Philippine Airforce - One of the weakest in the world

[SioDenz]

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kinsa kabalo diri sa current fleet sa atu airforce? pwedi i lista if pila if pila ana nila ang working. Para ma conpare natu sa uban nasud nya mahibaloan ug weakest ba tah..hehe

[Tarmac]

oppss... its a jet trainer by the way, i must have mixed it up with another plane it was supposed to be T-6 Texan!!!, still it is still cheaper to invest on something that you dont need training....

The T-6 Texan II is a turboprop trainer. Just like the Super Tucano. And powered by the same engine.

The PAF used to have the North American AT-6 Texan. A 30's era designed advanced trainer with a radial engine. A totally different animal.

[butitoy]

@butitoy

ok ko sa imo choices except for the C130 gunship and the A-10.. for me, it's too fast for jungle COIN operations with all the trees and precise targets to hit which are too small.. nagreklamo man gani ang mga A-10 users sa irag ug a-stan that's why they're trying to go back to good old turboprop power..

naa naman ta blackhawk, pero 2 ra kabuok i think, hehehe and i don't even know if it's still flying.. sa presidential airlift man naka attach tingali

they shud be flying A-10s fast in those areas. the insurgents have SA-7 grail | Strella | and us made stingers..being shoulder fire, its a bad news for the airjocks.

for philippines setting. they dont to fly fast and high..rebels dont have it.YET!

.50 brownings cant down the a10..

updated AC-130 spectre have keener sites bro.. with thermal.IR. and laser laid target finder.. it can find target precisely thats a size of ur monitor and inside a bunker thats 1feet thermal..

"..bring the RAIN! "



and i forgot to list down also the AV-8B..when the F-35 will be fielded. the USMC will be moothballing all the harrier. they wud be be very willing and happy to sell it to their allies..

just like the A10 before the iraq gulfwar..the original prices are slashed half. but after seeing the Can opener's value, the price just ballooned thrice..

this AV8B JUMP JETS are very suitable to our archipelago setting..

all weather search and destroy..all weather PERSONAL VIP TRANSPORT..to anywhere in the country as long as there's a flat hard soil that's only 50' x 35'

[butitoy]

oppss... its a jet trainer by the way, i must have mixed it up with another plane it was supposed to be T-6 Texan!!!, still it is still cheaper to invest on something that you dont need training....

for example:
AK-47 and M16, we used M16 because we already have the commonality and support for it, we didnt use Ak47 because, like i say opposite to what i say...

let's say, AK-47 is much cheaper than M16, since we dont have any machine for making the 7.62x39mm in GA, we are resulted in importing one... if it fails (even this is proven to be durable still i fails though rare) our gunsmith dont have the training, the result is outsource it to another Gunsmith which may charge higher, in case of M16, we already have the production line 5.56x45mm NATO in GA, we dont need to import, that would save us more, and our gunsmith are proficient with this gun so no need to outsource again we save more, and most of all the EASE of training, ever wonder why US didnt totally replace M4/M16 instead they upgraded it, simple it is a Logistical Nightmare, new ammo production, traning for the new weapon...

to make it simple, it is very practical to upgrade what we have than a new one.... why replace something that is working, upgrade!!!

@butitoy

we already have blackhawk civilian version (S-70), check this thread about the Blackhawk under the Presidential Wing -> Merged: "Do we have Blackhawk / Seahawk?" threads

really?, do you know sa imo gipang recommend is maka poordoy?, do you know how much is the cost of owning those bird? beside from the price tag on buying it... cmon guys.... lets be realistic... atleast when you recommend something you should have consider the cost of owning one , pilot training + technician + fuel + maintenance parts

during the marcos time we used to have the Spooky or the AC-47 it was used during the secession on mindanao

here the thread by the way -> PAF C-47 in various configurations (Featuring the PAF AC-47)

nope..we are more prosperous than vietnam and some other countries who are AIRFORCE might than us..

the most unrealistic is the legislators PORK BARRELS..and the hierarchical corruption in our government.

mas nindot man i upgrade and bulsa ug kotse and taste of women.

[skullyboy]

i really don't agree with the A-10.. the MILF has limited if not zero anti-aircraft capability.. they can't even shoot down a huey or a low-flying MG-520

and the A-C130 is too expensive for us right now.. LOL we can't even buy a transport-spec C-130

[skullyboy]

kinsa kabalo diri sa current fleet sa atu airforce? pwedi i lista if pila if pila ana nila ang working. Para ma conpare natu sa uban nasud nya mahibaloan ug weakest ba tah..hehe

i google lang.. try to look at our ASEAN neighbors mal/indo/thai/singa/viet and you'll be convinced

nope..we are more prosperous than vietnam and some other countries who are AIRFORCE might than us..

mas asenso ang vietnam air force oi.. daghan sila sukhoi 27/30 (modern equiv. of F-15) and lots of MiG's at their disposal.. at least sila naa external defense capability, kita wala jud porbida

[butitoy]

mas asenso ang vietnam air force oi.. daghan sila sukhoi 27/30 (modern equiv. of F-15) and lots of MiG's at their disposal.. at least sila naa external defense capability, kita wala jud porbida

ur half misquoting me..heheheh and ur very right with that post

vietnam is economy lower than philippines with mighty airforce and leaner waisted politician

philippines is economy mightier than vietnam with vintage airforce and beefier waisted politicians..

[skullyboy]

ur half misquoting me..heheheh and ur very right with that post

vietnam is economy lower than philippines with mighty airforce and leaner waisted politician

philippines is economy mightier than vietnam with vintage airforce and beefier waisted politicians..

aww mao ba bro naglibog kos imong post, hehehe

it's really sad that we ended like this.. we were once the best before Marcos created a culture of graft & corruption that until now still infects our society

[Tarmac]

aww mao ba bro naglibog kos imong post, hehehe

it's really sad that we ended like this.. we were once the best before Marcos created a culture of graft & corruption that until now still infects our society

To add to your point. Back then, our armed forces also benefited immensely from US generosity brought about by the cold war and the Vietnam War. It made sense to make the Philippines strong militarily and aligned with the United States to counter the so-called "domino effect" of southeast asian countries coming under communist rule.

[Tarmac]

OV-10's designed fits our requirements.... and we already have familiarity on it's engine so it would be much easier for the PAF technician to fix and mantain... no more training

Unless Boeing somehow offers to upgrade PAF's old OV-10s to OV-10X standard (which should include structural upgrades to increase service life), I don't see how a new-build twin-engine OV-10 would be cheaper than a single-engine Super Tucano.

Transitioning to a new type isn't all that expensive or difficult. Manufacturers always include pilot and mechanics' training in the purchase price.

As for the engines, a lot of operators (including our local airlines) now take advantage of "power by the hour" lease schemes offered by engine manufacturers. The operator simply leases the engines and pays for actual usage. If the engine goes kaput, the manufacturer takes it back and replaces it. No need to set up and maintain an in-house overhaul capability.