Should Abortion Be Allowed to Rape And Incest Victims?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

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Wow, you're accusing me of causing maximum disruption from someone who REALLY started it. LOLZ.. Look at the last few threads SPRINGFIELD. You troll.

How in the heck would someone troll when that someone who you accused of trolling is the very person who provides the discussion all the way long ? If that is the case then COOLNEZZ , MARIUS , HOTMOMMA , CHAD TUKES and the rest are also trolling .

So ironic you're a "PRO-LIFE" yet you're very fond of guns and a huge fan of 2nd Amendment.

Guns dont people , people kill people . I can kill you without using a gun , just a scalpel is enough to shut you down . 2nd amnedment ? Dont say something you are not familiar with ok ?

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YOU'RE SUCH A FAIL.

Show me where I fail so I can award myself with an INFRACTION otherwise , ikaw akong hatagan ug INFRACTION . Dont even relate ABORTION to gun ownership , hypocrisy , trolling , seminary , etc . All you need to know is openly declare yourself where you stand . Its even you who who shove it to our throats because we are HYPOCRITES but then if we opt for the idea of being PRO ABORTON, we become righteous .

[jcgoyong]

.. an unwanted child is the same as an aborted child.


.. i have a classmate way back in college, i can't forget her, she is an unwanted child, she's probably the most miserable person i've ever known. Her parents totally rejected her, telling her that she was better aborted. She lives with her aunt. She's beautiful, but she became a T-bird, then did drugs, then became a woman, to make it short, she doesnt know what to do with her life coz as she told me, why live when your own parents wanted you dead ??

.. i share chad's view on this, i'm not Pro Abortion just because i want to, but i'm thinking way ahead, not just after the baby is born, but years ahead when the baby grows into a teenager, just like what i've seen with my friend, it's a guarantee that that baby will be a bastard.

.. having the baby aborted is protection both for the baby and the mother.

what a sad story. go pro CHOICE!

this thread is actually asking about pro CHOICE

should abortion be allowed on rape victims ?

allowed doesnt mean REQUIRED. this is a question of legality over a choice which COULD benefit both the parents and child
whatever are the reasons behind it, it is still a choice

so WHY NOT!!?? Deciding itself is not easy and it is still rampant even though it is currently ILLEGAL

screw religion and or morality! in a practical world, RELIGION is a BUSINESS and MORALITY is set by us HUMANS!

im AGNOSTIC and I believe FAITH>Religion

quote taken from STIGMATA movie:

"Your Faith is within you and not within the Church"

[FAQ]

How in the heck would someone troll when that someone who you accused of trolling is the very person who provides the discussion all the way long ? If that is the case then COOLNEZZ , MARIUS , HOTMOMMA , CHAD TUKES and the rest are also trolling .

You're just making this complicated. Lolzz...

All I said was that abortion is not murder (at least in my opinion) but you discredit my argument through making some inflammatory statement. You should've point your argument with logic but instead you took my argument in a troll-like way. Is this what you've learned in seminary and at USC-TC on how to handle arguments?

Guns dont people , people kill people . I can kill you without using a gun , just a scalpel is enough to shut you down . 2nd amnedment ? Dont say something you are not familiar with ok ?

Killing me without a gun and shut me down with a scalpel?? Ohhh... I'm afraid!! *sarcasm* Yeah, right. You sound like those fat bullies in grade schools.

Lols. So funny you think you're the only person here who knows that Bill. Why are you so obsessed with that bill, you don't even live in the US. I researched that bill after I've seen Runaway Jury a couple of years ago.

Show me where I fail so I can award myself with an INFRACTION otherwise , ikaw akong hatagan ug INFRACTION . Dont even relate ABORTION to gun ownership , hypocrisy , trolling , seminary , etc . All you need to know is openly declare yourself where you stand . Its even you who who shove it to our throats because we are HYPOCRITES but then if we opt for the idea of being PRO ABORTON, we become righteous .

Well you don't have to "award" yourself an infraction, it has no effect on people like you anyways since you are a mod. You fail for attacking a person instead of the argument. Man up buddy.

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Lol ... why dont we start on you since we are OVERPOPULATED . You are nothing different or special compared to those UNWANTED babies .

ABORTION is not MURDER ? My goodness FAQ lol !! What makes me a HYPOCRITE by the way ... just name 1 and I will rest my case .

