Set aside biblical passages and let's talk about Science and Logic.
Then let's see who is more logical: Theist or Atheist.
Let me start with this First Argument:
- Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
- The universe began to exist.
- Therefore, the universe has a cause.
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07-08-2010, 03:47 PM #1C.I.A.
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The Universe - is it Created? or by Chance?
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07-08-2010, 03:51 PM #2Junior Member
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Ayay ka nindto ani SIR
KALAM argument ... hapos
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Roll the Dice...
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07-08-2010, 03:54 PM #3
If it has a cause, then it should have a purpose, then who made that purpose..............he-he
If it is created by chance, then in what way and how, it is so massive and very complex?
Even us the most minute part of it is very complex.........
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07-08-2010, 03:58 PM #4C.I.A.
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mao ni question nga lisud kayo tubangon maski sa mga pinaka expert nga scientists like Stephen Hawking.
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07-08-2010, 04:02 PM #5C.I.A.
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The second argument:
The Fine Tuning of the Universe dictates an Intelligent Designer.
The laws of physics are extremely fine tuned to permit the existence of matter, much less, the existence of biological life forms. For some of these physical laws, a change of as little as 1 part in 10^37 (10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0) would prevent the universe from ever containing any kind of life.
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07-08-2010, 04:09 PM #6Senior Member
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"FOR ME" and through this simple logical thinking of mine...
the universe can't be an accident...
us breathing oxygen and exhaling co2... while plants consume our co2 and give us fresh air in return... can't be an accident...
how the human eye works... being able to process real-time images at such speed... that no man-made machine can surpass or equal... even Asimo's complex vision system...
our planet being perfectly distanced from the sun to support life...
to follow na lang ang uban...
there must be a Creator i believe...
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07-08-2010, 04:11 PM #7Junior Member
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Ayay gi palo.apan pa gyog
Originally Posted by Tirong-say
Irreducible Complexities : Michael Behe
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07-08-2010, 04:18 PM #8Then unsa man gyud diay be...........he-he Originally Posted by Aethyr
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07-08-2010, 04:19 PM #9C.I.A.
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Originally Posted by Aethyr
@Aethyr, swetoha gud nimo anang mga nag-author anang mga arguments? hehehe
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