The Universe - is it Created? or by Chance?

[robert_papalid_ece]

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OT: heheheh... naa man sad ko opinyun nga akoa. di ba? ambot nganong niinit ning mga big bangers....hehehe

OT: sakto bai... iya2x man tag opinyon... ug naa man tay kaugalingong mga kagawasan asa ang dapat tuohan... pero hinay-hinay lng sa imong comments bai... basin initan ka nila... pareha nako sa una... pero karon... pass nako...

[bungot25]

Same way as you, lagpas para nimo but it makes sense for me. Same as evolution, though I understand this more, it just makes sense to me. Pero as usual, lagpas para nimo.

hmmm..so dili ka back up ani? matud pa ni Greene,
they are still workin on it? ang question when kaha
sila ka figure ug answer no? wonder lang ko when?
in a billion years? jus kiddin!

[schmuck]

hmmm..so dili ka back up ani? matud pa ni Greene,
they are still workin on it? ang question when kaha
sila ka figure ug answer no? wonder lang ko when?
in a billion years? jus kiddin!

The thought of knowledge waiting to be discovered, exciting isn't it?
More exciting that waiting for zombie Jesus

[redhorse1L]

But isn't this a mere assumption my friend?

That's the only plausible explaination we can have.
A Naturalistic view on the Origin of the Universe only arrives at a contradiction.

Please remember that we are not just talking here of the Universe's existence.
The fine-tuning of the Universe is massively complex that it is virtually impossible to happen by
chance.
The existence of life from a lifeless chemicals cannot be explained by mere science.

All these and more cannot be explained by naturalistic point of view.
If you don't have a valid naturalistic reason, then how can you believe that the Universe existed from nothing and by chance?

[redhorse1L]

YouTube - The Search For Hidden Dimensions - Brian Greene, RDF TV
skip to 5:07 if you are pressed for time.

Not only is there no evidence, the physics of our own universe requires that we will never be able to obtain any evidence about any other universe (even if it does exist).
How can we look beyond our space-time dimension? It would take a God for us to do that.

From a secular website:
"Such beliefs are without hard physical evidence and must therefore be considered unfalsifiable, currently outside the methodology of scientific investigation to confirm or disprove, and therefore more mathematically theoretical and metaphysical than scientific in nature."
http://lifeorigin.org/rul_disc.htm

Note that neither the multiverse hypothesis nor the "God hypothesis" is testable.

The naturalistic explanation requires the presence of a complicated, unproved super universe that has the capacity to randomly spew out an infinite number of universes with different laws of physics. How does this hypothetical super universe know how to do this? Why would it even want to do this? Ultimately, why should there be any universe at all? None of these questions are logically explained by naturalism.
Only an intelligent Being would be motivated and expected to produce any kind of universe such as what we see.

And at the end, if considering multiverse or super universe DO exists, it cannot escape from this question: "Where all these come from"?

[kenites]

That's the only plausible explaination we can have.
A Naturalistic view on the Origin of the Universe only arrives at a contradiction.

Please remember that we are not just talking here of the Universe's existence.
The fine-tuning of the Universe is massively complex that it is virtually impossible to happen by
chance.
The existence of life from a lifeless chemicals cannot be explained by mere science.

All these and more cannot be explained by naturalistic point of view.
If you don't have a valid naturalistic reason, then how can you believe that the Universe existed from nothing and by chance?

I think the question of the universe existence holds more question than answers.

The god/multiverse hypthoses like what you've said is not testable and beyond human comprehension. Yet you assume that their must be a supernatural being who created all of this coz it is reasonable but I would say that I'm fine with "I don't know!"

And at the end, if considering multiverse or super universe DO exists, it cannot escape from this question: "Where all these come from"?

If indeed all of these comes from a supernatural being then i think it cannot be exempted from this question also "Where all these come from?"

[redhorse1L]

The Universe is commonly defined as the totality of everything that exists, including all physical matter and energy, the planets, stars, galaxies, and the contents of intergalactic space.

there you go my most intelligent student. ni agree nasad ka nako, wahahahaha. ka kataw anan ba ani. Lets repeat...