And oh, telling people ABORTION is bad and attacking them for not supporting on your side isn't HYPOCRITICAL? "My Goodness" SPRINGFIELD_XD_40 lol !!

Let's quit this gay verbal fight that you started. You are anti-abortion and I am pro-abortion, why don't we just talk about abortion stuffs in an intelligent manner?! Shall we? Like I said, man up buddy! Lolzz...

[Rajzh_niX]

i'm pro-life....but in a case of such event, it really depends on the scenario...naa na mn ta balaud bahin ani and naa ra mn sd sa tao kung mutuman cla but by nature di baya jud magpa-abort ang mga rape victim...

ang lisod lang jud nga part is sa bata...inig gawas niya, unsaon pagpadako niya...di bya jud na malikayan nga maglagot ug tan-aw ang mama sa iyang anak coz di mn niya gusto ni mahitabo...next, igdako sa bata, mangita bya jud na ug papa then naay chance nga murebelde pa....

so it all boils down kung unsa ang choice sa victim.....pero luoy jud kaayo ang victim ug ang bata....

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

You're just making this complicated. Lolzz...

Pfft ! Come up something better oi .

All I said was that abortion is not murder (at least in my opinion) but you discredit my argument through making some inflammatory statement. You should've point your argument with logic but instead you took my argument in a troll-like way. Is this what you've learned in seminary and at USC-TC on how to handle arguments?

Huh ? Can you direct me to what you are talking about ? Lagpas na man kaayo ka dong oi . Lol ! Where did you get the idea that I went to the seminary before and I study in USC-TC ? Pwerting lagpasa ug unsya labot ? Anyhoo ... ABORTION is MURDER . Whatever technicalities you will use , the point is that you took a LIFE on your own hands is MURDER .

Killing me without a gun and shut me down with a scalpel?? Ohhh... I'm afraid!! *sarcasm* Yeah, right. You sound like those fat bullies in grade schools.

I see now . There is no need to discuss it to you since we are not in the same page , mao na pirme diay ka byaan sa byahi tungod sa imohang pagsabot sa mga butang na beyond sa imohang mental capacity . Dong , binisay-on nako ha . Dili ko magkinahanglan ug pusil para mo patay ug tao . Maski lansang na pwede ka patyon . So gets na nimo kay ana man ka na hilig ko ug pusil unya contradict sa akong beliefs na pro life ko lol . Pastilan ka dodong FAQ !!

Lols. So funny you think you're the only person here who knows that Bill. Why are you so obsessed with that bill, you don't even live in the US. I researched that bill after I've seen Runaway Jury a couple of years ago.

Mura man sad ka ni ingon ra pod ngano obessed pod kaayo k ni JOAVAN FERNANDEZ lol !! Unya karon avatar nimo gwapo pod jud lol ... keep the PRIDE brad !! You assume too much but atleast akong presumption nimo medyo accurate gamay HISTORICALLY SPEAKING sa laing thread nimo hahaha !!

Well you don't have to "award" yourself an infraction, it has no effect on people like you anyways since you are a mod. You fail for attacking a person instead of the argument. Man up buddy.

That is because you have nothing against me ... just purely desperate measures kay kabalo ka kung kapila na tika gi palaw maski asa ka na thread or topic .

And oh, telling people ABORTION is bad and attacking them for not supporting on your side isn't HYPOCRITICAL? "My Goodness" SPRINGFIELD_XD_40 lol !!

My gulay FAQ !! I never tell other people that ABORTION is BAD , I am letting them know though I firmly believed that ABORTION is bad and attacking them ? Lol !! Hahahaha !!

Let's quit this gay verbal fight that you started. You are anti-abortion and I am pro-abortion, why don't we just talk about abortion stuffs in an intelligent manner?! Shall we? Like I said, man up buddy! Lolzz...

What is so GAY about it ? UNless you can relate to it because it involves something that affects your pride .... BRAD , its ok . Oh ... intelligent manner ? Like it is very INTELLIGENT to brand people with names like you really know them . You dont even know JOAVAN FERNANDEZ personally but so obsessed with ... is that a clue that you are also obsessed with .... do I have to continue ? By the way ... you dont have man up to talk intelligently lmfao !!

[Klave]

People...dili na Hypocrisy kang Springfield ok?...

So far wala pa ko kita niya mucontradict sa iyang kaugalingon...

