Kinsa jud imo gituohan kung diin jud tah gikan, ang Bible or Science?

[redhorse1L]

Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Yeap, your BIBLE just said he made the stars also like he has a magic wand and KAPOOTCH there appears the stars.

So you mean to say, Astronomers are witnessing GOD in action making stars right now? Did you look at the link I gave you?

So you believe that your GOD is making stars in REAL-TIME? infront of the very eyes of scientists?

I'm asking you question.
Please don't divert the issue.

Originally Posted by redhorse1L
Ok, we're already getting there.
I assume you believe in Newton's Law of Consevation of Matter and Energy.
I remember it when I was grade 5 when my teacher said:
Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it only changes from one form to another.

From a point of Singularity(Simplicity), we have a very dense energy ball.
Don't get me wrong, I am also open with the possibility that we started in a Big Bang.

But, did this Simplicity existed in eternity? Was it always there before 14billion years ago?


How many times do I have to repeat this?
What would you expect from a 2000BC prophet who wrote Genesis?
You want this to be written? "In the beginning, the universe was a small hot dense energy ball, so immense that it contained all the energy of the universe we have today, then a big bang occurs, creating a powerful explosion, gases whirling.. and after 5Billion yrs, it has formed to heavenly bodies, stars, nebulae, galaxies."
That is really absurd.

Like I said, the bible is NOT a scientific book (repeat it 1000 times).

[cobraKing]

the bible is NOT a scientific book, but it is a scientific prof why we exsist on the earth..

[narud67]

[quote=orcgod;7570462]
Well to me that is not a problem, He is God - there you go, you just admitted that your GOD is a murderer! bravo! nailed!

So it is not a problem to you that your worshiping a MURDERER? GENOCIDAL? ETHNIC CLEANSER? RACIST? HOMOPHOBIC GOD?

<----you are putting words in my mouth to which i did not declared, did i admit that God is a murderer brother? can you copy-paste statements i made saying that God is a murderer.
God is not murderer i think, i think God is just and full of love. By the way if you accused God as murderer, genocidal, ethnic cleanser, racist, and homophobic God -- that is your prerogative because your heart maybe are resentful or maybe your are full of doubts. Brother let me say this to you, God loves you so much that He sent His only Son (Christ) to died for your sins (and our sins)
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Grace of the Lord be with you

[kenites]

[quote=narud67;7572770]

Well to me that is not a problem, He is God - there you go, you just admitted that your GOD is a murderer! bravo! nailed!

So it is not a problem to you that your worshiping a MURDERER? GENOCIDAL? ETHNIC CLEANSER? RACIST? HOMOPHOBIC GOD?

<----you are putting words in my mouth to which i did not declared, did i admit that God is a murderer brother? can you copy-paste statements i made saying that God is a murderer.
God is not murderer i think, i think God is just and full of love. By the way if you accused God as murderer, genocidal, ethnic cleanser, racist, and homophobic God -- that is your prerogative because your heart maybe are resentful or maybe your are full of doubts. Brother let me say this to you, God loves you so much that He sent His only Son (Christ) to died for your sins (and our sins)
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Grace of the Lord be with you

Hi Narud, welcome to this thread

I think orcgod's accusation against God is based on his post Gods 50 Top Killings.
So what can you say about it? Is he really that kind of god?

[orcgod]

I'm asking you question.
Please don't divert the issue.

Originally Posted by redhorse1L
Ok, we're already getting there.
I assume you believe in Newton's Law of Consevation of Matter and Energy.
I remember it when I was grade 5 when my teacher said:
Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it only changes from one form to another.

From a point of Singularity(Simplicity), we have a very dense energy ball.
Don't get me wrong, I am also open with the possibility that we started in a Big Bang.

But, did this Simplicity existed in eternity? Was it always there before 14billion years ago?


How many times do I have to repeat this?
What would you expect from a 2000BC prophet who wrote Genesis?
You want this to be written? "In the beginning, the universe was a small hot dense energy ball, so immense that it contained all the energy of the universe we have today, then a big bang occurs, creating a powerful explosion, gases whirling.. and after 5Billion yrs, it has formed to heavenly bodies, stars, nebulae, galaxies."
That is really absurd.

Like I said, the bible is NOT a scientific book (repeat it 1000 times).

oh, youre a Theist? you believe in Science and God? its like mixing oil and water.

Creationist - earth is 10,000 yrs old.
Atheist - earth is billions of years old.
Theist - how old do you think the earth is?

