The Universe - is it Created? or by Chance?

[orcgod]

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^^hehe.. murag trademark najud na niya sir ang logic nga lagpas.



bukal ni ron.

IDOL CONVERT!!!! wahahahahaha! Fighter!!!!, Full time Atheist naka!!!!

[kiko]

the universe created or by chance
by chance: meaning just by accident that the universe came into being
created: meaning purposely molded by a higher being
there is no answer to that question as we will never know. in the time line between the universe's first existence up to the present day, humans are only but a tiny speck of dust in the timeline. the telescope has only been invented only 400 years ago and it was only then we started to focus our eyes up to the heavens. Humans try to explain unexplainable things in which the human mind wants to accept and understand (like magic, witchcraft etc) as its human nature to fear waht we dont know.
the universe is finite BUT we could never get to the"edge" because its always expanding.

[Hotmomma]

the universe created or by chance
by chance: meaning just by accident that the universe came into being
created: meaning purposely molded by a higher being
there is no answer to that question as we will never know. in the time line between the universe's first existence up to the present day, humans are only but a tiny speck of dust in the timeline. the telescope has only been invented only 400 years ago and it was only then we started to focus our eyes up to the heavens. Humans try to explain unexplainable things in which the human mind wants to accept and understand (like magic, witchcraft etc) as its human nature to fear waht we dont know.
the universe is finite BUT we could never get to the"edge" because its always expanding.

i like it Kiko.

[schmuck]

I repeat again, the universe expanded from a singularity(note of emphasis: this is still the universe, only a different form durr). Said singularity could have been always in existence prior to the big bang.
That singularity you're talking is already the Universe, no matter how small it was.
If you're telling me that this singularity could have existed in eternity, then you really believe that the Universe has always existed, which is a contrary to what scientists like Hawking or NASA believe.

I suggest you provide good grounds that the Universe "in a different form" has always existed.

As I mentioned before, Occam's Razor
Take note that Occam's Razor can also be extended to metaphysics.
Which is more simple? To think that the Universe has always existed or just pops out from nothing (which is contrary to the established findings), or to believe that something beyond space and time (beyond our observable Universe) could have caused this?

Please remember that we are not just talking here of the Universe's existence.
The fine-tuning of the Universe is massively complex that it is virtually impossible to happen by chance.
The existence of life from a lifeless chemicals cannot be explained by mere science.


Also, your argument from causality is old. And frankly, I've tackled the same argument one too many times already.
Well, your argument for an eternal Universe is obsolete, and discarded by scientists.


If you are will to say that god has always been there, I'll save a step and maintain that the universe(the singularity, remember?) has always been

The difference between the two is this:
- You believe in something within human comprehension, but an erroneous one.
- I believe in something beyond human comprehension, but is feasible and logically valid.

Haiz, Ok I'll spell it out for you. What all those scientists who you name-dropped are referring to the expanded universe(aka the universe that we have now). Lisud ba sabton nga I'm referring the the universe in singularity form prior to the expansion? ?_?

Great, my view is erroneous? Thanks your sharing your OPINION.
You use human logic to arrive at a hypothesis that is beyond human comprehension. Ngil-ngiga gd sa imong logic. Your intelligence must be beyond human comprehension.

[lovelygirl]

Created nalang..mao may ingon sa bible

[redhorse1L]

Thats my point...you just emphasize my point.
How will "EMPTY" or "NOTHING" be created? yes, it cannot be created
Unsa pa man imong buhaton nga wala man? true
Pwede diay na? nga magbuhat ka ug wala? thats it, good student

wahaha, then you agree with me, "I see nothing", of course thats my point, its nothing, its pitch black, infinite universe, thats why theres no GOD, because nobody creates the universe. thats why it is by CHANCE that everything here under the PITCH BLACK INFINITE UNIVERSE existed. It existed from NOTHING, no GOD.

Thank you SCIENCE, naka sabot na sila. lets celebrate!!!!!

wahaha, then you agree with me, "I see nothing", of course thats my point, its nothing, its pitch black, infinite universe, thats why theres no GOD, because nobody creates the universe. thats why it is by CHANCE that everything here under the PITCH BLACK INFINITE UNIVERSE existed. It existed from NOTHING, no GOD.

How could you claim that you are a science enthusiast when you don't even know what the universe means?
I'll give you a basic description what the Universe is: Universe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Universe is commonly defined as the totality of everything that exists, including all physical matter and energy, the planets, stars, galaxies, and the contents of intergalactic space.

If there was NOTHING before the Universe, then there was NO universe.
It's not a PITCH BLACK INFINITE UNIVERSE, it was just simply VOID, NOTHING.

Now if you're expecting to see God on that PITCH BLACK NOTHINGNESS, then you must be dreaming.
In order for your eyes to see a thing, that object should be in a form of matter or energy in order to reflect
light. If it's in a form of matter and energy, then that object is already part of the space-time Universe, not beyond it.

Like what I've mention on my previous posts:
The beginning of the Universe from nothing points on a Creator that is beyond space and time.
It is beyond space and time not part of it.
Please try to lookup about the space-time Universe so you will understand.

It existed from NOTHING, no GOD.
How can NOTHING exist?
Ever watched Kung-Fu Panda? Ingon to iyang ama2x nga itik:
"The secret ingredient is: NOTHING!, There is no secret ingredient!"
If you really going to argue that "there is an existing secret ingredient, an it's NOTHING", mo-undang nalang ta ani.

Please try to look up what the word NOTHING is.
Nothing is a concept that describes the absence of anything at all.
Nothing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[tranquil]

basta makainom lage ug REDHORSE

[tranquil]

basta makainom lage ug REDHORSE layo kaayo moabot ang istorya....=)

[unknownymous]

Thats my point...you just emphasize my point.
How will "EMPTY" or "NOTHING" be created? yes, it cannot be created
Unsa pa man imong buhaton nga wala man? true
Pwede diay na? nga magbuhat ka ug wala? thats it, good student

wahaha, then you agree with me, "I see nothing", of course thats my point, its nothing, its pitch black, infinite universe, thats why theres no GOD, because nobody creates the universe. thats why it is by CHANCE that everything here under the PITCH BLACK INFINITE UNIVERSE existed. It existed from NOTHING, no GOD.

Thank you SCIENCE, naka sabot na sila. lets celebrate!!!!!

OY oy ... unsa ka sakto naka sa imong pamati..

ayaw patakag pangilad diha murag kag right manulti da.

Marunong bali..!

bi unsa toi gi ingon nimo atong reviewhon


hahahaha haskang toy.toya gyud. SIMPOL LAGIK

unsaon mansad pagtunga sa wala.! kung wala
diha ang tig patungha di wala gyud
so kana nga naai mai nitunga kana naay
nagpatungha... sabta og maayo kai kani imong
otok og ato ning pasabton mosamot rabag kalobag.


pundo nalang og waka kasabot sa argumento kai murag
wa tai bo.ot ana og pataka tag talk...

[tranquil]

murag chamba rajud tingali...