Since naay naka mention nga gikan siya sa seminary...

Mao tingali...he wouldn't be who he is...if he wasn't saying what he was saying...

@Springfield
I still believe you are still pretty one sided for the raped victims...
I would like to go over what you said for me but then there have been far better arguments and they didn't even explicitly say that they should or should not keep the baby...

Para ni kang Psyrille... What she said was beautiful... Pakpak mu tanan

So personally lang, I'm not an active Catholic, and have been understanding the world on my own grounds because frankly I am not satisfied with what the church has been teaching us. I think the church is currently good for those who have given up finding meaning with this world and would simply be content to follow the many norms bestowed upon us.

I truly believe that we should opt for decisions that will allow us to fully reach our greatest potential to contribute to society.

So If I put myself in the shoes of a knocked up rape victim. I wouldn't want to put up with this ordeal at all, the sooner I can get rid of this mess the better. And yes, if the artificial womb exists, I would have happily transferred that fetus to that womb pronto. But then I would still doubt, I read psyrille's post and it moved me, would that baby be good for society or not?...hmmm

Lastly...clarification...for non-rape victims caught doing abortion without legal reasons such as health risks to mother and/or child, they should be surgically disabled to procreate for the rest of their lives.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ KLAVE ...

we have opposite outlooks regarding the PRO and ANTI issues and I am not one sided because I stand on the decision of letting the baby go if there is a need for the mother to live .

One thing in common though is , no matter how our arguments dont align , it is well accepted as opinions because we waive it with the notion that no one is right or wrong . Discussions like these should be the ones being taken into consideration for other forumers to look up into because it is healthy and nevertheless , I might not agree with you but definitely Ive elarned something from you .

Back to the topic ... I guess because I am a male and it is easy for me to say it since RAPE VICTIMS are tge females . I would give in to the fact na di man jud lalim but still for me , taking a life away is MURDER unless special circumstances are involved but as long as walay health risk involved , I am keeping the baby . If it happens to my family , God forbid ... all the support would be there WANTED or UNWANTED .

[Klave]

@Springfield

An opinion is an opinion is an opinion.
Simply saying, lets call a spade a spade.

Good for you, If there were a lot more people like you, the world would be a kinder place.

[Hotmomma]

@Springfield

An opinion is an opinion is an opinion.
Simply saying, lets call a spade a spade.

Good for you, If there were a lot more people like you, the world would be a kinder place.

no offense, but i would say if there are more people like Spring, there will be more cookies walking in the streets or hanging under the mango tree!

another thing, when a man f**k his wife with no concent, it is considered a rape, and yes i would keep that baby. But with a total stranger, no mo bilangkad dayun ko sa clinic right after! Pero sa akog bana bana kanang uban basi ra sad na mga "ONE_NIGHT_STAND" kinda rape thing, mao nga they think of keeping the baby. Pero kanang forced nga rape, ambut nalang jud!

peez guys!

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

no offense, but i would say if there are more people like Spring, there will be more cookies walking in the streets or hanging under the mango tree!

Can you elaborate more on the idioms and pardon my ignorance .

Heck I will just try my best understanding on these statements .... indeed what you said was true if the RAPE VICTIM wasnt given justice which makes it sound like , its ok to RAPE and IMPREGNATE someone because SPRINGY is around . Wrong analogy .... I would rather say and now be a PROUD HYPOCRITE , I will kill the rapist and still keep the innocent unwanted child .

another thing, when a man f**k his wife with no concent, it is considered a rape, and yes i would keep that baby.

I dont know how you define CONSENT . RAPE is defined though as a form of FORCED INTERCOURSE while consent is , the " victim " repeatedly said NOor just plain YES .

But with a total stranger, no mo bilangkad dayun ko sa clinic right after! Pero sa akog bana bana kanang uban basi ra sad na mga "ONE_NIGHT_STAND" kinda rape thing, mao nga they think of keeping the baby. Pero kanang forced nga rape, ambut nalang jud!

Indeed lahi ang definition sa RAPE thats why I clarified you unsay meaning sa CONSENT . IN conclusion , no matter how you define CONSENT basta ang answer sa girl kay NO , its always RAPE otherwise YES ang tubag but minor ang age which is I believed below 18 years of age , still its STATUTORY RAPE.

peez guys!

Apir !