what is the source of Villar and Gibo's Wealth?

[raski]

and you have to study the hongkong, singaporean and scandinavian countries about their successful anti corruption programs.

just because it exists does not mean, we should tolerate it or even encourage it.

so what do you want pee wee, choose the corrupt as long as incompetent? naa diay na.

I don't know about Scandinavian countries, but Hong Kong and Singapore are prime examples of why businessmen should run government. Singapore is basically a corporate state, they have never had minimum wage or lifetime employment via regularization and they still continue not to have these two misinformed socialist notions. The Prime Minister of Singapore also has a hand in running one of the most successful country-held multinational company in the world in the name of Temasek Holdings which through Singtel even owns Globe Telecom in our own country. The leader in Hong Kong is called a Chief Executive and usually comes from the business community.

The statement that businessmen usually have their interests first again is symptomatic of the mentality of many of our people. Being self-interested and being evil are not one and the same, in fact self-interest is what drives most of the successful capitalist economies in the world forward. And again I decry the unfairness of the thought process that says most businessmen have their interest first, in an attempt to taint a particular candidate who happens to be a businessman with the same brush. And in any case, who isn't self interested? Surely the defense of Hacienda Luisita - that is front and center.. hmm I don't know self-interested?

[Tarmac]

I have no problem with businessmen bringing their expertise to government, but history tells us that businessmen have always put their interests ahead.

thaksin? danding? and a host of other politicians in this country.

Just because there are some businessmen who put their interests ahead doesn't mean all businessmen who ever set foot in government will. There are many successful and decent businessmen who have served in government.

Take former Finance Secretary Jimmy Ongpin, who couldn't take the palace infighting in the Cory government and put a gun to his head. Or NAPOCOR chair Ernie Aboitiz, who took the blame for the widespread brownouts in the early 90's (even though it was he who warned of shortfalls in generating capacity years before).

It's the same logic that goes dili ta anang mga bright kay si PGMA ug Marcos bright man.

[peewee_toot]

and you have to study the hongkong, singaporean and scandinavian countries about their successful anti corruption programs.

just because it exists does not mean, we should tolerate it or even encourage it.

so what do you want pee wee, choose the corrupt as long as incompetent? naa diay na.

hahaha. tan-awa ra gd ang kasagaran sa mga pinoys kng nka solve ba jd sila ani atong problema sa corruption. nagka grabe nmn gani. ky ngano? naa ra mn sd gd na sa mga tao.

hahaiz. nawad-an na kog gana ani atong nasud. we are indeed rich but ang mga tao? ayaw nlng...

maskin kinsa imong butaran, wala gihapoy kwenta ang pinas. hahaiz. sad but true.

[dcr15]

Take former Finance Secretary Jimmy Ongpin, who couldn't take the palace infighting in the Cory government and put a gun to his head.

let me get this straight, you are blaming Cory for the guy's suicide?

[Tarmac]

let me get this straight, you are blaming Cory for the guy's suicide?

Read again. I said it was because he couldn't take the palace infighting in the Cory government.

Objection overruled.

[peewee_toot]

let me get this straight, you are blaming Cory for the guy's suicide?

grabe nmn pd og c cory pa jd ang i-blame kng why ngsuicide ang usa ka tao. that's his personal decision nmn.

just like... c gibo ang blame kng why naay massacre sa maguindanao. personal decision nmn intawn to sa mga ampatuan oi...

wa na ko kasabot ninyu...

[prodigal_son321]

idol Gibo!...

[knickerbocker888]

Get Real
Awesome (claims)


By Solita Collas-Monsod
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 00:18:00 03/27/2010