The universe is compose of physical matter, energy, planets, stars, galaxies, and contents of intergalactic space, and GOD! wahahahahaha

aw sorry, walay diay GOD. wahahahaha. There you go. Thats my point, the components of the universe comes from nothing, it existed there by itself. its always been there. no Imaginary, Lunatic, Homophobic, Genocidal, Loving but Jealous, Patient but Impatient, Respectful but Disrespectful, Omnipresent but cannot be Seen GOD. wahahaha, mata sa dong, mata sa.

I just notice, nga kung magkalawom na gali ang istoryahan, mokalit na lang ka ug katawa.
Please don't force yourself in understanding the topic, basin madayonan ka. =)

The universe is compose of physical matter, energy, planets, stars, galaxies, and contents of intergalactic space, and GOD! wahahahahaha
How many times do I have to put this line?
The beginning of the Universe from nothing points on a Creator that is beyond space and time.
Beyond Space and Time, meaning, beyond our Universe!

Ani lang, para makasabot ka unsa nang beyond the space-time universe.
If naay spacecraft nga motravel "beyond" the Universe, dili ka mag-expect nga makakita ka ug pitch black space and then, makita nimo ang Universe sa unahan. Kung ing-ana imong sabot, then, naa gihapon ka sa SPACE, kay nag-occupy gihapon ka ug space. When you get out from our space-time dimension, you(in a form of matter) will not simply exist.

As a UNIX Sysad, we usually place insignificant logs to the /dev/null directory. But no matter how big the log files are, it will not occupy disk space. When placed on that directory, those files won't simply exist.

There you go. Thats my point, the components of the universe comes from nothing, it existed there by itself.
How did you arrive to that conclusion?
Tell you what, when my 10 yr old nephew sees a magic trick, like rabbit coming out from a hat, he knows that that rabbit don't just come out from nowhere.
Unya ikaw? mo-tuo ka nga mo-tungha lang ang butang ug kalit gikan sa wala?

its always been there.
Stephen Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose extended the equations for general relativity to include space and time. Not only space, but also time has a beginning - at the Big Bang.
The Beginning of Time
Bright pa ka aning mga scientists bro?

Even NASA has acknowledged, that our Universe is about 14 Billion years old. That means to say, the universe, had a beginning.
WMAP- Age of the Universe
Bright pa ka sa NASA bro?


I suggest you back your claims with scientific theories and evidences kay mura na ta ani nag-istorya sa barberohan.

[kenites]

lagpas ra kaayo.

and what made you think that yours is not??

[redhorse1L]

I think the question of the universe existence holds more question than answers.

The god/multiverse hypthoses like what you've said is not testable and beyond human comprehension. Yet you assume that their must be a supernatural being who created all of this coz it is reasonable but I would say that I'm fine with "I don't know!"



If indeed all of these comes from a supernatural being then i think it cannot be exempted from this question also "Where all these come from?"

I think the question of the universe existence holds more question than answers.
I already gave you the answer, what questions you're still holding?

The god/multiverse hypthoses like what you've said is not testable and beyond human comprehension. Yet you assume that their must be a supernatural being who created all of this coz it is reasonable but I would say that I'm fine with "I don't know!"
Then you are an agnostic.
When can you decide to choose between Theism and Atheism?
I already provided good reasons why I should believe in a Creator, and disproved the Naturalistic view.
Anthony Flew, a Notorious atheist, believed in God after realizing the naturalistic theories on the origin of life were not plausible.
Francis Collins, a geneticists, converted from atheism to theism after digging down on his field of study.

If indeed all of these comes from a supernatural being then i think it cannot be exempted from this question also "Where all these come from?"
"These" that we are referring are the physical matter and energy or nature.
I already told you, someone beyond space-time dimenson should exist.
If its beyond space and time, then time (or beginning) can't dictate it.

[lindsey8383]

YouTube - Carl Sagan On God(s)-"Why Not Save A Step?"

In any way even if we will try to set aside biblical matters over the formation/evolution of universe, but still we can't avoid and deny that it's existence may be based more particularly on religion.