[orcgod]

Let's put it this way. Yes people has some "if's" in life. Let me ask you, what if eternal life and eternal death is real, where do you wanna be ? It's just like choosing what college you want to be in. where do you wanna be?

you ask me "WHAT IF" right? meaning, it has never been proven and tested that its real, because it is "WHAT IF" - Desperately Hoping for something to be real <----WHAT IF.

Clearly, you dont know how to ask questions for the Atheist. Number one rule in arguing with us...

1. DONT ASSUME
2. STOP CLAIMING
3. PRESENT FACTS, EVIDENCE, VIDEOS, PICTURES of your CLAIM

when you can do all these? then we can start a good debate.

[orcgod]

[QUOTE=narud67;7572770]

Well to me that is not a problem, He is God - there you go, you just admitted that your GOD is a murderer! bravo! nailed!

So it is not a problem to you that your worshiping a MURDERER? GENOCIDAL? ETHNIC CLEANSER? RACIST? HOMOPHOBIC GOD?

<----you are putting words in my mouth to which i did not declared, did i admit that God is a murderer brother? can you copy-paste statements i made saying that God is a murderer.
God is not murderer i think, i think God is just and full of love. By the way if you accused God as murderer, genocidal, ethnic cleanser, racist, and homophobic God -- that is your prerogative because your heart maybe are resentful or maybe your are full of doubts. Brother let me say this to you, God loves you so much that He sent His only Son (Christ) to died for your sins (and our sins)
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Grace of the Lord be with you

remember this?

"Well to me that is not a problem, He is God, He can be whatever what He want, we cannot comprehend simply because we are just His creation."

so, what your saying is, you dont have a problem what your GOD is. Right? and your GOD, as what the fantasy Bible says, is a MURDERER. oh, thats too harsh, let me sugarcoat it - RIGHTEOUS MURDERER!

So LOGIC tells us, that if you dont have a problem with a murderous GOD, and you believe and worship him, then it is obvious that whatever your GOD do, you support him.

You are clearly blind as your Faith. again LOOK AT THE LINK - and tell me if your GOD is a murderer or not.

Dwindling In Unbelief: God's Top 50 Killings

[sandking]

If somebody is going to ask you that kind of question what do you believe science or bible?
it is just the same as answering the question, What came first, the egg or the chicken?

chicken: if you believe in creation.
egg: if you believe in evolution.

[redhorse1L]

oh, youre a Theist? you believe in Science and God? its like mixing oil and water.

Creationist - earth is 10,000 yrs old.
Atheist - earth is billions of years old.
Theist - how old do you think the earth is?

I guess you haven't read my previous posts.
Please back-read starting from page 67 onwards.
I'm already answering these questions from other members.

I don't think this is a choice between Creationalists(who believe God Created the world in 7 days) or Evolutionists(who believe that we came from nothing and by nothing?)

God did not literally created the world in 7 calendar days as stated in the bible. But its true
in the context that the creation was an on-going process. You don't expect a 2000 BC prophet to
right down about human evolution, right?

My stand is this:

I believe God created the world and mankind through a process called evolution.
We did not come from the lineage of apes, but we have a different ancestral line called homonids.

The Church is already open to this discovery since it is scientifically true.

It is NOT Creationist (the world created in 7 calendar days)
It is NOT atheistic Evolutionist(The universe and man came from nothing and by chance)
It is Theistic evolution - (a Big Bang, an evolution process that involves Divine guidance)

Adam, Eve, and Evolution

Do you really think that the Aethists have the best scientists in this world? Check this out: (I'm sure you knew them)
1. Galileo Galilei
2. Blaise Pascal
3. Robert Boyle
4. Isaac Newton
5. Gottfried W. Leibnitz
6. Albert Einstein
7. Charles B. Thaxton
Scientists Who Believe in God


Again, for the third time.. Please answer my question:
From a point of Singularity(Simplicity), we have a very dense energy ball.
Don't get me wrong, I am also open with the possibility that we started in a Big Bang.

But, did this Simplicity existed in eternity? Was it always there before 14billion years ago?

[schmuck]

like i said before, you dont know nothing about evolution!



if this is indeed true? how did it started?
this would turn out to be an outdated source.



intelligent design

Intelligent Design - Unlocking The Mysteries Of Life

haiz. talk about underestimating someone who has probably read more books on the subject. sheesh

outdated is your rebuttal? utter. rubbish. doy.