The Universe - is it Created? or by Chance?

[bungot25]

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HAHA...this would be another deathblow against the evolutionist position!

beh beh beh depensa dayun mga evolution fanatics...

[krizitoyness]

hahahha! dawat limpyo ra jud ka Krizi! hahaha (murag ako) way hago ug research noh?

own ideas ni aku maam..

and regarding sa research, THIS IS THE RESEARCH..

[Hotmomma]

own ideas ni aku maam..

and regarding sa research, THIS IS THE RESEARCH..

absolutely Kriz.

[kenites]

I don't know.....

[redhorse1L]

Correction. Time was created during the big bang. Its the singularity(the universe in its form before the bang) from which the big bang "exploded" from. That could have been always there. The point is, why invoke the supernatural to end causation? Why not stop at the universe itself? Also, Occam's Razor(look it up if you haven't heard of it)

Like I said, the idea of an infinite past is logically impossible.
Take this for example, if you're riding a space shuttle and you happen to meet a spaceman on a spacecraft, you happen to ask: "Where are you going?" he answers: "I'm going to infinity!!"
Now you might say, ok, keep up the spirit, but you won't get there for sure.
"Oh by the way, where have you been?" he answers: "Im came fom infinity!"

How can you hope for an answer if the concept is already false?


The point is, why invoke the supernatural to end causation?
I'm already giving three solid arguments for the existence a Supernatural Being.

1. The beginning of the Universe from nothing points on a Creator that is beyond space and time.
2. The fine tuning of the Universe dictates an Intellegent Designer.
3. The presence of Life considering a lifeless Universe demands a Giver of Life.

In order to prove Atheism, you must disprove all these arguments and build your own argument that the Physical world (like matter and energy) is all there is. That there is no beyond the natural world.


Why not stop at the universe itself?
Because that's what we are discussing right now

[Tirong-say]

Subscribing................

[Aethyr]

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[redhorse1L]

are you seriously asking theists to set aside biblical passages? please tell me you're kidding. if you're a theist, chances are you believe in creationism. if you're a creationist, chances are you reject the BIG BANG theory. and no, you will not find the BIG BANG in the Bible so stop treating the Bible like a science book. furthermore, stop comparing who's the more LOGICAL, because obviously, if creationists are logical people, then they would not discredit EVOLUTION or treat it as a false claim.

lastly, the debate regarding CAUSALITY has been repeated again and again. this thread is going nowhere.

Maybe you're referring to those zealots shouting in the streets with a megaphone.

If I believe in God, it doesn't mean that I would not believe in the Big Bang and Evolution.

Scientists, like Anthony Flew and Francis Collins, sees enligthenment of God after digging down on their field of study.

lastly, the debate regarding CAUSALITY has been repeated again and again. this thread is going nowhere.
Probably because, you don't seem to give a valid answer.

I'm already giving three solid arguments for the existence a Supernatural Being.

1. The beginning of the Universe from nothing points on a Creator that is beyond space and time.
2. The fine tuning of the Universe dictates an Intellegent Designer.
3. The presence of Life considering a lifeless Universe demands a Giver of Life.

In order to prove Atheism, you must disprove all these arguments and build your own argument that the Physical world (like matter and energy) is all there is. That there is nothing beyond the natural world.

[Hotmomma]

An uncaused cause is like the square root of a negative number.

It can come in handy when you need to solve an abstract problem

but you have to remember they don't actually exist.

So what is more probable that? something that can't exist

created the universe or a naturally occurring phenomena that we

don't know about yet is responsible?


*Nothing Begets Nothing , Something Begets Something*

So if theres nothing outhere how can it begets something


UNYA MO INGON NAPOD KA DIHAG BIG.BANG (w/o driver) MAYPAG CLOUD 9

Aether, close your mouth when its full of bananas! hahahha! peez Aeth...

[redhorse1L]

An uncaused cause is like the square root of a negative number.

It can come in handy when you need to solve an abstract problem

but you have to remember they don't actually exist.

So what is more probable that? something that can't exist

created the universe or a naturally occurring phenomena that we

don't know about yet is responsible?


*Nothing Begets Nothing , Something Begets Something*

So if theres nothing outhere how can it begets something


UNYA MO INGON NAPOD KA DIHAG BIG.BANG (w/o driver) MAYPAG CLOUD 9

@Aethyr
Nice one Bro! +100
A physical object of an infinite past is like a square root of a negative number.

Infinity minus infinity is undefined.