Filed Under: Politics, Government, Elections


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AN ORGANIZATION I BELONG TO, THE Movement for Good Governance (MGG), has, as one of its objectives, raising the level of discussion and quality of information during the election campaign, so that the information that voters obtain on candidates are not just those provided by the candidates themselves (which are naturally going to be self-serving) but have been subjected to scrutiny for either feasibility (as in their platforms, which require the assessment of experts) or authenticity (in regard to their claims, which require investigation and drudgework). That way, the voter will be in a much better position to choose their leaders for the next three or six years.
Manny Pangilinan's TV5 has picked up on MGG's work and will jointly sponsor a five-part special series that will in effect showcase the results of this scrutiny. And since Sen. Manny Villar's TV and radio ads far outnumber the ads of his opponents, they provide much more grist for an investigator/evaluator's mill.
Take the ad, for example, which roughly translated goes something like this: "Have you experienced sleeping on a short bench in the market? Or the death of a brother because you had no [COLOR=blue! important][COLOR=blue! important]money[/COLOR][/COLOR] for medicine/proper health care, so you were helpless? Well, I, too, have experienced all that. Which is why, when God blessed me with a good life, it became my vow to help those who have nothing. If I really wanted to get richer, I would just go back to being a businessman. If I could get out of poverty, I can also do it for you. This is my vow: to end poverty." The TV ads are highlighted by a 1962 picture of the young Manny and his younger brother Danny-the year that Danny died-as well as a Villar family picture.
The message being conveyed is simple and powerful: he was dirt poor, but God got him out of poverty; and he has vowed to do the same for others. And he is sincere: he is not running for president to [COLOR=blue! important][COLOR=blue! important]make [COLOR=blue! important]money[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]-because if he only wanted to get richer, all he needed to do was go back to being a businessman. It is indeed a great ad. One viewer's reaction was: Awesome.
Awesome, indeed. Because documents sent to me turn those assertions on their head, so that the only thing accurate about the ad may be the family pictures.
First there is the matter of the copy of a death certificate of Daniel Bamba Villar indicated as issued by the NSO. According to that document, Daniel Bamba Villar, son of Manuel Villar and Curita Bamba, address xx (number illegible) Bernardo Street, North Balut, Navotas, died at the Far Eastern University Hospital on Oct. 13, 1962, at the age of three years and eight months, of cardio-respiratory failure due to leukemia (there is something about red cells, but the writing again is illegible), after a 13-day hospital stay. In the space for informant, the signatory is Manuel Villar, father.
Now, that Daniel Villar was brought to a private hospital-FEUH had the same reputation then as Makati Medical or Manila Doctors or St Luke's would have now-rather than, say, a government hospital like the Philippine General Hospital, or San Lazaro, does not necessarily disprove the Villar ad contention that his family was poor. It is not unusual for families, however poor, to do what is necessary in order to secure the best care for their children, and damn the consequences. That it was Funeraria Paz (one of the two top funeral parlors at that time), as indicated on the same death certificate, that took care of the funeral arrangements, again does not necessarily contradict the "I was poor" contention, for the same reason.
But then, Villar does not just say in the ad that his family was poor. He said his brother died because there was no money for medicine or medical care. That appears to be clearly contradicted by the certificate.
Moreover, there is the matter of the address provided by Villar senior: apparently, from pictures and on-site investigation, Bernardo Street in North Balut is part of San Rafael Village, a gated community, equivalent at that time to FilAm Homes in Quezon City. A copy of the Transfer Certificate of Title for the property-which is a 560-square-meter lot-has also been provided. Now anyone who can afford to buy a 560-square-meter lot (the TCT shows that Villar senior borrowed P16,000 from the GSIS for the release of the title-which at current prices is roughly equivalent to P1.266 million) is not exactly consistent with being dirt poor.
Finally, there is the matter of Senator Villar's assertion that if he just wanted to get richer, all he needed to do was get back to being a businessman. Again, the documentary evidence: his Statement of Assets, Liabilities, and Net Worth (SALN) for 1992-the first year he joined government as a congressman-showed that his net worth was P75 million. After nine years of being a congressman, and eight years of being a senator, his most recent SALN (200 shows a net worth of P1.047 billion. Being in public office surely has paid off for him.

[dcr15]

It may be used as basis for evidence in a criminal proceeding, but name a single case that has ever been brought to courts, much less lead to a conviction on the basis of misdeclared SALN! It is because no such case has ever been brought forward or even come close to succeeding that all the candidates.

Maj Garcia isn't convicted yet as far as I'm concerned and the basis of his arrest is that he was caught bringing money in that defies his lifestyle check. It is not because he lied on his SALN.

so raski, what where you saying that no case has ever been brought forward. much less lead to a conviction.

wow. and now, your requirement is dapat conviction in a criminal proceeding.

no wonder you have been muted before. well adjusted and awash with cash diay ka? ok.

[mayemaye]

so raski, what where you saying that no case has ever been brought forward. much less lead to a conviction.

wow. and now, your requirement is dapat conviction in a criminal proceeding.

no wonder you have been muted before. well adjusted and awash with cash diay ka? ok.

Raski must be trying for a way out now. He is now asking for criminal conviction instead as his contention before that no case has ever been brought forward much less lead to a conviction was refuted irreversably. Exit this way ---->