded universe we are in now) that has always existed

soz... read again my reply.
and energy is not composed of matter, they are both different things.

[schmuck]

robert_papalid_ece, I facepalmed. Thank you.

[Pein]

soz... read again my reply.
and energy is not composed of energy, they are both different things.

ang cause napud sa energy nganong ni exist is ang universe napud? unya unsa man puy cause sa universe nganong ni exist mana?

[schmuck]

ang cause napud sa energy nganong ni exist is ang universe napud? unya unsa man puy cause sa universe nganong ni exist mana?

The great FSM created this energy. jk

Seriously, I knew this was your next question. If you follow from my conversation with redhorse, the energy would come from a universe(take note, I am not referring to the expanded universe we are in now) that has always existed

read again my reply

[Pein]

read again my reply

lagi...lagi...lagi...ang pangutana, unsay cause nganong ni exist ang universe? gikan man kaha sa universe ang energy? nikalit ra diay nag exist without any cause?

tsk tsk tsk!

[robert_papalid_ece]

robert_papalid_ece, I facepalmed. Thank you.

schmuck, I facepalmed you too. Thank you too.

[robert_papalid_ece]

maypa tan-aw ta'g ASAP ninyo... lingaw pa...

[schmuck]

lagi...lagi...lagi...ang pangutana, unsay cause nganong ni exist ang universe? gikan man kaha sa universe ang energy? nikalit ra diay nag exist without any cause?

tsk tsk tsk!

again, reading comprehension please.
Why would it need a cause if it always existed?